Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Great vid, diverse themes, great stuff indeed. BUT please match the volume of your voices, this is terrible to listen to.

Great vid, diverse themes, great stuff indeed. BUT please match the volume of your voices, this is terrible to listen to.

i'm not sure how this is done... i'll try to get with rob or someone to see why this is an issue.

Thanks for watching.

Aaron

Just noticed this was categorized under limit. I confuse it with Part Deux sometimes too . Looking forward to it.

i'm not sure how this is done... i'll try to get with rob or someone to see why this is an issue.

Thanks for watching.

Aaron

I'll see what I can do -- if it was recorded in stereo I can do some magic pretty easily, otherwise I have to run a compressor on it which can cause it to sound even worse. Have to go pick the car up but I'll download it and see if there's any potential nina voodoo to be had here.

Edit: I downloaded it and am going to try to run a compressor on it (a compressor makes loud parts quieter and quieter parts a bit louder, but can really mess with the quality of audio overall sometimes as compressing something too much gives it a "wavy" sound).

If it sounds significantly better I will reproduce and reupload, but this isn't going to be as simple as just clicking a button to normalize the audio levels or anything like that -- dynamically readjusting loud parts to fit with quiet parts is something that is more black art than science.

Rob

Best one in the series so far imo, the AA top set on monotone and turning it into a bluff is gold.

love this format with prerecorded vid!

Hi guys! Best one in the series, well i agree..Really great vid. Looking forward to the last one. I've picked up few things in this vid that are gonna make me adjust my current style a little. Soon gonna raid the 100nl ftp games, so watch out SYD!

holla

Great vid, diverse themes, great stuff indeed. BUT please match the volume of your voices, this is terrible to listen to.

K, I re-did the audio for the entire video -- it wasn't easy but I think it sounds a lot better now. I'll work with Aaron to make it easier for us to do this in the future so it only requires minimal ninjaing.

Rob

Mega props for a great session, Alex. At 37 min with KJon the T3A flop, are we too deep to push here? We have 12 outs to the nuts, yielding 45% equity by the river. Why don't we go for fold equity and take away the pot?

At ~11:20.. I'd not put too much weight on 3bet stats after under 200 hands, since the percentage will double after just one more 3bets, etc. The fold might've still been good, though.

Great video, made me realize how having a coach could be a good thing. Also liked the point about betting 44 on the AA10 board, I think I've fallen too much into the "no worse hands call mode" sometimes with hands like 44 on that board without realizing I really can't call any bets on the turn or river.

just quick side track on aat, even if no worse hands fold, qj/kq type of hands that might fold to a bet have 50% equity against your 44 so if they fold its very good, altough since theyve got a gutter they might peel, this applies more in situation like aa8 where u have a pair below any board card(i.e. 44) then hand with 2 overs to the 8 has like 37% equity against u so just betting to protect is worth it

Nice video (nice series!). A few questions:

What is the expected winrate (more or less) for the way Syd plays at 100NL? How would he fare at 200NL and 400NL?

Nice video (nice series!). A few questions:

What is the expected winrate (more or less) for the way Syd plays at 100NL? How would he fare at 200NL and 400NL?

I think Syd will be a winning player definately at these stakes and even at 200/400NL. Problem is the game is getting so much tougher these days that the win rate you'd expect from playing like this should be around something like 4-5ptbb/100.

Ervery video I see him improve, very nice progression, especially your post flop play.

One thing to add you should not let people run you over, I mean I 3betted you a bunch and you just keep folding or calling and folding on the flop,
you would be a monster if you would throw in the occasional light 4bet against lagtags. Was not in the video btw.
See you on the tables

Mega props for a great session, Alex. At 37 min with KJon the T3A flop, are we too deep to push here? We have 12 outs to the nuts, yielding 45% equity by the river. Why don't we go for fold equity and take away the pot?

we could straight push and it likely would not be a mistake. I prefer a smaller raise though just because it looks less like a draw and is more balanced with how we'd play a set or big hands we want action on...plus a smaller raise, although has less fold equity, allows us to achieve our entire pot equity by checking the turn w/o putting our whole stack in.

At ~11:20.. I'd not put too much weight on 3bet stats after under 200 hands, since the percentage will double after just one more 3bets, etc. The fold might've still been good, though.

good point

just quick side track on aat, even if no worse hands fold, qj/kq type of hands that might fold to a bet have 50% equity against your 44 so if they fold its very good, altough since theyve got a gutter they might peel, this applies more in situation like aa8 where u have a pair below any board card(i.e. 44) then hand with 2 overs to the 8 has like 37% equity against u so just betting to protect is worth it

excellent. i really should have explained that better in the video.

Nice video (nice series!). A few questions:

What is the expected winrate (more or less) for the way Syd plays at 100NL? How would he fare at 200NL and 400NL?

winrate is not something that can be quantified this easily. so many things go into it, and so many hands are need to get a good sample, that after you've hit 300k hands or w/e your play on hand 299,999 is much better than your play on hand 1 that your winrate still isn't representative of future hands. plus the game dynamics change etc. i really should write an article about this sometime.

I like this format much better than live play you get time to talk about spots. And you gave him a pretty hard time with questions which was great. My favorite eposide of the series so far easy 5stars

you would be a monster if you would throw in the occasional light 4bet against lagtags.

Light 4 betting is not hugely +EV at 100nl and lower imo. No one folds on the flop so you have to hit it pretty hard with a marginal hand to make it worthwhile. The amount of times I have been burnt doing it is insane. The regs range is pretty tight for a 3-bet so they are not getting out of line with it. Another thing I feel is that the way people play against me is different now, as people want to make moves on me in case WoT is with me. So it makes 4 bet bluff more difficult as people are quite willing to make marginally call downs so they look good in the video. I think the last time someone folded a hand against me is the 1960's.....but I not complaining as means I can value town more!

And you gave him a pretty hard time with questions which was great.

I keep on telling Aaron off for this!

Are you going to do nl200 in this series? I feel there's a gap where there's plenty of nl50 & nl100 and then nl600 to nl1000 but nl200-nl400 are pretty few.

Also please more PokerStars.

The best video in this series imo. All the questions made this a better video. A+

Are you going to do nl200 in this series? I feel there's a gap where there's plenty of nl50 & nl100 and then nl600 to nl1000 but nl200-nl400 are pretty few.

Also please more PokerStars.

not in this series, but we're currently making plans for future seasons. stay tuned!

That last hand where u had Ad9d on a 864 rainbow where the BB called, isnt that a good spot to check behind and make a delayed cbet?Cause we have backdoorstraight and flushdraw and this board hits his range pretty hard.and we can make a delayed cbet if he checks again on any overcard except maybe a ten or a nine.

That last hand where u had Ad9d on a 864 rainbow where the BB called, isnt that a good spot to check behind and make a delayed cbet?Cause we have backdoorstraight and flushdraw and this board hits his range pretty hard.and we can make a delayed cbet if he checks again on any overcard except maybe a ten or a nine.

if we bet we can bluff

35' BL you have QThh and the board is 7964chch after you called his cbet IP. You didn't think about getting check/raised in that spot, are we snapfolding or snapcalling ?

Also, I don't mean to sound rude or offensive, but WhiteHeatSyd could you try and speak more seamlessly (I hope this makes sense) because i get the feeling you talk very fast and you repeat/correct your statements quite often which sometimes make you difficult to understand for the non native speaker that I am.

aprt from that little issue, vgj !

very next hand you have KJhh and again you flatcall IP preflop. WoT you said flatcalling wasn't a mistake but probably wasn't optimal since we had to try to take the pot down sometimes even if the flop doesn't come like we hoped. What's the optimal line then ? I guess 3betting ? What are your arguments for it ?

At 49:09 in the lower left hand table you pick up AQo UTG. The 16/13 in MP calls and everyone else folded, the flop comes down KT2r. I was wondering why you didn't make a cbet there?

This has been a great series and you both have improved my game immensely. Thanks.

At 49:09 in the lower left hand table you pick up AQo UTG. The 16/13 in MP calls and everyone else folded, the flop comes down KT2r. I was wondering why you didn't make a cbet there?

This has been a great series and you both have improved my game immensely. Thanks.

yea that sounds like an oversight. if we didnt mention anything about it in the video, we probably just overlooked it and alex clicked check w/o thinking

if we bet we can bluff

can u elaborate on this?don't really understand...i mean, yeah we bluff if we bet but have to fold if we get raised and alot of turncards can improve our hand for our backdoordraws and if he checks the turn again we can cbet anyway.

WoT I think you missed my 2 questions at the end of page 2

I cringed pretty bad at white's top set bet on the turn versus that bad tag. Eeeeeee.

The one board with ATTr vs the fish in position with 44 I think depends a lot on how the fish plays. If he's just going to let you check it down vs his KQ (which has a lot of equity anyways, abotu a coin flip) then I don't mind checking it down. Checking the turn brings u 1 more street closer to showdown afterall. However if he's just gunna check fold the flop with a bunch of king highs, some pocket pairs (maybe), and other shaninigan hands he has then I like betting more (as its profitable in a vacuum). But versus a guy who will check call that flop with kq and apply pressure later in the hand I definitely like playing more passive overall ont hat flop.

And 44 on Attr vs 44 on 678hh are two completely different hands as the second 1 has exactly 0 equity when called where the first 1 you can still have as much as 50% but may be forced to fold later on in the hand.

last note, in responseto well what if he bets every turn I'd obviously call the turn and fold the river. If he's just blindly firing both I can probably call down profitably too.

35' BL you have QThh and the board is 7964chch after you called his cbet IP. You didn't think about getting check/raised in that spot, are we snapfolding or snapcalling ?

this would be a good exercise for you to use what you've learned in my Mathematics of NL Hold'em series and bust out pokerstove and give the guy a range to checkraise and see if we have enough equity to bet/call. Keep in mind that he's playing pretty tight so far and that we'll be getting about 2:1 on our call if he check/shoves.

I've already done the poker stoving for what I think his range might be for check/shoving here but i'd like to see what you guys come up with. Honestly I think it's super super rare that we get checkraised on this turn from a tight player.

WoT

very next hand you have KJhh and again you flatcall IP preflop. WoT you said flatcalling wasn't a mistake but probably wasn't optimal since we had to try to take the pot down sometimes even if the flop doesn't come like we hoped. What's the optimal line then ? I guess 3betting ? What are your arguments for it ?

i never commented about preflop on this hand in the video. that said i'm fine with either option of flat calling or 3betting preflop, especially because the particular villain in this hand has such a high fold to 3bet% through our current sample. Our hand has a decent amount of value and only 1 guy behind us who is likely to squeeze so i'd probably prefer flat calling to 3betting in this particular instance.

i think what you might be referring to is the option of calling the flop vs raising the flop, which i prefer raising the flop for reasons stated in the vid.

Boy, Alex got grilled in this vid (watch out for those pocket 4's - I think that they're WoT's favorite hand...just kidding just kidding )

Anyway, here's my question re the discussion about AKo that Alex has on the button (around 7:10 min). WoT is asking Alex what he would do if he had KK in that spot and Alex said just call. Now this kind of thinking is very new to me because I always thought it was best to isolate and create a heads-up scenario when playing big hands (AK, AQ, QQ+) but WoT is suggesting that it may be more profitable just to call and let more people enter the pot?

1) Ideally, how many more people would you want to enter the pot? Since it started off between the CO and Alex (on the button), there is only the 2 blinds left. Would you be happy if both of them called?
2) Would you still want to call with your premium hands (say KK) if you were out of position, something like UTG+1 and the CO reraises and then the SB calls - would you still overcall there?
3) What would you do if you had something like QQ on the button and the CO raised - would you still advocate calling to have the blinds potentially also call and enter the pot (if you hadn't guessed already, I have enormous difficulty with playing QQ)

Thanks again, both Alex and WoT for taking the time to answer all these questions. It is much appreciated...

fischie, the main issue is that we're putting in half of our stack already... we're not getting away on any board putting in that much money so the real issue is just how do we maximize our return, and generally that's by not further discouraging action. so in all those situations outlined if we're putting in 50% of our stack preflop and there's still action behind us there's really no need to discourage action with the second nuts. let me quickly run through your questions specifically though:

1) yea i mean if we could get 4 way action preflop with KK i'd be pretty ecstatic. sure it reduces the # of times you'll win the entire pot but your ROI will be huge and you'll win more $ on average. try it out in poker stove and give the other guys various hands you think they might stick 50bb in with and see how our equity changes and see how our monies goes up and up the bigger the pot gets

2) with 50% of our stack in, it doesnt matter if we're in or out of position

3) yea i think i mentioned in the vid i would flat call QQ as well but certainly shoving to make it easier to play if an A or K hits is another viable option, but think of it this way, is anyone ever just flat calling AK behind you for 50% of their stack? They would pretty much always ship the rest in anyway so they dont have to worry about what to do if they dont hit an A or K, so when you have QQ are you really that afraid of an overcard? no one is ever overcalling with AQ or KQ with 50bb and if they do when you have QQ that's fine too because of your huge equity edge.

so the next logical question is how much stack would we have to get in preflop before we'd prefer flatting vs 3betting while still making the hand easy to play postflop (enough that we dont realy care what board hits). That would ultimately be a math problem that I'm not exactly sure how to solve but I suspect the answer would be around 30-35% of stacks, but it really just depends on what we think the guys behind us would do with something like AQ or TT.

fischie, the main issue is that we're putting in half of our stack already... we're not getting away on any board putting in that much money so the real issue is just how do we maximize our return, and generally that's by not further discouraging action. so in all those situations outlined if we're putting in 50% of our stack preflop and there's still action behind us there's really no need to discourage action with the second nuts. let me quickly run through your questions specifically though:

Oops...my bad. I thought that is was less than 50 percent of our stack. Understand reasoning now.

so the next logical question is how much stack would we have to get in preflop before we'd prefer flatting vs 3betting while still making the hand easy to play postflop (enough that we dont realy care what board hits). That would ultimately be a math problem that I'm not exactly sure how to solve but I suspect the answer would be around 30-35% of stacks, but it really just depends on what we think the guys behind us would do with something like AQ or TT.

Yes, this is what I was (trying to) get at. I'm assuming that stack sizes may also factor in a bit too as I would be more hesitant to just flat with bigger stacks behind me than if there were just stacks equal to mine or shorter. I got caught up in a similar situation in a live game, where I was the big blind with AKo and there was a straddler and 3 loose players behind me who all limped into the pot. The SB raised it up but not enough (I thought) for the lags to not be getting good odds to call if I just flat-called so I re-raised SB's raise and they all folded (even the SB who had the same hand I did). Turns out one of the lags behind me had TT so I guess it was a good play, but I got a lot of comments and criticism at the time for playing the way I did, and I always wondered if it would have been more profitable for me to just flat-call there.

with AK i would almost always prefer reraising to isolate because you can get people to fold hands that have 50% equity vs you. with QQ there's only 1 hand that has similar equity vs you and it's not folding regardless etc. with KK/AA you can see why it would be even better to keep hands like TT in... so i think your reraise with AK was a good play.

This is a really awesome informative episode! I loved the questions what would you do if turn was x card etc. I am grinding the 100NL too and found this episode very informative. It really creates a "thinking mentality", which you can apply to every situation!

Awesome!

K, I re-did the audio for the entire video -- it wasn't easy but I think it sounds a lot better now. I'll work with Aaron to make it easier for us to do this in the future so it only requires minimal ninjaing.

Rob

Just a quick note to say excellent job on the audio.

best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.

aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.

alex, great job man.

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

Thanks again

out of interests sake, what time (sydney local) are you playing in this video? also, what time are the normal live sessions with aaron taking place?

living in south africa, I am basically able to play between 2pm and 6pm US central time (9pm to 1am local GMT+2).

I am wondering if there are vastly different player types at different times of the day????

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

I haven't, but i am trying to change it at the moment so pm me if you want me to email you the files.

out of interests sake, what time (sydney local) are you playing in this video? also, what time are the normal live sessions with aaron taking place?

living in south africa, I am basically able to play between 2pm and 6pm US central time (9pm to 1am local GMT+2).

I am wondering if there are vastly different player types at different times of the day????

We tend to record the videos between 5-7 am in the morning, which is 8-10pm GMT. We don't have a set time when we do the live sessions but they tend to be at the weekends. I don't notice any difference with the players to be honest.

Best video in this series imho. (I'm still catching up and w00t see it's continued...)

Good discussion between alex and aaron & interesting spots which I struggle with and got clarity.

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Table 2
What would the correct play be if he would have check raised your turn bet(15) to around $60? So pot was $34 and he raises to $60, so pot is $95 + your call (35)...So you would be getting 2.71 to 1(26.9%), with 15 outs (flush+3 Aces + 3 Queens) so 30%. So its a good odds call, but is it better to stack off with a big raise?