Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by jk3a (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:08:48

I would like to talk a bit about his betsizing. He seems to be a thinking player and my experience is that those players are aware of their betsizes and stacksize. So when he makes this smallish bet on the turn, not really allowing himself to shove the river without overbetting, don't you sense any weakness because of that?

I mean, if he had KJ he would bet a few big blinds more to make sure that he can shove the river. I mean, he doesn't have to worry about his hand, so the only think he needs to think about is his turn betsize. So you can presume that his turnbetsize would be perfect for making a rivershove.

So when he bets too small and doesn't allow himself to easily shove the river without overbetting, can you use that to define his hand a bit more? The difficult thing is that his range isn't that big anymore after the flop check/raise so there aren't many hands left in his range anymore when you eliminate the hands he wants to shove the river with.

Or am I speculating too much here too use it as a valuable read?

PS: I love this serie!!

Well - 98dd makes sense. I felt pretty confident that the turn bet-size from this type of villian was rarely sets.

I would like to talk a bit about his betsizing. He seems to be a thinking player and my experience is that those players are aware of their betsizes and stacksize. So when he makes this smallish bet on the turn, not really allowing himself to shove the river without overbetting, don't you sense any weakness because of that?

I mean, if he had KJ he would bet a few big blinds more to make sure that he can shove the river. I mean, he doesn't have to worry about his hand, so the only think he needs to think about is his turn betsize. So you can presume that his turnbetsize would be perfect for making a rivershove.

So when he bets too small and doesn't allow himself to easily shove the river without overbetting, can you use that to define his hand a bit more? The difficult thing is that his range isn't that big anymore after the flop check/raise so there aren't many hands left in his range anymore when you eliminate the hands he wants to shove the river with.

Or am I speculating too much here too use it as a valuable read?

PS: I love this serie!!

Thanks!

The sizing simply discounts his value range some imo.

Well - 98dd makes sense. I felt pretty confident that the turn bet-size from this type of villian was rarely sets.

Concrete evidence that you were correct

Woah, you read my entire post. Nice.

On the A4s on the 643 hand i have to disagree with a call. Certainly there can be alot of air in villains range here. But if he is the type of guy to raise a low wet flop with air we are not getting to showdown profitable. Our hand is so face up as a bluffcatcher or draw. And he can pretty much represent the entire deck on the turn. If we think his range is weak enough for us to proceed id much rather 3B with the added bonus that we can fold out some of his equity.

Old Quiz: Boo-ya !

New Quiz: The easiest path is to establish our percieved range which is approximatly 99-JJ, AQ-AJ possible KQ and occasionally slowplayed QQ+ AK. Once we call the flop he knows we got showdown value.
His range consists of everything from air to weak made which he didnt think he could get value from on the turn. His strongest hand(Ignoring FPS slowplayed stuff) once he checks twice should be KQ heavily discounted for since 3 of the queens are accounted for.

So with our river bet we want him to spazz out or bluffcatch. With the crux that since we always got SD value we will only valuebet. Since i dont expect anyone to spazz out without a read ill ignore that possibility. And leave it at the fact that whatever betsize hes most likely to bluffcatch with should be the one we choose to make. Wheter that is a small blocker or a jam to make him twist his brain into thinking we turned AK into a bluff.

As I missed the first quiz due to there being 7 gazzillion replies already and I was sure someone else must have said he had exactly 98s before and I didn't want to be accused of copying....

Anyway that aside and now that I am ineligible I will happily embarrass myself first - for this one I think although villain's 3bet stat is high it is over a small sample and he is 3betting from the BB Vs UTG so his range here is still usually pretty strong - AQs, AK, TT+ maybe KQs, AJs.

He cbets 90% and obv will almost always cbet this flop anyway so that tells us little. His turn check narrows his range to something with showdown value that is check/calling TT/JJ type hands to hands that missed and are giving up - AK, maybe AJs. As we check back, our hand also looks like a JJ, TT, 99 type hand pot controlling and villain's stats would lead us to believe he knows this.

Once he checks the river his range is pretty weak so unless we know enough to expect him to bluff raise weak river bets then we should bet the maximum that TT/JJ can call, maybe around half pot OR we should overbet shove repping very little and hope he likes bluff catching hero calls....I kind of like the overbet shove but it doesn't work very often at 25NL or 50NL!

I really like the emphasis that you're putting on volume jk3a. Last month was the first month that I've put in significant volume and I felt like it did wonders for my game.

I used to play quite a bit of chess and while blitz can definitely improve your game, slow chess and studying is without a doubt the best way to improve rapidly. Also, it's no surprise that very good blitz players are also very strong slow chess players as well. It's obviously not a perfect analogy, since your hourly is a big consideration in poker, whereas in chess no one really cares if you able to win 50 games in an hour.

But along those lines something I've started doing is mixing in a few two table sessions with my 4-6 table sessions. I feel like these sessions as well as study really help to develop the pattern recognition and thought process that's important for the multitable sessions.

I guess my point is that for me it's hard to improve when I'm playing 4-6 tables all the time even though this is best for my hourly and bankroll, therefore it's important to backup sometimes and play a low volume session to focus on improving my winrate/thought process, which in turn makes future multitable sessions more profitable.

I think a reasonable PF range for him is TT+,KQ,AJ,AQ,AK, and maybe something like A7o as a bluff even though he doesn't have much of a bluffing range vs UTG. After he checks the turn and river I think we can pretty heavily discount KK-AA, so his most likely hands are TT,JJ,KQ,(maybe AQ that got scared, but I think AQ bets the river) and Ax that missed. I really like jamming here given the way we've played our hand it looks a lot like AK and i think it puts TT-JJ and any Qx he can have in a much tougher spot than like a 3/4 pot size bet. Also, we stack any weird slowplays, but I think you'll actually get looked up more often by TT-JJ and Qx here with a jam than when we bet smaller and look like we're actually value betting.

The 12% doesn't tell us much about his range in this situation. He might be pounding on late opens and just have a straight up value range in this situation.

Why would villain 3bet an UTG opener out of the BB with TT? How is he gonna react versus a 4bet? Even take QQ. Can he just stick it in if he gets 4bet with QQ? I don't think so.

Quiz:
When villain checks the turn, I think it's rather likely he has some sort of weak made hand or he has given up.

Our range is pretty strong for peeling the flop, we pretty much always have a pair. If he has a value hand, I see no reason for him to shut down on the turn. The 9 hits 99, so one set gets there, but in his eyes we pretty much have pairs here all the time. We might have QQ and slowplay, which would make sense, and we probably have a lot of QJs, KQs, AQs in our range as well. I think he has given up when he checks the river, and will have hands like maybe a weak Qx which he bluffed preflop, a 9x type hand and air (AK, AJ, AT whatever). Overpairs would probably go bananas on this flop, so I doubt he has those. I've seen some players cbet the flop here with hands like JJ just to shut down later on as well, so he miiiight have those.

The amount we should bet on the river, vs. a range which either is complete air or a weak made hand should be something like $12 - $16. I'd consider shoving, but without knowing anything about the metagame that has happened between Tom and the villain, I think I'd rather go for the smaller bet on the river. With this betsizing, I'm hoping to get a call from his weaker showdown hands. If he has trips with the 5, he's losing all his money anyways.

So, his range on the river is like weak showdown hands like pairs and ace high, although A high doesn't have a ton of showdown value, but it looks like it does. Maybe he has a hand like 65 from time to time, but 5x is shoving the river anyways so betting small is cool.

I don't really like shoving the river, because our range is pretty strong. We don't really have a ton of floats in our range and we can easily have a hand like AQ or 65 in our range given the price on the call preflop, and we can happily jam it in on the river because we know that his range is crushed by our range.

So again, I think the best betsize is like $12 - $16. I like the number $15 here. Weeeeeeeeeeeee. This post was shorter than the first one!

Edit:
Oh yeah, I think he's likely to 3bet suited connectors and stuff, which is why I say he can have 9x or 5x here.

The 12% 3Bet is irrelevant as UTG vs. BB is only going to be very strong hands. In case no one noticed Tecmo's stats on that table were in the 13/13 range. Villains range is AK, QQ+ here. Even AK and QQ are questionable.

Ok, So what does villain think a 13/13 is flatting UTG and calling a CBet with? The Nuts!!!!!!!!! Well, QQ, KK, AA

I say the best bet size on the river is a shove because villain is never calling but maybe he'll misclick. Seriously, villain checked twice, how is he going to call anything?

I don't think TT should be 3betting here, but lets just say I've seen it more once at 100NL.

Just on volume.
I really hope Tom takes it carefully.
You should not squeeze volume in at bad times.
As a self-declared - monkey tilter - more volume can lead to bad consequnces.
Make sure you are still fresh of mind and body when you play Tom.
No volume for volume sake.

Sorry if that is counter to your advice jk3a.

Just on volume.
I really hope Tom takes it carefully.
You should not squeeze volume in at bad times.
As a self-declared - monkey tilter - more volume can lead to bad consequnces.
Make sure you are still fresh of mind and body when you play Tom.
No volume for volume sake.

Sorry if that is counter to your advice jk3a.

Would have been really helpful to know this BEFORE last night. Thanks for telling me now Digger. Jerk.

jk I'm trying to guard against playing when tired and such, but I also have to get in volume when I can. Those two are currently battling and I'm still trying to find the sweet spot. Luckily I stopped before I did any serious damage to my roll last night.

Another good video, I've got some questions (and one answer but it went by PM) - I mainly used offsuit broadway to fill my IP 3betting range since I don't like to call with them and they are top of my folding range. You advocate calling with them in the video.
A part from keeping the fish in and strengthen my bluff catching rage vs barrel happy opponents on Kxx/Qxx boards I can't really think of the reasons why would I want to flat with them so can you elaborate on the topic - why do you want to have them in the calling range, and how would you play them post flop vs different openers if you miss?

So I hope I get 2 for one deal - I gave you 1 answer and posted a two part question

Quiz answer: Villain´s preflop-raising-range is pretty wide obviously, same goes for his flop-cbet (90% cbet). When Hero calls the flop the turn is a really bad barreling card for Villain which makes his turn-check not that big of a deal - neither with made hands nor with air. When Hero checked the turn behind and Villain checked the river again I think he actually mostly has a hand with some showdown value, like some pocket pair and occasionally a slowplayed monster. AK is no good anymore after Hero called the flop.

Against his monster-range we get it in on the river no matter what we do.

So we have to maximize our value against his mediocre part of his range. Say, we bet $15 and expect to get called in 100% from middle pairs. So a shove has to be called roughly 20% to show the same profit. As the flop was completely dry and AQ/KQ/JJ/TT-type hands is Hero´s most likely range there´s essentially no way for me that Villain (if he´s somewhat decent) ever calls a shove on the river even close to 20%, so my preferred bet size is something real small, like $15-$18, which might even induce some spazzy bluff-shove a non-zero percentage of his air-type hands.

Time Link to 00:16:35

AQs, what are you doing when he 4bets there? Are you shipping? Seems a bit light vs an unknown MP


Same quesetion for the 3bet with AJo vs BtN open at 15:48 , I've been kind of 3bet 'semibluffing' these kind of hands, so basically 3betting for value because I expect to get called a lot in btn vs blinds situations. Is this correct, or should you always 5bet ship here once you decide to 3bet for value?

AQs, what are you doing when he 4bets there? Are you shipping? Seems a bit light vs an unknown MP


Same quesetion for the 3bet with AJo vs BtN open at 15:48 , I've been kind of 3bet 'semibluffing' these kind of hands, so basically 3betting for value because I expect to get called a lot in btn vs blinds situations. Is this correct, or should you always 5bet ship here once you decide to 3bet for value?

With AJo, I'm 3b because I expect to get called by worse or take the pot down a large enough % of the time to make it profitable. Barring reads, I'm folding to a 4b.

ah ok kinda what I was talking about, but what about the AQs, same thing?

people have been telling me that calling might be better there, but I'm not sure anymore what is right now lol

I used to call these hands as a default OOP, later I started 3betting them with the same reasoning as you have, and now I started flatting again. Kinda confused.

ah ok kinda what I was talking about, but what about the AQs, same thing?

people have been telling me that calling might be better there, but I'm not sure anymore what is right now lol

I used to call these hands as a default OOP, later I started 3betting them with the same reasoning as you have, and now I started flatting again. Kinda confused.

As jk has said, your ability to play postflop will dictate your play preflop. If you struggle OOP w/out initiative, then it's likely better to 3b or fold. If you are wise in the ways of the OOP force, then calling can be better because it keeps his range wide, as well as your perceived range. A lot of this is villain dependent as well. Do you have a read that he cbets too much? That's an argument for calling. It's a bunch of things that you have to take into consideration.

ah ok, yeah I tend to get in trouble a lot in 3bet pots OOP so I've switched to only 3betting light in position for now or only when I know for sure he will fold a lot. But I'm still calling because I don't mind playing OOP with lets say AJo that much.

Quiz:

Preflop: 77+, AT+, A5s-A7s(ie some suited Ace stuff), KJs+, QcJc, 89s

Given the 3bet stat and VPIP/PFR, even v. an UTG raise, villain's 3betting more than just nut hands. With tecmo's stats (I don't see any 13/13 shaggy's talking about, I see 24/20), his UTG range has a fair amount of hands that will fold to a 3bet.

Flop: 77+, ATs, AJ+, A5s, A6s(ie some suited Ace stuff), KQ, QcJc, 89s

He cbets 90%. I tossed ATo, A7s, KJs and kept my SC representative. Very dry board so he probably figures to pick it up a lot vs. what looks like a mid pair or Ace-big. He could be discounting AQ from our range since one flopped. Based on his bet size, if he's not bluffing he's looking for value from a smaller pair than his own.

Turn: 77+, AQ, ~A5s, KQ, QcJc

He barrels any bluffs he wants to continue with, so he's got a value hand or gave up. He's got to partially at least discount the big Aces from tecmo's hands, but again, he barrels if he's trying to fold those out. So he has some value to showdown. A5s probably isn't in his range much, but it reps the Ace rag that caught a piece, so discounted but there. If he has a PP, he's showdown bound if he can help it, hoping it's bigger than tecmo's. Tecmo has shown an interest in the pot, so if villain's got a set of 9s, TP or JJ, TT, he's happy to induce a smaller PP or spazz from AK.

River: 77+, AQ, ~A5s, KQ, QcJc

Nothing happened on the turn, so same range. 7s and 8s are giving up probably even to a half pot bet. 9s full is obv. stacking off. AQ is calling almost always, and KQ calls a fair amount. QcJc calls some, let's say 50%. So we've got 3 combos of AQ, 3 for KQ, one half for QcJc, 3 combos of 99, one half for A5s, and 6 JJ and 6 TT. So 10 combos that will pay, say $36. Let's say half the JJ bluff catch, so another 3 combos for $36. That leaves half the JJ, TT, and half the 88 that will call, say $24 to bluff catch. Assuming all of the hands that call $35 would also call $24 (obv.), and 99 stacks no matter what, and AQ may spazz shove, and he might have exactly As5s that stacks, I say:

Bet $22-24

Quiz answer:

Since we're UTG, villain's 3bet range is probably narrower and weighted towards value. Let's arbitrarily say it is 88+, AJ+, KQ, and all cbet the flop.

If we jam, we get $77 from three combos of 99, twelve combos of overpairs, four combos of AQ and four combos of KQ. Actually, the combo numbers are immaterial, as all of this will checkraise a smaller river bet anyway. Jamming is clearly suboptimal.

I like betting about 35 here. Less looks like thin value.

With tecmo's stats (I don't see any 13/13 shaggy's talking about, I see 24/20),

Look at the actual stats on the table he is playing the hand at, not the replayer.

Look at the actual stats on the table he is playing the hand at, not the replayer.

Ah, thanks.


I also noticed I left out AA and KK in my river combo counting, which changes my answer. Dammit.

Another good video, I've got some questions (and one answer but it went by PM) - I mainly used offsuit broadway to fill my IP 3betting range since I don't like to call with them and they are top of my folding range. You advocate calling with them in the video.
A part from keeping the fish in and strengthen my bluff catching rage vs barrel happy opponents on Kxx/Qxx boards I can't really think of the reasons why would I want to flat with them so can you elaborate on the topic - why do you want to have them in the calling range, and how would you play them post flop vs different openers if you miss?

So I hope I get 2 for one deal - I gave you 1 answer and posted a two part question

which specific hands are you talking about?

Time Link to 00:04:24

Tecmo has the K of diamonds, so that hand is not possible.

I really enjoy the ability of jk3a to explain things simply in spot where I am not sure what to do

Quiz Answer:

I think making a bet of something like $15-20 is going to be best. Reason being is that villains range isnt very strong at all here after checking to us twice after 3betting and firing a cbet. I think the only way we can get value from our hand is to get villain to herocall a small bet with a hand like TT or JJ, maybe KQs; or get villain to spazz bluff vs our small bet with his AK,AJ. If villain had AA or KK i would expect him to barrel since the board is very dry so it comes down to how to extract the most vs his very weak range. And thats by getting a herocall/making villain spazz bluff.

Around 6mins at the start when you guys are talking about the KQ hand. I felt like you guys were making too many assumptions about how a guy you only have a 100 hands on is playing postflop. Some guys are nitty preflop and postflop, but then some nits just go nuts postflop. I'd be pretty surprised to see anyone just flat the nut flush draw in that spot.

Quiz I think something like $15ish is probably best and hope he just makes some bad call w/ Ahigh which is the majority of his range. Or decides to turn something into a bluff.

Quiz answer:

Since it's bb vs a tightish utg, villain's range is pretty much only JJ+ and AK, with a slight amount of air and possibly TT. Flop is still 100% of his range. Since he checked both turn and riv we can completely discount AA-KK (and AsKs) since he would have gone for value on at least one of those streets. So his river range is exclusively JJ, some TT, AK, and a small bit of air. He'll never have a monster here. Our turn check may make our perceived range slightly weaker, but he could assume that we might pot control KQ/AQ vs his potential KK+, so our perceived range is still somewhat strong.

This is a spot where it's going to be hard to make any money no matter what. Some advocate an overbet to rep a bluff and induce a call from JJ/AK. However, we will almost never show up with total air here, so a bluff is just not credible. I'd bet $10 here. Sure it's unbalanced, but it will get calls from JJ/TT and even AK a fair amount. 10 BB is nothing to sneeze at, and lightning may strike 0.1% of the time when he c/r AA-KK or goes nuts with a river c/r bluff.

BTW, while i don't think the turn c/bh is terrible, i much prefer a turn bet. A lot of players are paranoid about floats in 3-bet pots, and repping a float is the best way to stack KK+, AsKs, or get a call from JJ. If he has air, well, there's just not much he can catch up with except an A or a J, and most players would not go bet-check-bet on a bluff. A turn bet looks so damn floaty, and there's no way he's c/folding an overpair.

Quiz: Pot bet river, polarize your range here to nuts and nothing. He will more likely put you on nothing and hero call when you pot bet river than when you valuebet 1/2 pot

Quiz answer is villan dependent. Vs someone that I have read on who is hero call happy its a shove on the river. Vs unknown guy in this case I would bet something like 5BB and hope to get a curiosity call from the villan. You rep almost no bluffs in your range when you bet the river since all your floats would likely bet the turn and try to take it down. Your line only rep a thin value bet such as TT, JJ. Villan obviously has a very weak hand and shouldn't call any bigger bet since the good bluff catchers in his range like JJ,TT would likely not cbet the flop.

I think its better to bet the turn and rep a float in this case since you can get aggressive LAGs to shove over your turn bet if he turned some backdoor equity.

Nice vid again.

Quiz
Following the action prior to our riverbet I would say the villians range is tilted towards AK, JJ, TT, with a possibility of a very strange play with 99. He probably puts us on some kind of showdown hand, like AQ, KQ or a float with JJ, TT. If we show some kind of weakness in our bet on river, we might induce a spazz with AK, and probably a call from JJ and TT. I therefore would bet about 18-20, giving him room to shove over.

Answer to quiz: We open UTG and call a 3 bet from the BB. Our perceived range should be fairly strong here, consisting a lot of medium to high pocket pairs (88+), strong suited connectors (89s-kqs), slowplayed big pairs (JJ-AA), and sometimes AK or AQ/AJs.

Once we call his flop bet on Q35r, our perceived range is all our made hands that could bluffcatch (all pairs less than Q), any hand that has a pair of Q or better (overpairs, set of QQQ), and occasionally a float, however, because of the nature of the board, namely, two low sort of dangly cards that can't connect to any reasonable calling range we could have, most of our "floats" are more of value calls with hands like AQ/AK, and our only pure floats might be hands like TJs with both backdoor straight draw and backdoor flush draw (a very minor point, as this is such a small part of our range).

When he checks the turn, his value hands can be discounted somewhat, because the majority of our range will check back the turn (not strong enough to value bet), but it can't be discounted completely, because we do have some floats/might bet some hands for thin value/protection, etc.. When we check back the turn, our range leans heavily towards made hands that will often win at showdown but can't value bet the turn (so overpair hands are discounted somewhat, as well as pure floats can also be discounted, however, if a pure float picked up a draw on the turn, it would be more likely to check back the turn so as to not get check raised off its equity and be able to gain more information by the river as well as to rep a wider/thinner value range if checked to on the river. However, like I mentioned, floats are a very small part of our perceived range, and almost all our range is made up of weakish made hands that are likely to be good at showdown but can't bet for value (as weak as 88 or AJ, and as strong as QK).

Once he checks the river, we have to assume he has a hand that can't value bet the river, since he has no reason to expect us to be that river (no draws existed on the flop that could have missed, we likely dont have a hand we will try to value bet thinly, etc.). Most of his hand range by the river is air, although sometimes it will be air that has some showdown value, with a hand like AK.

The problem with us betting is that we can't represent air very easily, and, if we represent a value hand like a Q with a standard bet, he should be folding almost every hand in his range. To get any sort of a call, we have to represent either a thin value bet that might cause him to spazz-out and raise, or a hand of our own that we are turning into a bluff trying to get him off of a hand like JJ or TT. I don't believe an overbet shove is likely to be called at all, because it looks exactly like we slowplayed a set of QQ or have AA and got tricky on the turn, or we had an unlikely hand like 56s or a5s that tripped up on the river. It is simply too unlikely of a line to take with a hand that was going for thin value or was turning itself into a bluff to call that flop, check back turn, and overbet shove the river (the reason it is unlikely is that, if we had a hand like AJ that wanted to turn its marginal showdown value into a bluff on that river, there would be no need to represent the very top of our range with an overbet, because he likely cannot beat ANY hand that will value bet, so it makes more sense to rep a wider, and thus more credible value range, with a normal sized bet). Because of this, I think a very small bet work work best (1/3 of the pot or so), representing a hand like QJ or JJ going for thin value, and possibly allowing him to shove over, representing an overpair played tricky, or not even caring about what he is representing and shoving anyway. For what it's worth, I dont think ANY bet is likely to get action on this river, and I think the vast majority of the time he will just be folding. But, I feel that this is our best chance to make any extra money.

Hi first of all i want to say that this series is very good. Thank u for the vids. Now the answer:

preflop:
in villians range with 29/25 and 12% 3b i think he could have pairs 66+, A10+, KQs, AQ. Somethimes like Axs or some suited connecters,
flop:
villian will nearly 90%+ conti bet here.
When tecmo called the cbet, phil could give him some hands with showdown value like 1010, JJ, AQ,KQ, some floats or strong hands.

Turn: after the 9 and villians check, i think this could be for some reasons:
-cr with KK,AA maybe AQ (well we have to discount AQ hand there are only 3combos) or sets
-weaker hands like small/middle pairs
-even a bluff he want to give up.

But i think that villian would bet KK+ or a set. So this looks like a pair 66,77,88,1010,JJ or a give up hand (99 would be nice for a cr here if he saws tecmo in a few hand call flop / bet turn after a check)

River
After tecmo check back the turn and villian checks the river. I do not think that villian has a set or a valuehand here. I would prefer that he has air or even some smaller pairs like 66,77,88,1010,JJ.

Betsize
We have two options here: shove to polarize or small to induce or to get a call

Well there is not a draw that busted so with AK,JJ,1010 i dont think that villians maybe thinks: "okay i have AK,JJ,1010 here. he could have a busted fd so lets make a herocall"
And for that reason i do not prefer a big bet. i would like a small bet from tecmo lets say like 16-19. Thats for three reasons:

-If villian really has a strong hand like 99, AA KK (i dont really think he dos) he would shove
-If villian had like 1010,JJ he could call
-and maybe somethimes (depends on the river af) he shove his air as a pure bluff to get hero out of hands like 1010,JJ KQ

Quiz:
Effective stacks 103bb
UTG 24/20 Tag
BB 29/25 3b 12 Cb 90
3bet pot
3Q5 rainbow Turn 9 river 5

PF Ranging
Hero PFR : ~ 22+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,AQo+,KQo
Villians 3bet OOP out of Blinds value range : JJ+,AQs+,AKo
Villians 3bet Bluff range :55-22,T9s,98s,87s
Heros 3bet Call range:77+,AQs+,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,AKo

Note on PF:
(1) 120 sample size is too small for converged 3bet stat. Indeed we may not have seen him 3bet out of blinds vs non steal range let alone UTG vs Reg.
(a) Given it is 100NL
(b) Given it is vs UTG range
(c) Given no showdown information indicating a bluff 3-bet range in this spot
(d)No read or dynamic suggesting bluff range.
Conclusion: Its possible that he has some randomised bluff. Its possible that he 3-bets wider than ascribed but I think most likely he is only doing this for value and a very tight range of JJ+AK as most likely range.
2. Hero's percieved flat calling range: Is likely to be perceived as capped but nonetheless villian can easily assume that at least some of the time Hero might flat KK+ AK with some frequency. Finally - Hero is showing a F3 of 51 and is in position so Villian may or may not know that Hero likely see flops alot to 3B IP.

Flop: 3Q5 rainbow

Comment:
Villian has a 90% c-bet (albeit small sample)
Dry Board
3bet pot
We should assume that villian will c-bet this board all the time.
Given it is a 3-bet pot and UTG vsBB and a dry board where we cannot represent much if we either raise or float.
Our range becomes composed mostly if not exclusively strong value and bluff catchers. We would need more image/reads or dynamic to believe that our perceived range has alot of floats on this board.

Turn: Once he checks I think villian is pot controlling the bottom of his value range and is likely turning them into bluff catchers. I am unsure whether his AA type holdings would be checking the turn with a view to c/r or to get two sts by b/c/b rather than b/b/c.
River: Once he gets a bricked pairing river - I think of the times he has an overpair and went for either a turn c/r or a b/c/b line that I would expect that he would be bet/folding or bet/calling the river as I do not think any 5x is in your perceived hand range thus villians relative hand strength is unchanged by the board pair except that it makes it less likely you now have a set.

My conclusion:
- His range is now either giving up or is bluff catching. I think of the times he has bluff 3bet range PF he would have probably continued with aggression on the turn. But we heavily discounted that for reasons stated above.
- I think his bluff catching range should actually c/f here. But do I expect 100NL LAGgy type players to always give up. No I think they prolly still call too much.
- I also think that he is likely to be aware that his range now is not strong.

Which leads me to believe that we should not look like our bet is strong value mainly because even though we can place a polarising bet-size - we just do not have that many floats to begin with on Q53r.
I also think that we prolly can expect to bet JJ-77 here for value.
So given that I think his PF range is strong AND A the same time __>
Given that I think he will not mind bluff catching the bottom of his range with a high frequency as a 100NLer.

I would price my bet to look like a thin value bet.( Baluga called this quasi thin-value bet where we have the board so crushed that even though we have a monster there as so few hands that can call us - its effectively thin value although we hold the nuts).
$20-$25 dollars Would be my price to bluff catch for villian.

Final thought - if he wants to spazz c/rai the river I think $20 gives him the illusion of FE - Although I heavily discount him doing it.

Hope that is a better effort

Would have been really helpful to know this BEFORE last night. Thanks for telling me now Digger. Jerk.

jk I'm trying to guard against playing when tired and such, but I also have to get in volume when I can. Those two are currently battling and I'm still trying to find the sweet spot. Luckily I stopped before I did any serious damage to my roll last night.

Just speaking from experience thats all.
Significant change in no. of tables and combined with increased times playing or longer session can be a recipe for disaster.

I would also state that I think very successful mass-tablers like nanonoko are outliers.
I am not sure if I actually heard him say this or w/e
But I would be very suprised if he did not have a childhood heavily biased towards video gaming where conditioned training of hand/eye skillsets as well as pattern recognition is likely to have taken place.
If you were to theoretically hothouse a child to becoming an elite mass-tabler, alongside training in maths, getting them to play tonnes of video games would be a great place to start.

Sorry for thread Hijack

Time Link to 00:36:25

Great example of using PokerStove to analyze a hand-situation!
Would like to see more of this. THANKS!

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QUIZ (homework)
answer to be given in next episode.

I like these little quizzes.
Thanks!

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You recommend cbet w/ KT on low boards. Do you barrel low turn cards and chk back river? Barrel high cards and barrel river?

If you were to theoretically hothouse a child to becoming an elite mass-tabler, alongside training in maths, getting them to play tonnes of video games would be a great place to start.

Damn - I think you just turned life for my little boy hell for the next 14 years - but then - Durrrrnono will be born (better you all will have stopped playing until then!!!).

You recommend cbet w/ KT on low boards. Do you barrel low turn cards and chk back river? Barrel high cards and barrel river?

how do you view a flop c/c range? how does the turn affect that range? what is his turn c/c range? how does the river card affect that range?

Quiz answer:

Let's start by giving villain a preflop range for 3-betting. Even though villain has 3-bet a lot, it's a smallish sample size, plus Tom raised UTG. I'd give villain a range of TT+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs, A8s, A7s, K9s. I'm guessing the 3-bet sample size is around 40 hands, enough to be slightly significant, hence TT, A8s, A7s, and K9s in the range to represent some more value hands and a few bluffs, respectively. If villain's stats didn't look so aggro, I'd guess most of his 3-bets are in position, even so I'm probably accounting for too many bluffs.

Next let's get Tom's calling range preflop. I doubt villain has seen Tom call a lot of 3-bets, plus UTG he has a stronger range - AJs+, AQo+, JJ, TT, sometimes AA, KK, or QQ, maybe 99 because the 3-bet size was smaller.

After Tom calls the flop, villain's range for checking both turn and river is JJ, TT, some combos of AK and AJ, maybe a couple rare combos of AQ/KQ, and maybe a couple combos of bluff hands. JJ and TT have showdown value but are really thin to bet. The turn isn't a great bluff card against Tom's range, so villain probably slows down with AK, AJ, and some air without a spade draw. AQ/KQ is way ahead/way behind, so it's possible villain checks twice hoping to induce. I really can't see villain checking turn and river with better than TP because Tom's hand looks so much like JJ or AQ and does not look like a monster.

So what to do against this range? We don't have any indication that villain thinks Tom can turn a made hand into a bluff or do the same himself - that rules out betting small to induce a raise. Then should we bet very large? Probably not because villain can't have a monster, and if he does he's check/raising us anyway. So I'll estimate percentages called by the following hands:

$Bet [12 combos JJ/TT] [16 combos A high] [4 combos AQ] [4 combos 9x] $Profit

$10 100% 80% 100% 85% $8.94
$20 95% 40% 100% 70% $13.67
$30 80% 10% 100% 60% $14.67
$40 60% 5% 100% 45% $15.33
$50 35% 0% 95% 30% $12.78
$60 20% 0% 90% 12% $10.8
$70 10% 0% 87% 7% $9.64
$77.65 10% 0% 85% 5% $10.35

Conclusion - bet about $40 to try to pick up value from villain's weak range.

Edit - sorry that the table is so hard to read.

Hey sweet card/ table mods where can I get them?

Also answer to quiz question I think the answer is to bet very small, between 15 and 25. The nature of the board means its very hard for us to rep a bluff if we bet big on the river. Lets say for talks sake if we peeled the flop with Ace high we are hardly going to suddenly turn our hand into a bluff on the river.

There are no missed draws so we can't rep one, however we can rep something like 88 that is trying to get thin value from AK if we bet very small. His range is capped out at something like JJ I think, overpairs and queens would bet the turn and/ or the river I think.

If we bet big our hand will look like a Q+ that checked back the turn for pot control and now knows that it is good. I would bet $20 to make sure that JJ/TT call I think if we bet big he is folding very close to 100% of the time.

Damn - I think you just turned life for my little boy hell for the next 14 years - but then - Durrrrnono will be born (better you all will have stopped playing until then!!!).

My long-winded quiz answer:
3Bet fo 12% is pretty damn wide and he seems laggy in general, so he could have a ton here. We did open from UTG though, so maybe we
can tighten up his 3bet range a bit. Even 6% is something like 88+,ATs+,KQs,AKo

His CB is 90% already, and with this dry board in a 3bet pot, he probably cbets 100% here, so that doesn't tell is much more about his range.
When he checks the turn,it makes me think he has either given up entirely, or has some marginal made
hand and wants to get to showdown. Checking the river after we checked back the turn makes me think
this even more. I think his range now is made up of complete air that was 3bet/folding and has now
just given up entirely, mid-pairs trying to get to showdown, and also some broadways that picked up a
flush or straight draw on the turn. My plan here would be to bet the amount that looks the most like a bluff!

We have 3 options:
1. make a small bet of $15 or so and hope to induce a shove.
Pros:
-if it works and he shoves, we win the max and also make him feel pwned!
-it will also give us hugely +EV life satisfaction!
-he may be in bluff-catch mode and decide to look us up since its only $15 more

Cons:
-We may lose value from bluff catchers that would have called a bit more
-If we were actually bluffing, would we really bet this small?

2. overbet shove
Pros:
-if it works, we win the max
-Our range looks pretty close to what we are putting him on, so he could very well think this is a bluff

Cons:
-Even if he does think we are bluffing, this is a hard call for a lot of people to make.

3. make what looks like a thin value bet of about $30
Pros:
-if he has a made hand, we are pretty likely to get looked up as we have under-repped our hand

Cons:
-if he is in bluff-catch mode, he might convince himself that this bet is begging for a call and decide to fold

Verdict:
I think I would have preferred to make a small bet of $25 on the turn so we have an easy river shove.
That said, the way this hand was played, I feel pretty strongly that he has either given up entirely and
won't call even a small bet anyway, or maybe a medium strength 1-pair hand that wants to see a cheap showdown.
I was initially tempted to shove and hope that he has something strong enough to call but I find that very unlikely given the action so far.
Given that this guy is pretty aggressive, I think our best plan is to go with option 1 and make a small
bet that hopefully induces a shove. I think he has very likely already given up and won't call any size bet,
but in the event has a bluff catcher, we get a little more value out of him this way. If he does think we are
bluffing or maybe trying to just squeeze some thin value out of a medium strength hand, he might just level
himself into shoving! I think this small bet allows us to get the most value from both ends of his possible range,
not to mention the pure satisfaction of completely pwning him if we can actually get him to shove!

Quiz hand:
The best bet size is a lil under a half pot bet, cuz he:
a)is more likely to call that size with a weak pair (TT,JJ,A3s,A9s etc.)
b)is more likely to bluff cuz it may seem bluffy or that youre valuebetting thin to him

Hope I'm not too late kinda forgot about this
Quiz answer

Villain has been 3betting a decent amount so far although over a pretty small sample size, but since he 3bet from the blinds vs an UTG range I think his range is mostly weighted towards value hands.

Maybe something like JJ+ AK, perhaps an occasional bluff but I think that if he decides to bluff against an UTG raiser he's probably going to do it more in postion than Out of position. So for now I put his range on mostly value hands.

Flop comes Qhigh he bets fairly big, then checks both the turn and river I think that's most of the time a sign of weakness, I think he will barrel KK and AA most of the time on the turn and if he doesnt he's most likely going to bet the river. So that leaves us with JJ and AK. I think to get the most calls out of that range you have to bet a bit on the smaller side here. Somehwere around 1/3pot I think will do the trick.

This betsize will accomplish two things. He either spite calls with JJ/ AK or when he does have AK he might consider it as weak, and spaz out by raising or even shipping here, because our hand looks a bit weaker once check back the turn. So when we bet this small now it looks like we're going for thin value or maybe a cheap steal.

Winners!

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TACKLEBERRY
TONIC1223
GML
LINKWOOD
MRTROCKS
POOLSWEEPER
JBINDC

Since there were lots of people that I felt had “great” answers, I felt like I had to be very nitty with those I gave credit to. Some of you had answers that were very close but did not win. A couple of the main reasons I didn’t give credit were as follows.

1. Too small or too big: I was really looking for something like 15-19. Those of you that had your answers 20+ will likely not have won.

2. Range wrong: Many of you assumed that villain’s range is very tight because it’s utg/bb and while that will certainly make his range tighter in general, it’s my opinion that it just discounts his air and doesn’t eliminate it.

If you have any specific questions about your own answer or yours was very similar to one of the winners and I might have missed it, please bring it to my attention. Also, please note that one or more of the winners’ answers may have been PMed to me.

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Quiz:
Effective stacks 103bb
UTG 24/20 Tag
BB 29/25 3b 12 Cb 90
3bet pot
3Q5 rainbow Turn 9 river 5

PF Ranging
Hero PFR : ~ 22+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,AQo+,KQo
Villians 3bet OOP out of Blinds value range : JJ+,AQs+,AKo
Villians 3bet Bluff range :55-22,T9s,98s,87s
Heros 3bet Call range:77+,AQs+,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,AKo

Note on PF:
(1) 120 sample size is too small for converged 3bet stat. Indeed we may not have seen him 3bet out of blinds vs non steal range let alone UTG vs Reg.
(a) Given it is 100NL
(b) Given it is vs UTG range
(c) Given no showdown information indicating a bluff 3-bet range in this spot
(d)No read or dynamic suggesting bluff range.
Conclusion: Its possible that he has some randomised bluff. Its possible that he 3-bets wider than ascribed but I think most likely he is only doing this for value and a very tight range of JJ+AK as most likely range.
2. Hero's percieved flat calling range: Is likely to be perceived as capped but nonetheless villian can easily assume that at least some of the time Hero might flat KK+ AK with some frequency. Finally - Hero is showing a F3 of 51 and is in position so Villian may or may not know that Hero likely see flops alot to 3B IP.

Flop: 3Q5 rainbow

Comment:
Villian has a 90% c-bet (albeit small sample)
Dry Board
3bet pot
We should assume that villian will c-bet this board all the time.
Given it is a 3-bet pot and UTG vsBB and a dry board where we cannot represent much if we either raise or float.
Our range becomes composed mostly if not exclusively strong value and bluff catchers. We would need more image/reads or dynamic to believe that our perceived range has alot of floats on this board.

Turn: Once he checks I think villian is pot controlling the bottom of his value range and is likely turning them into bluff catchers. I am unsure whether his AA type holdings would be checking the turn with a view to c/r or to get two sts by b/c/b rather than b/b/c.
River: Once he gets a bricked pairing river - I think of the times he has an overpair and went for either a turn c/r or a b/c/b line that I would expect that he would be bet/folding or bet/calling the river as I do not think any 5x is in your perceived hand range thus villians relative hand strength is unchanged by the board pair except that it makes it less likely you now have a set.

My conclusion:
- His range is now either giving up or is bluff catching. I think of the times he has bluff 3bet range PF he would have probably continued with aggression on the turn. But we heavily discounted that for reasons stated above.
- I think his bluff catching range should actually c/f here. But do I expect 100NL LAGgy type players to always give up. No I think they prolly still call too much.
- I also think that he is likely to be aware that his range now is not strong.

Which leads me to believe that we should not look like our bet is strong value mainly because even though we can place a polarising bet-size - we just do not have that many floats to begin with on Q53r.
I also think that we prolly can expect to bet JJ-77 here for value.
So given that I think his PF range is strong AND A the same time __>
Given that I think he will not mind bluff catching the bottom of his range with a high frequency as a 100NLer.

I would price my bet to look like a thin value bet.( Baluga called this quasi thin-value bet where we have the board so crushed that even though we have a monster there as so few hands that can call us - its effectively thin value although we hold the nuts).
$20-$25 dollars Would be my price to bluff catch for villian.

Final thought - if he wants to spazz c/rai the river I think $20 gives him the illusion of FE - Although I heavily discount him doing it.

Hope that is a better effort

Can you make any specific comments other a too large bet size - about if there was anything wrong with my range or thinking?
Do you think I am going about my hand review well or not?

On quiz hand Review of week 2: If we held JJ and the action was the same.
We bet $15 JJ and bet/call a river check shove?
Does that make JJ ~ Queens full?

Given most of his range is air and we have the top of our bluff catching range. And he never plays anything strong this way.

On quiz hand Review of week 2: If we held JJ and the action was the same.
We bet $15 JJ and bet/call a river check shove?
Does that make JJ ~ Queens full?

Given most of his range is air and we have the top of our bluff catching range. And he never plays anything strong this way.

I thought most of what you said was spot on and yes I like playing JJ in a similar way.

In the review hand Top full 3-bet pot:

If you were villian - leave to one side his c-bet size.

With the bottom of his value range - JJ- TT type hands vs a regular on a dry board.
On this particular brick turn - is there merit in betting the turn?
If not.
And we check and Tom checks behind.
On a board pairing river -
Do you prefer bet/fold, check/call or check/fold?
My thinking is when Tom checks behind on the turn - I think his air floats would tend to bet the turn.
So when turn gets checked through -
Tom's range is actually slowplayed monsters (e.g. what he actually has),
Pot controlling KQ or AQ on turn and hands with showdown value.
Thus I am torn between the merits of
(i)bet/folding turn
or
(2)bet/folding river.

Mainly because I feel like I can get brutally exploited if I hold JJ/TT if I only ever c-bet the flop - then give up if I am only ever contiuing with top pr +.
Because I think check/calling the river is really bad by villian if he checks - so its always a check/fold (classic check/fold theory all worse check or better bet). This is sort of qualified by the observation by the betsize? or Not? Is there a bet-size by Tom where we can check/call? What tendencies would a regular have for us to c/c? Does he have to be really thin value bettor or a player who is a very good hand reader and we have strong history with and we know he can turn made hands into bluffs?

Hope I am not asking too many questions.

Or is this the inherent problem of playing TT type hands OOP in 3-bet pots?
Cause you can only ever get PF thin value and One st post flop - and you are 2 sts away from showdown.

I hope you don't say villian should not c-bet flop or 3-bet TT.

utg/bb more inclined to c/f. btn/bb more inclined to b/f

With thin value range - And never bet turn?

With villians 3-bet bluff range.
Is this one and done, two sts flop and turn or empty the clip Tom can only call with a very few hands?

Or villian is an idiot dont have a bluff range vs UTG range out of blinds.

With thin value range - And never bet turn?

With villians 3-bet bluff range.
Is this one and done, two sts flop and turn or empty the clip Tom can only call with a very few hands?

generally too thin to bet flop and turn utg/bb.

typically not a great spot to 3barrel bluff, thin to two barrel bluff

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You seem to like 3betting deuces especially since the guy is a tight opener. I don't get this comment. Seems to me that, the tighter villain is, the happier we would be about setmining and, conversely, the looser villain is, the more we like either taking it down right there. Have I misinterpreted your explanation? Could you elaborate on this?

You seem to like 3betting deuces especially since the guy is a tight opener. I don't get this comment. Seems to me that, the tighter villain is, the happier we would be about setmining and, conversely, the looser villain is, the more we like either taking it down right there. Have I misinterpreted your explanation? Could you elaborate on this?

i said "tight opener" but what I meant was a tight player who steals with a decent frequency. most tags generally won't offer enough implied odds with their late position opening range to make calling best

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Wow, another great part - your series is honestly amazing - das that I found it so late^^

Ok, on topic:

I would only 3bet AQs in Blind vs. MP/UTG when an opponent has a leak bycalling too much 3bets.
Tge problem with 3betting AQs vs. someone ho opens from UTG/MP and is folding on average a decent amount to 3bets is, that he will exspecially in this spot not call usually worse handsl ikr KQ, KJs, AJ, ATs..., what he would more often do in Co/BTn vs. Blinds.

Reason for that is that almost nobody expect here a huge light 3bettingfrequency -> so he cannot call too light.

I prefer here more often a call.
What are your houghts on this?
Or why do you 3bet?
regards to mentioned reasoning it is not rly a 3bet for value vs. Villain`s Callingrange.

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definetly there are opponent vs. who you can 4betjam here hands like 77-TT, AJ, KQ maybe (huge Cardremovaleffect), small suited Aces...
But what you actually think here about calling IP the squeeze with AJ when the SB is someone who is in general squeezing a decent amount?
I mean, lot of ppl are squeezing with smaller AXo-hands b/c of cardremocaleeffect -> hence here you have maybe some good implieds.
Or is the problem with calling here the fact that you have less room in sqz. Pot b/c of he SPR to move unimproved, sometimes?

Wow, another great part - your series is honestly amazing - das that I found it so late^^

Ok, on topic:

I would only 3bet AQs in Blind vs. MP/UTG when an opponent has a leak bycalling too much 3bets.
Tge problem with 3betting AQs vs. someone ho opens from UTG/MP and is folding on average a decent amount to 3bets is, that he will exspecially in this spot not call usually worse handsl ikr KQ, KJs, AJ, ATs..., what he would more often do in Co/BTn vs. Blinds.

Reason for that is that almost nobody expect here a huge light 3bettingfrequency -> so he cannot call too light.

I prefer here more often a call.
What are your houghts on this?
Or why do you 3bet?
regards to mentioned reasoning it is not rly a 3bet for value vs. Villain`s Callingrange.

i too prefer calling unless guy doesn't fold to 3bets much

definetly there are opponent vs. who you can 4betjam here hands like 77-TT, AJ, KQ maybe (huge Cardremovaleffect), small suited Aces...
But what you actually think here about calling IP the squeeze with AJ when the SB is someone who is in general squeezing a decent amount?
I mean, lot of ppl are squeezing with smaller AXo-hands b/c of cardremocaleeffect -> hence here you have maybe some good implieds.
Or is the problem with calling here the fact that you have less room in sqz. Pot b/c of he SPR to move unimproved, sometimes?

i like flatting AJ had the co folded. jamming likely profitable too

thank you for answering

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the whole discussion about multitabling or not, is individual.


a.) There are ppl who are able to play their "near" A-Game by playing 8+ tables, and ppl who can only play 4 tables.
Furthermore the progress of being able to play more tables and even develop equal fast, needs regards to person X longer than to person Y.


b.) your targets: Tecmo made more or less a shortly pro-argument regards playing more tables b/c the hourly (not WR) could be higher.
Imo you never may forget the poker is like just many other business (sports, science, economics) dynamic and there is a pretty quick evolution going on.
When you onnly wanna play for instance for 1-2 years longer and then you wanna make something other, then grinding it out per masstabling on SSNL or MSNL is a good idea.
But when you wanna become better, play poker for longer and move up, then you have to constantly develop -> here you should rly play only so many tables as you can play by developing solid.

I personla play now 4 and since the nearest past sometimes 5 tables - it works.
6tables does at least for the moment not work for me.

tbh,
I think that for most ppl playing >6 tables with the assumption that their developing will not slow down, is just utopic.

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1st hand where I am very surprised byyour recommendation to peel once - fold most turns.
Even when you are right by saying that he has many bluffs in his raisinrange (which imo depends also on Tecmo`s cbetfrq. b/c a cbet on such a drawheavy board OOP in blindbattle looks not too weak), your range on the turn is perceived just capped and weak on the turn -> any somewhat thinking regular would imo almost never bet flop - and give you what you want by checking back the turn -> imo a decent reg would fire huge the turn and many rivers.
(not already mentioned that probably when he raise 2 OCs on the flop he wanna to have at least one spade -> more EQ vs. you).

For given reasons this is imo a B/F on the flop.

1st hand where I am very surprised byyour recommendation to peel once - fold most turns.
Even when you are right by saying that he has many bluffs in his raisinrange (which imo depends also on Tecmo`s cbetfrq. b/c a cbet on such a drawheavy board OOP in blindbattle looks not too weak), your range on the turn is perceived just capped and weak on the turn -> any somewhat thinking regular would imo almost never bet flop - and give you what you want by checking back the turn -> imo a decent reg would fire huge the turn and many rivers.
(not already mentioned that probably when he raise 2 OCs on the flop he wanna to have at least one spade -> more EQ vs. you).

For given reasons this is imo a B/F on the flop.

def a leak for you and others as well. people don't barrel near as much as they "should"

def a leak for you and others as well. people don't barrel near as much as they "should"

So does that make you more or less likely to empty the clip when you you c/r or raise a cbet with air/draws?

Do you think people should be firing multiple streets at say 50/100NL or do you think people just call too light?

So does that make you more or less likely to empty the clip when you you c/r or raise a cbet with air/draws?

Do you think people should be firing multiple streets at say 50/100NL or do you think people just call too light?

obv a complicated topic, but I'll say that I rarely raise and give up

def a leak for you and others as well. people don't barrel near as much as they "should"

Ok, I will try to remind this, at least vs. more weak REGs.

idk, I would barell here turn + lots of rivers to 100% - and I am not a superstar^^