Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by tubasteve (Micro/Small Stakes)

Just wanted to say I love these microlimit videos, and hope to see more of them.

I thought you played too tight in the last episode (I realize you were aiming at beginner players though), but I really loved this one. Keep 'em coming!

huh? QJs fold 8 mins in...huh?

very nice video,
for the 4th video, I would very much like a 50NL deep6 video

very nice video,
for the 4th video, I would very much like a 50NL deep6 video

+1

huh? QJs fold 8 mins in...huh?

yeah, playing OOP is bad. i seriously doubt calling the QJs is more than a very slight +EV play at best, and i had no reads on the guy's postflop tendencies so i wasnt about to start bluffing him when i miss, making a call fairly marginal IMO. as ive said in other videos, you cant just flatcall those hands OOP and play fit-or-fold; so still being relatively readless i decided to just muck.


Edit: Oh, and for those wondering I ran at like 26/22 with 14% 3-bet, LOL...

Edit: Oh, and for those wondering I ran at like 26/22 with 14% 3-bet, LOL...

Wow. I hope that is because you had a lot of hands PF. I think it would be really hard to be a long time winner at the 50NL 6max games on FTP playing that loose.

I'm really glad DC is doing some micro and hopefully SSNL videos. Watching 25/50 is very entertaining but watching the games I play in everyday is more valuable.

When do you plan to record the next one?

Great video Tuba. I've just recently made the move from 25NL to 50NL and was pretty surprised at the difference overall. I've had to tweak my play style pretty drastically, tho ironically that means playing less laggy than I was so profitably at 25NL.

It seems a mix at 50 where most of the regs are solid enough and playing laggy, but overall it seems to be generally more weak-passive than 25. Is this something you've noticed?

Also, I'm usually folding QJ there to an unknown opening 4bb, def more than calling, and never repopping w/o a read/good stats. I'd rather have 67s than QJs there if I'm going in the pot. So I agree 100% w/ your play and analysis there.

Wow. I hope that is because you had a lot of hands PF. I think it would be really hard to be a long time winner at the 50NL 6max games on FTP playing that loose.

I am having a hard time with this Those are nit pre-flop stats for limit. I guess I need more discipline if I am gonna play nl. I am playing too LAG even though i feel like a nit while doing it, lol.

Good video steve. I liked it a lot

V good video. Only one question, at 22mins in video, you got JJ UTG, get 3-bet by the BB and call, flop T55 with a fd and he checks. Dont we want to bet here and protect our hand against his very possible AK, there is already $12.60 in the pot, and if he actually has AK here are we going to get any more value on later streets anyway if we check? Were you planning to call him down both streets if A or K doesnt fall? I know we are almost never getting called by a worse hand if we bet, but I dont see us getting much more money in the pot later either unless he catches a card that beats us or has already us beaten.

V good video. Only one question, at 22mins in video, you got JJ UTG, get 3-bet by the BB and call, flop T55 with a fd and he checks. Dont we want to bet here and protect our hand against his very possible AK, there is already $12.60 in the pot, and if he actually has AK here are we going to get any more value on later streets anyway if we check? Were you planning to call him down both streets if A or K doesnt fall? I know we are almost never getting called by a worse hand if we bet, but I dont see us getting much more money in the pot later either unless he catches a card that beats us or has already us beaten.

well i think when he checks the flop he is either A) check/folding something like AK/AQ, B) pot controlling something like 99, or C) slowplaying a big pair. so by my estimation, betting MIGHT get value from the lower pairs, but not anything else. if we get crai we probably have to fold, so that sucks. if we check, most of the time the turn is gonna be a blank; if he has A or B, hes probably going to check again, usually folding A and usually calling B. So against those two parts of his range, i think we get the most by showing some flop weakness and letting him either bluff blank turns or c/c with his showdownable hands.

this line is better then betting the flop and checking the turn because that line can induce tough river decisions, as villains might bet it when we show turn weakness, esp if its a scare card. the flop check basically gives us information and allows us to get to showdown easily when playing for stacks is ill-advised.

Wow. I hope that is because you had a lot of hands PF. I think it would be really hard to be a long time winner at the 50NL 6max games on FTP playing that loose.

When do you plan to record the next one?

I have about a 10k hand sample at 50NL playing 24/20 with an 8ptbb/100 winrate, so I dunno if its sustainable but I've definitely been able to make it work. Also, as you'll see in the next video I didn't get that many hands; in fact if you'll notice the only hand that i take to showdown is the KK > QQ at the beginning of the vid!

And the next video is going to be a review of the two previous ones (including stat review), so probably just sometime before next Wednesday. The fourth video is still open to suggestions, but right now I'm thinking of either playing some deepstack tables or doing a coaching session with a member.

Wow. I hope that is because you had a lot of hands PF. I think it would be really hard to be a long time winner at the 50NL 6max games on FTP playing that loose.

I don't play the 50nl game, but this can't be right. Many people who play MSNL and higher play a style like that. If anything, playing at the lower stakes should allow you to be even looser than at higher stakes (more limpers to isolate, other players can't hand read as well, etc). I'm not saying it's necessary by any means, but I see no reason why a good player shouldn't be able to do very well at 50nl playing 24/20 pf. Obviously the 14% 3bet is too much though.

Just wanted to say I love these microlimit videos, and hope to see more of them.

I thought you played too tight in the last episode (I realize you were aiming at beginner players though), but I really loved this one. Keep 'em coming!

I'm really glad DC is doing some micro and hopefully SSNL videos. Watching 25/50 is very entertaining but watching the games I play in everyday is more valuable.

I've only had time to watch the first 20min of this video, going to re-watch tonight but wanted to add my appreciation for more micro/ssnl videos.

For the 4th video I'd also enjoy watching some NL25/NL50 deep tables (6max or FR).

I don't play the 50nl game, but this can't be right. Many people who play MSNL and higher play a style like that. If anything, playing at the lower stakes should allow you to be even looser than at higher stakes (more limpers to isolate, other players can't hand read as well, etc). I'm not saying it's necessary by any means, but I see no reason why a good player shouldn't be able to do very well at 50nl playing 24/20 pf. Obviously the 14% 3bet is too much though.

as someone who busted a 13k bankroll 6 months ago and tried in frustration to beat 50NL again playing my normal 24/20/4 style, let me tell you, it doesn't work. in the end i just bit the bullet and deposited a few grand that i had cashed out earlier rather than trying to grind up from $200 again at microstakes. but yeah, basically ppl don't fold so repping that turned A doesn't work nearly as well as at 1/2 where ppl hand read but don't realise ur repping that turned A. be one step ahead, not two.

to tuba, i just happened on this vid cos ive been going thru a phase of looking at various HUD layout styles trying to c wats best because ppl vary from super hud (tannenj on CR) to no hud. i noticed urs had a hectic hud going on so i thought id check it out. but yeah when i saw the QJs hand i thought this cant be right. even readless, this hand is good enuff to at least call. i appreciate that u r teaching beginners not to call oop which is invaluable advice but why not 3bet? u said u wanted to throw in some lightish 3bets and if ever there was a hand u could throw in as a speculative 3bet without being all that speculative itd be QJs. nething higher like KQs is an auto 3bet while T9s u begin needing some hand reading skills postflop which is prob a bit much for babysteps ep 2. but yeah my 2c.

You were talking about a thread on 2p2 about shortstackers but stopped mid-sentence... Was interested in hearing the rest of that...

You were talking about a thread on 2p2 about shortstackers but stopped mid-sentence... Was interested in hearing the rest of that...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=222535

as someone who busted a 13k bankroll 6 months ago and tried in frustration to beat 50NL again playing my normal 24/20/4 style, let me tell you, it doesn't work. in the end i just bit the bullet and deposited a few grand that i had cashed out earlier rather than trying to grind up from $200 again at microstakes. but yeah, basically ppl don't fold so repping that turned A doesn't work nearly as well as at 1/2 where ppl hand read but don't realise ur repping that turned A. be one step ahead, not two.

to tuba, i just happened on this vid cos ive been going thru a phase of looking at various HUD layout styles trying to c wats best because ppl vary from super hud (tannenj on CR) to no hud. i noticed urs had a hectic hud going on so i thought id check it out. but yeah when i saw the QJs hand i thought this cant be right. even readless, this hand is good enuff to at least call. i appreciate that u r teaching beginners not to call oop which is invaluable advice but why not 3bet? u said u wanted to throw in some lightish 3bets and if ever there was a hand u could throw in as a speculative 3bet without being all that speculative itd be QJs. nething higher like KQs is an auto 3bet while T9s u begin needing some hand reading skills postflop which is prob a bit much for babysteps ep 2. but yeah my 2c.

while i appreciate your advice, i have to disagree with most of it (at least in the first paragraph)...i mean you even said you "tried in frustration" to beat 50NL playing 24/20...that sounds like you probably werent playing +EV poker, or at the very least you didn't adjust properly to the passivity and looseness. also, just because we're playing loose PF doesn't mean we have to 2-barrel every scare card; it just means we're exploiting our opponents a lot from BU/CO because there isn't much light 3-betting from the blinds.

now, yes i said i was going to light 3-bet. this doesn't mean i have to auto 3-bet decent looking hands in the blinds though. that hand probably couldve gone either way i guess, and while i stand behind my reasons for folding the hand OOP, given that villain folds to 67% of 3-bets i probably could have reraised. then again that sample is only 2/3, and i didn't have any table experience with teh guy, so most 50NL players should usually just fold in that spot.

I was really excited after the first Baby Steps, it's a great concept, to start low and move higher as time and experience permits. But this Ep2 wasn't particularly Baby Steps, it was more like Gorilla Steps! lol

I should have taken notes because I have forgotten many of my points as I was not intending to get into this, but you said you wanted comments and suggestions so at the last minute I thought I'd call you on it.

I was looking forward to a progression of the basics, like your starting hands? You gave some guidelines in Ep1 and thought you'd modify these for the next level. Maybe you assume we should know these, and many of us do have our own ideas but we're listening to you for your experience and advice. While you said you were going to loosen up, and you most def did, I didn't really get any idea of a logical progression.

So maybe that's a suggestion for Ep4 - how loose would you suggest between these low stakes levels, along with some examples?

Another point I remember is that you spoke often about image, image, image. Are we sure these people really do read your image? Sure, some of them do, but most of them don't use a HUD as far as I've heard, surely most don't take written or mental notes because of the high turnover online.

One thing you said is that there are an incredible number of people who just play mechanical poker because of their multi-tabling, so how could they form an image? If they did get an image it's probably only partial because they miss so many hands.

That's a problem with the multi-tabling, of course. I think you didn't notice that the one to your left in the right table, "myaccountisrigged" doubled up early while you were explaining a hand in your left table. He came upon quad 4's and did a good job of check-calling and then stacking his opponent. I'm not sure why you were down on him, as it looked to me like he played well, in fact he ended up with $114 vs your $94 oops lol.

Please don't take my comments as criticisms - I think you are a very good teacher and convey your experience and knowledge well. Perhaps a little bit of planning the teaching session so that you can get your points covered in a good logical way.

Thanks very much for listening and sorry for the lengthy post. Thanks again for the videos, looking forward to the next series - how about some real in-depth exploration of some of these mid-low levels, perhaps a series for each level - or is all this getting hashed over and over and over again? Regards,

str8floozy: thanks for taking the time to watch and give me your thoughts.

we are currently planning a uNL series where we'll talk about a lot more concepts in detail. i merely wanted to show two contrasting styles; i guess playing 26/22 isnt representative of a smooth, logical progression from the 17/14ish style in the first video, so my apologies, but this video was also designed to show you typical spots to make moves in uNL games, so keep that in mind. i just did a lot of them since i only had an hour for the vid.

as far as rigid hand guidelines go, i don't really use them except UTG and MP, and the MP guidelines are pretty flexible depending on table conditions. here are some good UTG/MP ranges:

A9s+, AJo+, KQo, KJs+, JTs+, 22+
A7s+, ATo+, KJo, KJs+, 89s+, 22+

Again, those are rough estimates based on the table, how many fish vs nits i have behind me, how loose the blinds are, etc.

Now regarding image; I think its really important. Even at 50NL, a lot of regs (mostly the 4-tablers and lower) will pick up on LAG tendencies, so by 3-betting people light early in the match I can get them to A) play back when i openraise, B) play back when i 3-bet, and C) overadjust in tons of other situations where they think i could be bluffing.

Regarding your commment about "myaccountisrigged", you can't seriously suggest that just because a guy won a stack at the table he is automatically playing well? Because please realize, he was quite bad, playing about 35% of his hands during hte video! I mean did you see the hand where I stacked him? His UTG jam there is awful without history.

I confirm that myaccntisrigged doesn't play well, I've stacked him twice since the video was out

This video was solid. I liked it more than the first one. I'd like to see you 4 tabling 100nl for the last video.

'I have about a 10k hand sample at 50NL playing 24/20 with an 8ptbb/100 winrate. . .'

Or how about just taking some interesting hands you played in your 10k run and going through them in the hem replayer? Would be nice since you can use the hud.

'I have about a 10k hand sample at 50NL playing 24/20 with an 8ptbb/100 winrate. . .'

Or how about just taking some interesting hands you played in your 10k run and going through them in the hem replayer? Would be nice since you can use the hud.

Vid 3 is going to contain both hands from 25NL and 50NL that were not in the videos, as well as hands from them.

vn video

thanks stevie

omgomg tubasteve is teh pwn

I'm curious about the KK hand 7 min in the video on the T93 2suited flop.

1. What do you do if he shoves flop on that drawy board? Very easy call?

2. how do yo play turn if the a flushcard or ace hits?

3.What do yo do if a rag hit? Bet again? and if so what if he shoves, allways beat?

4.How do you play river when a bad card comes?

I liked this series, excellent instructor. Thanks and I'd like to see more at these low stakes series. (cause that's where I am obv.)

I like the serie atm

As it been said, the difference between the 1st and 2nd video is too large imo for people who want to learn and learn mosts basics concepts and starting hand, etc.. I still like the way you explained how to ajust and how to react on the table in comparison of you table image.

Go on and continu for uNL series.

Btw, I wish you will include a nl 100 vid in thoses

I really would like to see 1 or 2 NL100 videos while you 4 table. I'd prefer you play against some regs on 1 or 2 tables so we can watch you exploit their weaknesses.

This type of video is why I signed up here at DC. I'm new and have tons of tourney xp, but not a lot in cash. I thought the first vid was a little basic, but the 2nd was great. I too would appreciate a 100NL video, but I think 50NL is where I will stay for now. Thanks again.

I notice you never go tilty or act emotionally in your videos. This is the best mindset to have I'm sure. As a new member to this site, is there any videos I can watch which help you to especially develop this mindset? Thanks steve

Very good video.
I think you moved a little to fast from NL25 to NL50 though.
I would have liked to see at least one more NL25 video before moving up.

zomg i can't believe i folded that QJs hand. that is so so bad. call there and play postflop imo.

what was i thinking LOL

IIs it a level? I agree with the fold.

Steve, great video series. Just became a DC member two days ago and really enjoy the site. After all the love its been getting on other forums I post on, I'll probably be switching to HEM soon. Does the table/HUD come with HEM or is that something you dl'd and use simply for video purposes?

TB, question on A-2o hand at the 37:45 mark. You said you would consider 4-betting the SB if he 3-bet you. SB was running 14/9/inf over 55 (or so) at the time. Isn't this a bit of fancy play syndrome? If V calls our 4-bet, what are we hoping to flop? Obv. if he 5-bets ai then we fold.

Bump for responses.

at min. 26, why arent u opening the SB with the 78o against the tight BB?

at min 34. with the AKs why is the T53r board not good for cbetting. It looks to me like it couldn't be any more dry

at min. 26, why arent u opening the SB with the 78o against the tight BB?

keep in mind this video was made a long time ago

at min 34. with the AKs why is the T53r board not good for cbetting. It looks to me like it couldn't be any more dry

The board is dry, but tuba had been pretty "aggro" in that time on that table, so cbetting on that dry board might lead to villain playing back at him by c/r the flop.

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What would of been a better play in the first hands with QQ vs KK should he of flatted or made a small 4bet? How about if he had aces what should he of done bc, you instantly thought he didnt have Aces y?

What would of been a better play in the first hands with QQ vs KK should he of flatted or made a small 4bet? How about if he had aces what should he of done bc, you instantly thought he didnt have Aces y?

i mean im trying to get AIPF with QQ+ like always, and most people dont just overbet shove AA bc its not the most profitable way to play the hand. if you shove AA and get action you probably were stacking the person no matter what you did against that holding, so you stand to make much more money overall by taking lines that doesn't just get your opponent to fold everything but premimums.

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What had you done if you had not hit the K (or the A) on the turn?
1. c/f to a big'ish bet?
2. c/f to a ½ pot size bet?
3. Bet any river card had he checked?

I guess a c/c a ½ size pot bet would have been terrible?

Thanks for the vid!

I confirm that myaccntisrigged doesn't play well, I've stacked him twice since the video was out

I can confirm this as well - I stacked him yesterday at 25NL, so I don't think he's progressing much as a poker player.

EDIT: Yeah, he's definitely not very good, just looked this up out of curiosity:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/myacctisrigged

Hey man, great video! Really helps me alot in my game and love the stuff your producing. But your holdemmanager stas with 3bet and f3b and all that information. It dosen´t appear on my holdemmanager. I have the small stakes version and is that why I´m dont have this or is it any settings you need to do? Would love and answer as soon as possible

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Just wondering, on the AKJsQK board, what is the weakest hand you are looking him up with, given the action? Would you call with a naked ace? naked king? are you raising a T or just calling?

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On the hand with JJ: You mention one reason for not betting the flop is that he's going to play straightforward with AK and probably be c/f-ing this flop. I don't think it's such a bad thing to bet out AK. Unless we expect him to turn AK into a bluff on later streets (which I doubt because he could think his AK is good and try and get to showdown), there really is no more value if that's what he has. If he improves, he beats us so we might as well bet him out on the flop.

On the other hand, he can certainly call the flop with tons of mid PPs that we are crushing like 66-TT. If he calls I'd b/f any non-A non-heart turn and re-eval if called. This turn card is like worst in the deck so not quite sure what to do. I would probably mix it up between b/f and c/f.

If he raises, oh well. I think we can fold and feel okay about it. Continuing would put us in a tough spot on the turn and river.

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So, if the villian would have come over the top of your c-bet here you would have shoved? Even though you only have middle pair and a very low flush draw?

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So on the HUD I see you played 48 hands but Om Nom Nom has played 666. I'm new to Holdem Manager so does this mean you played him before from another session ? and if so is this the way to read players over serveral sessions ?

So I finally fully subscribed to DC and I'm going back to basics. I know these were made in 08 but I hope not all videos show the cards in this way.

If a card is a diamond I wanna see a diamond not coloured coded lol

So I finally fully subscribed to DC and I'm going back to basics. I know these were made in 08 but I hope not all videos show the cards in this way.

If a card is a diamond I wanna see a diamond not coloured coded lol

well almost every professional uses a 4-color deck to avoid misreading the board while multitabling, so i'm sorry but i don't know how much luck you'll have.

So on the HUD I see you played 48 hands but Om Nom Nom has played 666. I'm new to Holdem Manager so does this mean you played him before from another session ? and if so is this the way to read players over serveral sessions ?

pretty much correct on all points

well almost every professional uses a 4-color deck to avoid misreading the board while multitabling, so i'm sorry but i don't know how much luck you'll have.

wow slap from Teacher lol

Point taken sir

See my comment on Ep4

hey what is the software you use for stats on the tables

Got a lot out of this video. I've seen in HEM how much of a leak my sb limping range is, I really like your play from the sb. Hands like J3s I'd usually limp, any any ace I'm either limping or raising, shows to be probably very unprofitable out of position.

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If we know the guy is folding to alot of 3-bets, shouldn't we look to polarizing our 3-betting range. And just call w/ KQs here? Given the fact that he will almos always call w/ dominating hands and fold all hands we dominate?

Thanks,
Cheese-

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Same think here w/ 77. Isnt it better to call? we wont like may flops if we 3-bet and he calls and we cant stand a 4-bet. Dont think he will call here with 22-66 and overcards have good equity vs us and if he know we can 3-bet w/ 77 he could easily take us off our hand on later streets.

yeah, playing OOP is bad. i seriously doubt calling the QJs is more than a very slight +EV play at best, and i had no reads on the guy's postflop tendencies so i wasnt about to start bluffing him when i miss, making a call fairly marginal IMO. as ive said in other videos, you cant just flatcall those hands OOP and play fit-or-fold; so still being relatively readless i decided to just muck.

I have two queries. :-)

First one is about the QJ hand and it may sound retarded but... so what's the reasoning behind calling being better - as opposed to what was said in the quoted post.

The second is the 76o SB vs BB. What does it mean that the video was make long ago?