Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Grindcore (Mid Stakes)

Finally! I think I'd vote you for president if I could.

Yeah i was hoping for this too

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great vid

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the only hard thing is, that you have the read that he is raising FDs on the flop.
So imo it is not so unlikely without a read (now you haver it) that he could also raise str8draws on the flop, which would make your herocall maybe a bad one.

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Amazing.

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LOL Hope he is on your fish list! What's incredible is you get him to shove the flop here, which will only get called by better...

really like your thought processes so far in the vid, GC-great job.

This is so sick. Trying to induce all in bluffs with Q high is just wow

Excellent explanation of your logic. Would love to see a video of you making mistakes, or do you never? heh

this is a great video and i've learned a lot from grindcore so far but either people at my stakes (50 NL atm) just do not have this much air in their ranges on turn / river TT.
Great watch though again !

nvm my last post. actually fish take these lines alot. Just never thought of it that way. Thanks for this series!

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I was so excited for this!

One of the sickest videos I've ever seen. I really hope you make another series soon!

I'll be doing some SSNL group coaching in June. I'll make a thread with package specifics at some point. PM me if you want me to PM you when it's up.

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I was so excited for this!

Try downloading it (VLC Player can play back the mp4 format which is the best format).

Also post your specific problem in here http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/7-Research-Development-/164191-Video-streaming-download-

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I'm not really sure about how 10/20nl is played, but why do you always put bluffs in this range? It seems like a standard play in SS to raise FD,SD,sets and over pairs or whatever. Why did you not buy his line? How did you know his exact holdings from pf. If you had reads on him, would you be able to tell us?

Is this because of the relatively dry flop texture, he would slow play his sets to get more value and raise on later streets? Was this an exact read that you had? I would expect villains not to repeat their same action over and over again when you get to mid-stakes or higher. Any contribution would be great!

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how much influences the 4 to a straight board your call on the river?
let's say turn is the 6c (79 still gets there) and your hand is 85 instead of 86. basically, how much less ploarized is his range then? could he stil vbet 79, 88 or T8 on the river and how much (if) less likely are you to call the A river then?

Lol, I remember that 86 calldown. I'm half-way through the video and I think the 86s hand is the best by far, but knowing MTT numbskulls a little bit better now, it could be conceivable for some of them to show up with something like a 5 high flush on the river.

I'm not really sure about how 10/20nl is played, but why do you always put bluffs in this range? It seems like a standard play in SS to raise FD,SD,sets and over pairs or whatever. Why did you not buy his line? How did you know his exact holdings from pf. If you had reads on him, would you be able to tell us?

Is this because of the relatively dry flop texture, he would slow play his sets to get more value and raise on later streets? Was this an exact read that you had? I would expect villains not to repeat their same action over and over again when you get to mid-stakes or higher. Any contribution would be great!

At lower stakes your opponents usually don't adjust, but when you play at higher stakes against thinking regulars, you can anticipate them adjusting to your play even before you've seen the actual adjustment. Based on the play we had so far this session, I was really sure he would try to trap me on a board like this. It's basicly just leveling. Ofcourse if he'd think 1 level higher he'd raise for value knowing I'd anticipate a slowplay, but that would be giving me an enormous ammount of credit for knowing I'd actually make some sort of play etc, and he had no reason to think that. There's not much value in me explaining my 10/20 reads because the things you'd learn from it won't be applicable at all at your own stakes. I showed the hand because of the creative line I took to exploit him based on the read.

Lol, I remember that 86 calldown. I'm half-way through the video and I think the 86s hand is the best by far, but knowing MTT numbskulls a little bit better now, it could be conceivable for some of them to show up with something like a 5 high flush on the river.

True, though even then I still think I'm not even making a potodds call, but I'm in fact a favourite.

how much influences the 4 to a straight board your call on the river?
let's say turn is the 6c (79 still gets there) and your hand is 85 instead of 86. basically, how much less ploarized is his range then? could he stil vbet 79, 88 or T8 on the river and how much (if) less likely are you to call the A river then?

I think 79 88 T8 he'd raise preflop to isolate the fish. His limping range is probably something like 22-55 54s 43s 64s. If the board wouldn't 4straight and he would be limping T8 88 etc then he'd definatly vbet them, and his sizing would also make sense given my minbet-call on the flop looking like a weak hand.

The thought process demonstrated in this video is pure gold.
On a side note, it is kind of interesting why you chose hands where you actually win at showdown. I understand that not folding around when you're ahead is a huge part of your profit. However its not where you build up most of your non SD profit. Or am i wrong?

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wow sick but great rivercall - why I am not able to do so?xD

but I would not like too much in the 1st thought a C/Call on turn:

Yeah you have vs. him a nice Bluffcatcher on turn, but will he bluff enough when you do not doublebarrel such a default "2ndBarell-card"?

wow sick but great rivercall - why I am not able to do so?xD

but I would not like too much in the 1st thought a C/Call on turn:

Yeah you have vs. him a nice Bluffcatcher on turn, but will he bluff enough when you do not doublebarrel such a default "2ndBarell-card"?

A weekend fish doesn't care much for me not barreling the barrelcard. It's why you barrel your air there in the first place, because it works so often despite you being blatantly unbalanced in such spots.

He's not gonna float 6 high and then decide to check it down because I didn't bet the A turn. He floated the flop to bluff me later. If anything, I think he'll bluff an A more often than any other card. The biggest downside of the A is that he actually hits it alot with his Ax floats.

The thought process demonstrated in this video is pure gold.
On a side note, it is kind of interesting why you chose hands where you actually win at showdown. I understand that not folding around when you're ahead is a huge part of your profit. However its not where you build up most of your non SD profit. Or am i wrong?

Take the J high call in the end. I estimate I have 40% equity or so there. That means when I call my blue line will be going down, as I'm an underdog. If I fold, my red line will go down. So by getting reads that allow you to make +EV bluffcatches, your red line usually goes up and your blue line down, compared with the fold that you'd otherwise have made. It's not often that you're actually a favourite against his range when you bluffcatch the river. This video might have had some hands where that's the case but the majority of bluffcatches involve you being an underdog.

A weekend fish doesn't care much for me not barreling the barrelcard. It's why you barrel your air there in the first place, because it works so often despite you being blatantly unbalanced in such spots.

He's not gonna float 6 high and then decide to check it down because I didn't bet the A turn. He floated the flop to bluff me later. If anything, I think he'll bluff an A more often than any other card. The biggest downside of the A is that he actually hits it alot with his Ax floats.

ah, thought he was a REG - anyways, thx very much for answering^^

when villains take a fos line, how would you compare the stink of the shit? egg-like, cow-like or too-much-fruit-like?

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again super thoughts.^^

one question:
What if the river would have been a 6,8, 3,4, 9?

Would you have stilled C/Called tie river?
The poblem is obv. that on thiscards many random draws from his possible Flopraisingrange would come in.

Very good and entertaining video!

You obviously put a ton of stock in your reads in these spots against bad players. How do you determine when these reads can be considered solid enough to apply them comfortably?

Do you sit back a while and get some confirmation for the reads before you trust them with your stack or do you stick your head in from the start and adjust as you go along? I feel a bit uncomfortable with this sometimes. Kinda the same thing as avoiding coinflips when your egde is huge if you suspect the fish might leave after a double up.

I would really appretiate if you could elaborate a bit on this.

thanks!

Same line, only now I'll sometimes get called instead of jammed on when he paired. For every straight hitting, there are several missing too, so if he has the nuts, good for him.

again super thoughts.^^

one question:
What if the river would have been a 6,8, 3,4, 9?

Would you have stilled C/Called tie river?
The poblem is obv. that on thiscards many random draws from his possible Flopraisingrange would come in.

Very good and entertaining video!

You obviously put a ton of stock in your reads in these spots against bad players. How do you determine when these reads can be considered solid enough to apply them comfortably?

Do you sit back a while and get some confirmation for the reads before you trust them with your stack or do you stick your head in from the start and adjust as you go along? I feel a bit uncomfortable with this sometimes. Kinda the same thing as avoiding coinflips when your egde is huge if you suspect the fish might leave after a double up.

I would really appretiate if you could elaborate a bit on this.

thanks!

People don't suddenly change the way they play. Especially not fish. Some are just clicking buttons and do random stuff, but then that's the way they play: they click buttons. They won't suddenly make some thoughtful play intentionally, but they might do it by accident. If you've seen a player do a certain thing, chances are good he'd do it again, so you can go with reads pretty fast. Watch my live videos to see read building in action.

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I have a dumb question: What are the odds that a combo of 2,3,4,5 happens if we get to see all 5 streets?

i like ur vid, i always made dumb calldowns, and still do, but at least they work more often now

I have a dumb question: What are the odds that a combo of 2,3,4,5 happens if we get to see all 5 streets?

This should be pretty easy to calculate but I never payed attention during math class in high school so I forgot how to precisely do it. Intuitively I'd say this, but it could easily be wrong:

16/52*12/51*8/50*4/49*5, with the 5 in the end being the 5 possible spots for the last card to be (the board pairing doesn't matter since you still stack Ax with 6x, which I suppose is the thing you're interested in). That results in ~0.5%, or 1 in 200 boards.

lol thanks. add that .5 percent to my set mining 6's

One of the best DC videos. Your ability to convey your complex Thought processes is brilliant.
Please more videos

I know I will watch this series again and again and again. I hope you will do more in the near future.
Now for a question that I don't know how to ask. I play 25NL and have only 30k hands at the table. Okay, so now for the question...you started basically from scratch. Can you somehow outline or give a synopsis of how you developed your skills?
I've read quite a few books and watched many of the SSNl vids on DeucesCracked. My common sense and trying to apply what I've learned has me jutt shy of breaking even. But, when I am at a table, I do not think anything even remotely like you do.
For example, as you commentate, I listen to your reads and wonder how do you know that? How did you first develop your assumptions so that you are applying them to this particular situation? I know you talked about standard play and deviating from it in one of the other videos, but, when I am analyzing a hand, I make assumptions based upon what I think (not knowing whether my thinking is right or wrong) and am quite offbase much of the time about what I think the villain has for a range and what he does with it. As you explain your thought process for the hands, it seems so clear and you are so confident. How do I go about teaching myself the thought process to get - eventually through a lot of work - where you are? What was the path you took to developing how you think about the game? If that makes any sense. Thank you for any wisdom you share.

This can't be real, right?

Very nice video and very good series. Hope to see much more from you in future series.

In the J3s hand when he raised the 572r, what would you do if the turn was a 6 ? Still lead + shove?

Just curious since I had a very similar spot today (NL500):

Hero ($562)
BB ($443)
CO ($138)
BTN ($671)

Dealt to Hero J K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $20, BB calls $15

FLOP ($40) 3 7 9

Hero bets $30, BB raises to $75, Hero calls $45

TURN ($190) 3 7 9 6

Hero ?

Very nice video and very good series. Hope to see much more from you in future series.

In the J3s hand when he raised the 572r, what would you do if the turn was a 6 ? Still lead + shove?

Just curious since I had a very similar spot today (NL500):

Hero ($562)
BB ($443)
CO ($138)
BTN ($671)

Dealt to Hero J K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $20, BB calls $15

FLOP ($40) 3 7 9

Hero bets $30, BB raises to $75, Hero calls $45

TURN ($190) 3 7 9 6

Hero ?

The 6 very likely gives him showdown value or a straight. He'll never check a straight. You can consider checking turn and overbetshoving river when he checks back, and just c/f turn when he bets. But you have to be really sure that he is bluffing the flop in the first place to not make a play like that.


Someone asked before what I'd do on some rivers and I said I'd take the same line, but on a 6 I'd actually c/f as now all semibluffs have SD value or a straight. A 3 for example would only complete 46 but miss 68 89 so I'd still be ahead when he shoves.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion as you did that he probably got some kind of SD value on the turn. Nice point with your own hand on a river 3 or 6.

TURN ($190) 3 7 9 6

Hero checks, BB checks

RIVER ($190) 3 7 9 6 7

Hero checks, BB bets $348 (AI), Hero ?

Overbetbluffing river is interesting but would you do it on this river?

I do realise the need for reads, but I think I have got a similar opponent in this hand like yours, regarding slowplaying monsters on flops and also checking back SD value

I hope this hand is not too bothersome for you, sorry for taking your time, but I just thought you might find it interesting.

In the last hand can villain ever have Ahigh ?

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion as you did that he probably got some kind of SD value on the turn. Nice point with your own hand on a river 3 or 6.

TURN ($190) 3 7 9 6

Hero checks, BB checks

RIVER ($190) 3 7 9 6 7

Hero checks, BB bets $348 (AI), Hero ?

Overbetbluffing river is interesting but would you do it on this river?

I do realise the need for reads, but I think I have got a similar opponent in this hand like yours, regarding slowplaying monsters on flops and also checking back SD value

I hope this hand is not too bothersome for you, sorry for taking your time, but I just thought you might find it interesting.

Yeah he never raises 7x on the flop and keeps betting 67/sets/straights on the turn, so I'd bet to fold out a 6. $140 is probably enough though, don't have to openshove.

As played, his shove is really strange. He doesn't raise 7x on the flop and doesn't check a valuehand on the turn. He'd also expect you to lead the river if you had 7x or a straight/set/overpair/whatever probably, so when you check he thinks you have a bluffcatcher. The jam then very often is a bluff, but what hands can he be bluffing with? All his semibluffs improved on the turn except JT. Most people don't bluffraise A high on the flop but just call instead, so KJ likely beats his bluffs, but the problem is that there are so few bluffing combos in his range. I guess he could also have raised random overs w hearts on the flop and then checked the turn fearing a CRAI... Very close. I'd rather call AK or 9x here than KJ though, just in case he is bluffing with the best hand (like 6x to bluff you off 9x or overpair). Wether you should call KJ here or not also depends on your image/history with villain. But leading river is far superior to anything here.

Yeah he never raises 7x on the flop and keeps betting 67/sets/straights on the turn, so I'd bet to fold out a 6. $140 is probably enough though, don't have to openshove.

As played, his shove is really strange. He doesn't raise 7x on the flop and doesn't check a valuehand on the turn. He'd also expect you to lead the river if you had 7x or a straight/set/overpair/whatever probably, so when you check he thinks you have a bluffcatcher. The jam then very often is a bluff, but what hands can he be bluffing with? All his semibluffs improved on the turn except JT. Most people don't bluffraise A high on the flop but just call instead, so KJ likely beats his bluffs, but the problem is that there are so few bluffing combos in his range. I guess he could also have raised random overs w hearts on the flop and then checked the turn fearing a CRAI... Very close. I'd rather call AK or 9x here than KJ though, just in case he is bluffing with the best hand (like 6x to bluff you off 9x or overpair). Wether you should call KJ here or not also depends on your image/history with villain. But leading river is far superior to anything here.

Thank you for the answer. I knew you were the right guy for a question like that

How are you able to get such good reads on you opponents?

How are you able to get such good reads on you opponents?

By paying attention and actively thinking about what the things I pick up on mean. It's all out there, right in front of your eyes. You just have to see it.

Keep in mind though that these hands are a selection from my entire career, and not a sessions standard.

By paying attention and actively thinking about what the things I pick up on mean. It's all out there, right in front of your eyes. You just have to see it.

Keep in mind though that these hands are a selection from my entire career, and not a sessions standard.

I actually think one of the biggest obstacles for many players is to trust their reads in a way which enables them to make these "sick" plays like you do. It takes a lot of confidence.

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Ok all your thinking process makes a lot of sense and I know you are making a lot of money at these stakes but still... I couldn't be happy with Q high there. Don't you think vilain has TP type hands, FDs in his range ?
I assume the fish thinking process is either " ok I have nothing I'm gonna bluff cheap " or " ok I like my hand, let's put some money in the pot " ?

Keep in mind though that these hands are a selection from my entire career, and not a sessions standard.

ok that explains a lot then. =)

Ok all your thinking process makes a lot of sense and I know you are making a lot of money at these stakes but still... I couldn't be happy with Q high there. Don't you think vilain has TP type hands, FDs in his range ?
I assume the fish thinking process is either " ok I have nothing I'm gonna bluff cheap " or " ok I like my hand, let's put some money in the pot " ?

He doesn't do this with top pair. I give all my reads at the start of the hand. He doesn't minraise the flop if he has something, so when he minraises I know he has no pair and no A high (which is top pair on the river). The only hand beating me is 5x that bluffed the flop and is now betting small because his pair is small or so, but I'm getting insane pot-odds so even if he plays 5x like this 100% of the time it's still a call.

I actually think one of the biggest obstacles for many players is to trust their reads in a way which enables them to make these "sick" plays like you do. It takes a lot of confidence.

this!

Depending on my present state of mind, I also of course fight with this topic.

Excellent video.

I have a question about something you said about the things that happened before you decided to limp AA UTG.

You said that you have overbet bluffed the river against a fish three times in a row because the situations were good for it. This blows my mind a bit.
I do overbet bluff fish occasionally, but I am very hesitant to do it twice in a row, let alone three times because I feel like they would rather burn money than not see my cards.

Would you mins expanding a bit about these spots? They don't have to be the exact three spots, of course . any kind of general respons about the subject will do.

Also, make more vids soon, please.

Excellent video.

I have a question about something you said about the things that happened before you decided to limp AA UTG.

You said that you have overbet bluffed the river against a fish three times in a row because the situations were good for it. This blows my mind a bit.
I do overbet bluff fish occasionally, but I am very hesitant to do it twice in a row, let alone three times because I feel like they would rather burn money than not see my cards.

Would you mins expanding a bit about these spots? They don't have to be the exact three spots, of course . any kind of general respons about the subject will do.

Also, make more vids soon, please.

Example spot for good overbet bluff: you have a read that villain bets turn when checked to after calling a cbet if he has top pair or air. He only checks 2nd or 3rd pair type hands. When you cbet Axx he calls and checks back turn, you can overbet river.

6/5 stars!

thank u for this great season, i've never seen something more impressiv than this episode. i look forward to see ur videos again.

I'd love your thoughts on this hand.

It was rush poker and I don't have many reads on the guy besides he's fishy..

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 773587
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $17.65
UTG: $65.70
Hero (MP): $58.40
CO: $67.20
BTN: $60.00
SB: $93.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with Q K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) T 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) A (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, BTN calls $6

River: ($20.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

You block some of the combos you're beating. He could also have 66 99 TT A6 A9 AT A5 AJ AQ AK etc. No way you're priced in to call there. Especially readless you can't make these calls. You need to be able to for example discount the 2 pair + hands from his range on the flop/turn because you know he raises those, and then know he won't be able to do this with A2o and/or have a betsize tell. If you had the best hand you just got super lucky.

You block some of the combos you're beating. He could also have 66 99 TT A6 A9 AT A5 AJ AQ AK etc. No way you're priced in to call there. Especially readless you can't make these calls. You need to be able to for example discount the 2 pair + hands from his range on the flop/turn because you know he raises those, and then know he won't be able to do this with A2o and/or have a betsize tell. If you had the best hand you just got super lucky.

Ty. I didn't have the best hand but I sure as hell didn't expect his hand... 88.

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What the heck is he doing on that river?
I mean what does he expect you to fold?

What the heck is he doing on that river?
I mean what does he expect you to fold?

Doesn't matter, people are bad at this game.

"I'm repping an ace, I wouldn't check an ace!"
"I check I lose"
etc

dude, youre one sick animal

Perhaps your next series could be called something like "Down with the Sickness" where you show sick hand after sick soul crushing hands like this.

I'm going to do a college dissertation on these hands. Thanks for the series Grindcore!

Hey Bart,

Awesome serieesss!!!
I heard u say you play a lot on ipoker if i aint mistaken.
Which skin would u advice and is there any rakeback on ipoker?

Thx

Hey Bart,

Awesome serieesss!!!
I heard u say you play a lot on ipoker if i aint mistaken.
Which skin would u advice and is there any rakeback on ipoker?

Thx

Look around in the iPoker regs threads on 2+2 in SSNL and MSNL.

Look around in the iPoker regs threads on 2+2 in SSNL and MSNL.

Isn`t it a problem for you to play on a site without RSA-Tokens?

sick stuff!

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I do this soo often here, and I just call when the vast majority of their range is bluffs, and then lose to rivered 6 outer or 66.

Nice hand sir

i was with you until the last hand. that one seemed to be a bit of reach imo.

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Lets say you've got 2 very weak cards here, like 8t clubs. Again a good spot to call the flop and underbet the turn like the hand before?

Lets say you've got 2 very weak cards here, like 8t clubs. Again a good spot to call the flop and underbet the turn like the hand before?

Your timestamp is off.

Maybe an idea to do the same in your last episode of the thin red grind. But this time, also show some big laydowns, hands that you lost and hands where villain reads your soul. Thats way more interesting in my opinion bacause in this video it just looks like you always win a big pot if you handread your villain etc.

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you are Goood!

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How can you be sure that overpairs are not in his range on the river? 65% VPIP agro fish will SP overpairs sometimes imo, but I think it's a very small portion of his range then he half pots river, to make a call plus +EV?

Time link to 03:44.

How can you be sure that overpairs are not in his range on the river? 65% VPIP agro fish will SP overpairs sometimes imo, but I think it's a very small portion of his range then he half pots river, to make a call plus +EV?

He was fastplaying things like top pair. These player types rarely slowplay. He also had a timing tell. Yeah he could have an overpair in theory, it's just very unlikely given my reads.

Loved this series Grindcore!

When you make notes like "raises top pair on flop" or "doesn't bet showdown value" etc, are these assumptions purely based on what you have/haven't seen them do so far, or deductions from what you've seen them do with other parts of their range? Say if you see a player make small bets when they have a weak draw, is it correct to assume that when they bet big they always have a value hand?

I have problems making good notes especially against fish/bad regs because the things they do seem illogical and totally random. For example, fish might min raise flop with TP, then spazz min raise bottom pair, or even air, a few hands later for no reason other than that they probably feel like it, so the next time I'm faced with a min raise I'm left thinking "ok I've seen him do this with top pair and bottom pair...errr (I get indecisive)". What's the best way to become better at turning notes into useful reads?

Check out the third episode in this series, it specifically goes over the way I take notes. In short I seperate observations from conclusions, and use (sometimes multiple) question marks or exclamation marks for the conclusions to indicate how accurate I think the assumption is.

Thank you Grindcore! I've watched more of your vids since and a few of the things you said have really stood out for me, which were that at micro stakes players tend to be unpredictable and we should for the lines that gets us the most information i.e. call instead of fold. So I've been experimenting with calling a bit more in spots to form reads, when I'm given good enough pot odds. It hasn't always worked out but I now seem to pay a lot more attention to my tables which can only be a good thing