Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Looking forward to this new episode Hope that its as good as the other ones were.

I love these two tabling vids. Keep em coming.

I get an error when I try to download the wmv version of this vid.

Just restart ur browser and try it again. I got these errors sometimes too.. I don't know why

Love all the isolating discussion and the solid play. Too damn bad we didn't get action on the limp/reraise with aces

Good series guys, can't wait to see the final two eps.

I love this series. good work.

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I have a big request. Somebody can make a table like that what there is in REAL LIFE NL GRINDER 6. episode?

WhiteHeatSYD ?

Thx!

Question re: AKo discussion if tight player (googleboy?) had 3-bet (you had to know there was going to be at least ONE question about this )

1) What if you had had QQ in that spot and googleboy 3-bet?
2) What if you had had KK in that spot and googleboy 3-bet and the flop came out something like Q74r and google-boy leads into you? What would you do - auto-fold, re-raise or call?
3) What if you had had a suited connector - say something like 910s? Would you ever consider flatting googleboy's 3-bet and taking advantage of your position in order to win a big pot if the flop came favorably to you?
4) I haven't seen any big bluffs in these vids...do you not consider bluffing to be a profitable strategy at the lower stakes because the likelyhood of getting looked up is greater than at higher stakes?

I love this series. good work.

off:

I have a big request. Somebody can make a table like that what there is in REAL LIFE NL GRINDER 6. episode?

WhiteHeatSYD ?

Thx!

Happy for the table to get distributed. Will speak t Rob about how to upload it!

2) What if you had had KK in that spot and googleboy 3-bet and the flop came out something like Q74r and google-boy leads into you? What would you do - auto-fold, re-raise or call?

Oops...need to clarify this a bit. So you have KK and googleboy 3-bets you - raise, call or fold? Let's say you 4-bet and google-boy re-raises you all-in, would you fold? OK, let's say you 4-bet and googleboy calls and then the flop situation above happens, what then?

I noticed that you wanted to barrel turns whenever you thought you had the best hand/could bluff successfully. Where does the pot control mantra fit into all of this? Is it only valid vs good aggressive opponents who can put you to decisions for stacks?

Happy for the table to get distributed. Will speak t Rob about how to upload it!

Ship it to me via email and I'll put it up on the site.

Rob

Ship it to me via email and I'll put it up on the site.

Rob

you guys should have someone make that mod for PS also. it's def pimp.

4) I haven't seen any big bluffs in these vids...do you not consider bluffing to be a profitable strategy at the lower stakes because the likelihood of getting looked up is greater than at higher stakes?

depends on your playing style probably. Showdown and non-showdown winnings might dominate one's game although doesn't mean that one of those will dominate a specific stake/level. For say I used to have sick non-showdown winnings and was break-even on showdown ones. That turned around, but not because of me switching levels just because I started playing more tables and I don't feel like I have to pressure everyone at all times and I don't try to win all the pots.

Bluffing can be profitable, although not at all necessary to beat NL50 IMO(don't want to say about 100 just yet).

Also: c-betting is bluffing too. it's just not so sophisticated.

disagree about bluffing being unprofitable about 50nl. there are tons of regs willing to give you small pot after small pot.

disagree about bluffing being unprofitable about 50nl. there are tons of regs willing to give you small pot after small pot.

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

Happy for the table to get distributed. Will speak t Rob about how to upload it!

Ty!

I've done replicate of this table skin for ftp, I can upload it for request.

Brave

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

meh youre gonna turn into a weak-tight nit with this attitude. should always be looking for the +EV play, not the easiest play. you can beat 50NL for nearly 10ptbb/100 if you learn how to exploit tags.

meh youre gonna turn into a weak-tight nit with this attitude. should always be looking for the +EV play, not the easiest play. you can beat 50NL for nearly 10ptbb/100 if you learn how to exploit tags.

where's thac to say I am a beast, when I need him. LOL
agreed, sir.

Another question:

What is idea behind check-raising sets (i.e., 44 hand on 2-diamond board)? Is the idea merely to get more money in the pot on a board that is dangerous for our hand? What if the flop had been drier - say something like A104r - would you still advocate a check-raise? Does anyone see the merits in merely check-calling and then raising the river, assuming that the other guy continues to barrell the turn and river? I ask because I see many many people at 50NL doing the check-raise on very very dry boards with their sets so often that it becomes very transparent and it seems so much less profitable (of course these are also the people who don't check-raise their flush draws and two pair so it's a good bet to assume that they have the set when they do check-raise). In my scenario of the A104r flop, wouldn't a check-raise scare our opponent if he's holding hands like AJ, AQ that would probably still continue betting if we just called? Is check-calling with sets a fishie play?

Question re: AKo discussion if tight player (googleboy?) had 3-bet (you had to know there was going to be at least ONE question about this )

1) What if you had had QQ in that spot and googleboy 3-bet?

if he made the 3bet small enough, we'd call for set. Looking for probably 12:1+ or so, just because we can narrow his range so narrowly.

2) What if you had had KK in that spot and googleboy 3-bet and the flop came out something like Q74r and google-boy leads into you? What would you do - auto-fold, re-raise or call?

call once, probably fold the turn if he continues. raise would be suicide. if his cbet% is low we could even fold the flop.

3) What if you had had a suited connector - say something like 910s? Would you ever consider flatting googleboy's 3-bet and taking advantage of your position in order to win a big pot if the flop came favorably to you?

no because his range is so tight, there is really no positional advantage against him. It's not like we can use our 9Ts to bluff or steal the pot against him except occasionally on an A high board when he has KK. It's just a spot where to call with a hand like 9Ts, i'd like to have some fold equity postflop when i have a draw and/or the ability to steal the pot a fair amount on dry board textures. against him, neither of those considerations exist.

4) I haven't seen any big bluffs in these vids...do you not consider bluffing to be a profitable strategy at the lower stakes because the likelyhood of getting looked up is greater than at higher stakes?

bluffing is definitely profitable at these stakes, there just haven't been too many good spots to do it. Certainly if you find a spot in a video where you would haved ran a bluff, post the timestamp and we'll talk about the considerations to be made. More than anything else, it's just been an instance where there haven't been very many good spots to do it.

Oops...need to clarify this a bit. So you have KK and googleboy 3-bets you - raise, call or fold? Let's say you 4-bet and google-boy re-raises you all-in, would you fold? OK, let's say you 4-bet and googleboy calls and then the flop situation above happens, what then?

i wouldnt 4bet KK with the intention of folding. i would probably call and see a flop from there. 4betting to get it in wouldn't be bad either, but we're not entirely sure what he does with AK or QQ

I noticed that you wanted to barrel turns whenever you thought you had the best hand/could bluff successfully. Where does the pot control mantra fit into all of this? Is it only valid vs good aggressive opponents who can put you to decisions for stacks?

i think there's very little use for pot control these days at ssnl unless you're playing against a nit who can never call you with worse or a bluff happy monkey who has air a huge % of the time. i think people are just such call happy stations and they don't value bet thin enough that taking a bet/fold approach with a hand that has value is almost always better than checking behind in position or a c/c approach oop on the turn.

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

ask any of my students, i have no problem running big bluffs lol. I just felt like no good spots to run a big bluff came up and I'm not one for mindlessly barreling off stacks w/o some reasoning

if you guys saw some spots you would have ran bluffs that I didn't, certainly post the timestamp and we can talk about them. it's also possible that i was rambling off about something and missed some profitable bluff opportunities.

But to more directly respond to your comment, I definitely think that finding and recognizing spots at these stakes to take pots away from regulars is pivotal for achieving the highest winrate you can as well as getting yourself experience when you're ready to move up into the mid stakes. Bluffing is definitely profitable here, we just need to target the right people and have reasons for why we're doing what we're doing -- similar to the AsKs hand in the hand history review we did a couple weeks back.

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About the betsizing of that last AA hand, don't you think you're betting a bit too big on the turn? It's not like you really are afraid of anything that can comes on the river, and if you bet full pot on the flop and almost full pot on the turn I feel that even a fish can get away from something marginal. I would have bet something like 52, and if he calls that the pot would be something like 150 on the river with 70 behind, so again a bet that is going to offer him great odds on a call.

About the betsizing of that last AA hand, don't you think you're betting a bit too big on the turn? It's not like you really are afraid of anything that can comes on the river, and if you bet full pot on the flop and almost full pot on the turn I feel that even a fish can get away from something marginal. I would have bet something like 52, and if he calls that the pot would be something like 150 on the river with 70 behind, so again a bet that is going to offer him great odds on a call.

i disagree that he's getting away from anything marginal... when you have AA vs a fish you want to get as much money in the pot as possible before a card comes that either kills your hand or action

Another question:

What is idea behind check-raising sets (i.e., 44 hand on 2-diamond board)? Is the idea merely to get more money in the pot on a board that is dangerous for our hand? What if the flop had been drier - say something like A104r - would you still advocate a check-raise? Does anyone see the merits in merely check-calling and then raising the river, assuming that the other guy continues to barrell the turn and river? I ask because I see many many people at 50NL doing the check-raise on very very dry boards with their sets so often that it becomes very transparent and it seems so much less profitable (of course these are also the people who don't check-raise their flush draws and two pair so it's a good bet to assume that they have the set when they do check-raise). In my scenario of the A104r flop, wouldn't a check-raise scare our opponent if he's holding hands like AJ, AQ that would probably still continue betting if we just called? Is check-calling with sets a fishie play?

imo people aren't aggressive enough with their bluffs and not smart enough with their value bets to slowplay a hand like that out of position. we're fastplaying good hands on a board like AT4r because our $ is giong to come the times where they have a made hand on the flop that can't get away, not when they turn a second best hand. also A high dry boards are "good" (quotes because it's not that good against good/aware opponents) to bluff raise because people often play face up on those boards.

if you're playing against a lag maniac, sure go ahead and slowplay, but against the vast majority at small stakes you need to just bet and raise your hands for value to ensure you get their stack when they have something to stack off with.

if people are constantly getting away from AJ or AQ on AT4 you should be bluff checkraising them relentlessly.

Great content, but the sound sucks somehow, Alex is so extremly loud in this video, and a bit difficult to understand somehow (maybe it has sth. to do with his headset/micro).

41:40 You fold QTS in SB vs BTN open. You had been pounding on him w/3 bets. I usually just call here oop, is this a leak? Early in the video you fold JTs on the BTN vs. an UTG open. Why is this a fold? BVB you open 99 in SB and get reraised by the BB and fold. He was 18/15 with a 3B% of 6.4. I must be a calling station because I can't find the fold button here.

41:40 You fold QTS in SB vs BTN open. You had been pounding on him w/3 bets. I usually just call here oop, is this a leak? Early in the video you fold JTs on the BTN vs. an UTG open. Why is this a fold? BVB you open 99 in SB and get reraised by the BB and fold. He was 18/15 with a 3B% of 6.4. I must be a calling station because I can't find the fold button here.

they are not leaks preflop so long as you're doing plenty of stealing the pot postflop. relatively few at these stakes plays well enough oop to call with QTs vs a good regular's button open and show a profit. if you do, then fine go ahead and call.

as for the JTs hand, similar applies... we need to be taking the pot away a fair amount because do we really expect an 18/15 solid reg to play a big pot once we hit a flush or when we hit a straight unless it's a cooler type spot? Otherwise, we're looking to flop hands that have 50% equity vs his range and speculative fold equity against a tight utg raiser.

so ultimately it's like everything else in poker. know your opponent. the more you know about him, the more you can get away with calling (or 3betting) in spots like these. if you have no idea how often he cbets or 2barrels or what to do when you flop a medium strength 1 pair hand then you stand to lose a lot of money by playing these hands. if you have no idea how often you can get the guy to fold postflop on different board textures then you'll unlikely be able to take the pot away successfully often enough.

i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not as simple as "i have hand QTs and the button opens fold or call?" there's more to it than that, the more you know about the guy and the better you play postflop, the more you can make these types of calls. if you're calling to try to hit 2pair or a draw and play a big pot or aren't a good enough hand reader to call down/get away from a marginal one pair hand in the right spots, then it's going to be tough to show a profit with these hands.

one of the things I have found at this level is that actually keeping my cbet size smaller when I have it induces alot more wild ridiculous bluffs which makes it so easy to get paid. Now unless he is a player so prone to calling I will raise my bet size but loose players that raise alot you save money on ur c bets with air and it induces alot of action. This has just been my expierience at this level. Also you hit the nail on the head that players at this level play so face up on the turn and river that basically any hand i am checked to in a decent size pot I fire a good size VB looking bet and have had alot of succes. But the vids are great just sucks how bad Alex ran the first few.

best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.

aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.

alex, great job man.

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

Thanks again

best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.

aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.

alex, great job man.

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

Thanks again

opps, was meant to post this on episode 7

First, let me say I love this series and I think you're a great coach Aaron.

Around 51:00 the villain on the right hand table, who min raised UTG and c-bet flop, makes a very small bet on the turn, which is an ace. We now hold 99 on a board of 2Q7A . Despite getting a good price, we opt to fold. This seems like pretty standard stuff based solely on board texture and villain's stats.

You said "We don't have any indication he's going to be two barrel bluffing." However, this was the same guy who tried a hopeless bluff around 41:00 with 22 on a board of A4Q8T. And this was after insta-cold calling a pre-flop 3-bet OOP against the villain who reraised A7 OTB. In that hand villain took a similar line of making tiny bets that gave a really good price to callers. So obviously this guy is a retard. But getting past that, I think the ace hits his perceived very narrow pre flop raising range (which probably includes AKs , no?) so we should fold anyway.

But my question is as follows: if the turn were a blank, do we fold 99 anyway based on his stats? If we were focusing more on his line with 22 earlier, does it affect our decision here? How often do you think he randomly shows up with another small pair in this spot, if ever?

First, let me say I love this series and I think you're a great coach Aaron.

Around 51:00 the villain on the right hand table, who min raised UTG and c-bet flop, makes a very small bet on the turn, which is an ace. We now hold 99 on a board of 2Q7A . Despite getting a good price, we opt to fold. This seems like pretty standard stuff based solely on board texture and villain's stats.

You said "We don't have any indication he's going to be two barrel bluffing." However, this was the same guy who tried a hopeless bluff around 41:00 with 22 on a board of A4Q8T. And this was after insta-cold calling a pre-flop 3-bet OOP against the villain who reraised A7 OTB. In that hand villain took a similar line of making tiny bets that gave a really good price to callers. So obviously this guy is a retard. But getting past that, I think the ace hits his perceived very narrow pre flop raising range (which probably includes AKs , no?) so we should fold anyway.

But my question is as follows: if the turn were a blank, do we fold 99 anyway based on his stats? If we were focusing more on his line with 22 earlier, does it affect our decision here? How often do you think he randomly shows up with another small pair in this spot, if ever?

great question. i screwed this up and forgot to take the other hand at 41:00 into consideration. we should be calling the turn there on the 99 hand based on that read of the 22 hand. he could be "value betting" worse pairs there. it appears on the 22 hand, he sort of bet because he wasn't sure what else to do. a player like that is too unpredictable to be making this sort of fold on the turn getting that sort of price. Like I mentioned in the vid too... if he bet bigger i probably like a call as well, when he bets small like that I assumed it's mostly going to be Qx that doesnt want to bet big on the "scare card".

we'd call a turn blank as well, given the read. I think he randomly shows up w/ a smaller pair here a lot (at least relative to the pot odds we're getting)

Damn those misguided "value bets"!

Anyway, good to know about the blank turn.

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Is it just me or does WhiteHeat stop listening to the coaching every now and again?

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with the AKo oop you cbet on the Q82FD board. DO you think your cbet is a little bit too much? I would think 5.75 would do the same job as 7. Just imo.

with the AKo oop you cbet on the Q82FD board. DO you think your cbet is a little bit too much? I would think 5.75 would do the same job as 7. Just imo.

Yea you're probably right

Hello,
Thoroughly enjoying the series so far.
A non strategy based question : Can I download your HUD layout from anywhere?


Thanks
Iwin

slid video, enjoyed

Great series, thanks imo

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=1424
What were you planning vs a raise on flop with AJo on the 7d2cAc board? And I'm gonna guess turn 6h was a bet/call, probably not too excited tho?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=2724
KThh on 742hh. What are we gonna do if a) stevenc shoves b) kyo shoves/raises big c) someone calls and turn is another 2 or something d) kyo calls and leads a Tc turn big/shoves (pot is about 64 and we got 84 behind) (afaik we gotta fold non-heart/K/T turns?)

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=3840
KT on JT7hh 3way. Are you less likely to cbet here if either of them is pretty aggro? One thing that I find annoying with betting these spots for value is it's quite often pretty hard to see the real money with like half the deck being bad and it's kinda hard to know when they're bluffing. Are we gonna bet and how big if binxer calls the flop and the turn blanks? If krieg calls we should have pretty poor equity on a blank turn vs him so what's the plan?

Great series, thanks imo

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=1424
What were you planning vs a raise on flop with AJo on the 7d2cAc board? And I'm gonna guess turn 6h was a bet/call, probably not too excited tho?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=2724
KThh on 742hh. What are we gonna do if a) stevenc shoves b) kyo shoves/raises big c) someone calls and turn is another 2 or something d) kyo calls and leads a Tc turn big/shoves (pot is about 64 and we got 84 behind) (afaik we gotta fold non-heart/K/T turns?)

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=3840
KT on JT7hh 3way. Are you less likely to cbet here if either of them is pretty aggro? One thing that I find annoying with betting these spots for value is it's quite often pretty hard to see the real money with like half the deck being bad and it's kinda hard to know when they're bluffing. Are we gonna bet and how big if binxer calls the flop and the turn blanks? If krieg calls we should have pretty poor equity on a blank turn vs him so what's the plan?

hand 1: yea, bet/call and be pretty happy with it... not fist pumping, but not crying either. Yea we don't necessarily expect tons of worse Ax, but people will just confusion shove there with weird hands some % of the time. Also the fish was in between us when we squeezed pf, which widens the pf caller's range

hand 2:

when we raise this hand, we're pretty much going with it. It's going to be pretty hard for them to have a range here that prices us out of calling it off, even if we're not super happy about it. The small raise is to get a cheap turn if we want it, or to set up the pot to continue barreling.

If kyo calls and leads a non improving turn, we're most likely folding.

hand 3:

i prefer betting there with position because we protect our equity in the pot, we have a chance to play well on bad turns/rivers with position and we can get called by worse hands and worse draws. Part of the value here is just from hand protection, because like you said, half the deck is bad. It's not such a bad thing when we're heads up, and we can let some bad cards slide off vs 1 other player, but dont forget we stand to take over a lot of equity if we get someone to fold like a gutshot and an overcard here.

I dont necssarily agree with your assessment that we have poor equity on blank turns vs either of their calling ranges individually. Vs both of them together, i definitely agree. I'd probably bet a blank turn and check behind on the river vs players I expect are too loose. Vs tight players i think checking behind the turn to induce from busted draws and/or value bet our second pair vs worse hands on the river is fine.

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lets say we had AQo instead of 99 in BvB vs the TAG. what would we do here?

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Right table AA

Do you think that there may be some value in betting less on the turn? If for instance he has 77-99 and the T comes on the turn. He may think that you still may have AK and look you up when you bet weak like 40-45. You may still easily bet the rest on the river when called.

Right table AA

Do you think that there may be some value in betting less on the turn? If for instance he has 77-99 and the T comes on the turn. He may think that you still may have AK and look you up when you bet weak like 40-45. You may still easily bet the rest on the river when called.

yea i think betting a bit smaller than we did is reasonable. Its been a while since I did the video, but the guy seemed like a big fish right? i'm not necessarily convinced he's folding 77-99 all that often on the turn anyway, but betting a little smaller can't really hurt as we've got so much of our stack in there aren't many cards where we are giving up on the river (6s prob about it)