Poker Video: No Limit Hold 'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Looking forward to this new episode Hope that its as good as the other ones were.

I get an error when I try to download the wmv version of this vid.

Love all the isolating discussion and the solid play. Too damn bad we didn't get action on the limp/reraise with aces

Good series guys, can't wait to see the final two eps.

Question re: AKo discussion if tight player (googleboy?) had 3-bet (you had to know there was going to be at least ONE question about this )

1) What if you had had QQ in that spot and googleboy 3-bet?
2) What if you had had KK in that spot and googleboy 3-bet and the flop came out something like Q74r and google-boy leads into you? What would you do - auto-fold, re-raise or call?
3) What if you had had a suited connector - say something like 910s? Would you ever consider flatting googleboy's 3-bet and taking advantage of your position in order to win a big pot if the flop came favorably to you?
4) I haven't seen any big bluffs in these vids...do you not consider bluffing to be a profitable strategy at the lower stakes because the likelyhood of getting looked up is greater than at higher stakes?

2) What if you had had KK in that spot and googleboy 3-bet and the flop came out something like Q74r and google-boy leads into you? What would you do - auto-fold, re-raise or call?

Oops...need to clarify this a bit. So you have KK and googleboy 3-bets you - raise, call or fold? Let's say you 4-bet and google-boy re-raises you all-in, would you fold? OK, let's say you 4-bet and googleboy calls and then the flop situation above happens, what then?

Happy for the table to get distributed. Will speak t Rob about how to upload it!

Ship it to me via email and I'll put it up on the site.

Rob

4) I haven't seen any big bluffs in these vids...do you not consider bluffing to be a profitable strategy at the lower stakes because the likelihood of getting looked up is greater than at higher stakes?

depends on your playing style probably. Showdown and non-showdown winnings might dominate one's game although doesn't mean that one of those will dominate a specific stake/level. For say I used to have sick non-showdown winnings and was break-even on showdown ones. That turned around, but not because of me switching levels just because I started playing more tables and I don't feel like I have to pressure everyone at all times and I don't try to win all the pots.

Bluffing can be profitable, although not at all necessary to beat NL50 IMO(don't want to say about 100 just yet).

Also: c-betting is bluffing too. it's just not so sophisticated.

disagree about bluffing being unprofitable about 50nl. there are tons of regs willing to give you small pot after small pot.

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

meh youre gonna turn into a weak-tight nit with this attitude. should always be looking for the +EV play, not the easiest play. you can beat 50NL for nearly 10ptbb/100 if you learn how to exploit tags.

Another question:

What is idea behind check-raising sets (i.e., 44 hand on 2-diamond board)? Is the idea merely to get more money in the pot on a board that is dangerous for our hand? What if the flop had been drier - say something like A104r - would you still advocate a check-raise? Does anyone see the merits in merely check-calling and then raising the river, assuming that the other guy continues to barrell the turn and river? I ask because I see many many people at 50NL doing the check-raise on very very dry boards with their sets so often that it becomes very transparent and it seems so much less profitable (of course these are also the people who don't check-raise their flush draws and two pair so it's a good bet to assume that they have the set when they do check-raise). In my scenario of the A104r flop, wouldn't a check-raise scare our opponent if he's holding hands like AJ, AQ that would probably still continue betting if we just called? Is check-calling with sets a fishie play?

Oops...need to clarify this a bit. So you have KK and googleboy 3-bets you - raise, call or fold? Let's say you 4-bet and google-boy re-raises you all-in, would you fold? OK, let's say you 4-bet and googleboy calls and then the flop situation above happens, what then?

i wouldnt 4bet KK with the intention of folding. i would probably call and see a flop from there. 4betting to get it in wouldn't be bad either, but we're not entirely sure what he does with AK or QQ

reread. didn't say not profitable. It is, but you can beat NL50 without it easily. With it you will have just a bigger winrate IMO

was targeting his question why there's no big bluffs in the videos. I made a guess, that because it's not necessary to beat those stakes and also WiltonTilt not trying to raise everyone into a spewmonkey might be wrong though

ask any of my students, i have no problem running big bluffs lol. I just felt like no good spots to run a big bluff came up and I'm not one for mindlessly barreling off stacks w/o some reasoning

if you guys saw some spots you would have ran bluffs that I didn't, certainly post the timestamp and we can talk about them. it's also possible that i was rambling off about something and missed some profitable bluff opportunities.

But to more directly respond to your comment, I definitely think that finding and recognizing spots at these stakes to take pots away from regulars is pivotal for achieving the highest winrate you can as well as getting yourself experience when you're ready to move up into the mid stakes. Bluffing is definitely profitable here, we just need to target the right people and have reasons for why we're doing what we're doing -- similar to the AsKs hand in the hand history review we did a couple weeks back.

WoT

About the betsizing of that last AA hand, don't you think you're betting a bit too big on the turn? It's not like you really are afraid of anything that can comes on the river, and if you bet full pot on the flop and almost full pot on the turn I feel that even a fish can get away from something marginal. I would have bet something like 52, and if he calls that the pot would be something like 150 on the river with 70 behind, so again a bet that is going to offer him great odds on a call.

Another question:

What is idea behind check-raising sets (i.e., 44 hand on 2-diamond board)? Is the idea merely to get more money in the pot on a board that is dangerous for our hand? What if the flop had been drier - say something like A104r - would you still advocate a check-raise? Does anyone see the merits in merely check-calling and then raising the river, assuming that the other guy continues to barrell the turn and river? I ask because I see many many people at 50NL doing the check-raise on very very dry boards with their sets so often that it becomes very transparent and it seems so much less profitable (of course these are also the people who don't check-raise their flush draws and two pair so it's a good bet to assume that they have the set when they do check-raise). In my scenario of the A104r flop, wouldn't a check-raise scare our opponent if he's holding hands like AJ, AQ that would probably still continue betting if we just called? Is check-calling with sets a fishie play?

imo people aren't aggressive enough with their bluffs and not smart enough with their value bets to slowplay a hand like that out of position. we're fastplaying good hands on a board like AT4r because our $ is giong to come the times where they have a made hand on the flop that can't get away, not when they turn a second best hand. also A high dry boards are "good" (quotes because it's not that good against good/aware opponents) to bluff raise because people often play face up on those boards.

if you're playing against a lag maniac, sure go ahead and slowplay, but against the vast majority at small stakes you need to just bet and raise your hands for value to ensure you get their stack when they have something to stack off with.

if people are constantly getting away from AJ or AQ on AT4 you should be bluff checkraising them relentlessly.

41:40 You fold QTS in SB vs BTN open. You had been pounding on him w/3 bets. I usually just call here oop, is this a leak? Early in the video you fold JTs on the BTN vs. an UTG open. Why is this a fold? BVB you open 99 in SB and get reraised by the BB and fold. He was 18/15 with a 3B% of 6.4. I must be a calling station because I can't find the fold button here.

one of the things I have found at this level is that actually keeping my cbet size smaller when I have it induces alot more wild ridiculous bluffs which makes it so easy to get paid. Now unless he is a player so prone to calling I will raise my bet size but loose players that raise alot you save money on ur c bets with air and it induces alot of action. This has just been my expierience at this level. Also you hit the nail on the head that players at this level play so face up on the turn and river that basically any hand i am checked to in a decent size pot I fire a good size VB looking bet and have had alot of succes. But the vids are great just sucks how bad Alex ran the first few.

best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.

aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.

alex, great job man.

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

Thanks again

opps, was meant to post this on episode 7

First, let me say I love this series and I think you're a great coach Aaron.

Around 51:00 the villain on the right hand table, who min raised UTG and c-bet flop, makes a very small bet on the turn, which is an ace. We now hold 99 on a board of 2Q7A . Despite getting a good price, we opt to fold. This seems like pretty standard stuff based solely on board texture and villain's stats.

You said "We don't have any indication he's going to be two barrel bluffing." However, this was the same guy who tried a hopeless bluff around 41:00 with 22 on a board of A4Q8T. And this was after insta-cold calling a pre-flop 3-bet OOP against the villain who reraised A7 OTB. In that hand villain took a similar line of making tiny bets that gave a really good price to callers. So obviously this guy is a retard. But getting past that, I think the ace hits his perceived very narrow pre flop raising range (which probably includes AKs , no?) so we should fold anyway.

But my question is as follows: if the turn were a blank, do we fold 99 anyway based on his stats? If we were focusing more on his line with 22 earlier, does it affect our decision here? How often do you think he randomly shows up with another small pair in this spot, if ever?

great question. i screwed this up and forgot to take the other hand at 41:00 into consideration. we should be calling the turn there on the 99 hand based on that read of the 22 hand. he could be "value betting" worse pairs there. it appears on the 22 hand, he sort of bet because he wasn't sure what else to do. a player like that is too unpredictable to be making this sort of fold on the turn getting that sort of price. Like I mentioned in the vid too... if he bet bigger i probably like a call as well, when he bets small like that I assumed it's mostly going to be Qx that doesnt want to bet big on the "scare card".

we'd call a turn blank as well, given the read. I think he randomly shows up w/ a smaller pair here a lot (at least relative to the pot odds we're getting)

Time Link to 00:46:02

Is it just me or does WhiteHeat stop listening to the coaching every now and again?

with the AKo oop you cbet on the Q82FD board. DO you think your cbet is a little bit too much? I would think 5.75 would do the same job as 7. Just imo.

Yea you're probably right

slid video, enjoyed

Great series, thanks imo

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=1424
What were you planning vs a raise on flop with AJo on the 7d2cAc board? And I'm gonna guess turn 6h was a bet/call, probably not too excited tho?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=2724
KThh on 742hh. What are we gonna do if a) stevenc shoves b) kyo shoves/raises big c) someone calls and turn is another 2 or something d) kyo calls and leads a Tc turn big/shoves (pot is about 64 and we got 84 behind) (afaik we gotta fold non-heart/K/T turns?)

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=3840
KT on JT7hh 3way. Are you less likely to cbet here if either of them is pretty aggro? One thing that I find annoying with betting these spots for value is it's quite often pretty hard to see the real money with like half the deck being bad and it's kinda hard to know when they're bluffing. Are we gonna bet and how big if binxer calls the flop and the turn blanks? If krieg calls we should have pretty poor equity on a blank turn vs him so what's the plan?

hand 1: yea, bet/call and be pretty happy with it... not fist pumping, but not crying either. Yea we don't necessarily expect tons of worse Ax, but people will just confusion shove there with weird hands some % of the time. Also the fish was in between us when we squeezed pf, which widens the pf caller's range

hand 2:

when we raise this hand, we're pretty much going with it. It's going to be pretty hard for them to have a range here that prices us out of calling it off, even if we're not super happy about it. The small raise is to get a cheap turn if we want it, or to set up the pot to continue barreling.

If kyo calls and leads a non improving turn, we're most likely folding.

hand 3:

i prefer betting there with position because we protect our equity in the pot, we have a chance to play well on bad turns/rivers with position and we can get called by worse hands and worse draws. Part of the value here is just from hand protection, because like you said, half the deck is bad. It's not such a bad thing when we're heads up, and we can let some bad cards slide off vs 1 other player, but dont forget we stand to take over a lot of equity if we get someone to fold like a gutshot and an overcard here.

I dont necssarily agree with your assessment that we have poor equity on blank turns vs either of their calling ranges individually. Vs both of them together, i definitely agree. I'd probably bet a blank turn and check behind on the river vs players I expect are too loose. Vs tight players i think checking behind the turn to induce from busted draws and/or value bet our second pair vs worse hands on the river is fine.