Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Ansky (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:06:26

What do you think is his range here he is check/raising? Wouldn't he be c-betting his value hands ( overpairs, sets, toppair etc) and check/calling his draws and weak made hands?

He's really not repping a lot here I think. What do you think of making a small 3bet here, or click-it-back?

Time Link to 00:44:01

You're talking about 3betting junkier hands here (instead of good ones) and hot/cold equity. A couple (fishy?) questions:
1) Does hot/cold equity refer to basically getting it in pre and letting the board run out?
2) Do we expect to cbet and take it down with the junkier hands if called when we're OOP?
3) Does a smaller stack to pot ratio dictate that we HAVE to get it in with any piece? Are we going all the way with, for example, K5 on a KT4 two tone or 852 rainbow?

Thanks!

wow, my day just became better. Ansky

Time Link to 00:35:22

jumo

Finally!!! A high stakes fullring ipod video. Your the man!!!

at around 31 minutes what do you think about omlphaotus's flop play. It seems pretty terrible to me, is there something I'm missing?

I believe you just never ever can fold pocket kings here. Especially not against Omlphalotus. There are a lot of hand combos he can have that you beat (U mentioned A10s, QJ which he would prob would play the exact same way, also I think he would play Q10s Q9s (picked up the str8+fd on turn)like this. Sometimes he just wants to finish the hand and cr with a hand like AQo ( very rare but he maybe doesnt want to see a bad river and u still can payout him with KQ sometimes). All in all, I think you would become pretty expoloitable if you would fold kings in situaitons like this, especially because you dont have special reads on him.
(Btw how can BT play on stars when he is an ftp pro?)

PS: Im a calling station
PS2: My english is baad but I hope that make sense

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

uhhhhh first of all, most of his losses are in super high variance HU matches, second of all, his BB/100 is positive.

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

...

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

o nice lvl

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

Why are you studying poker in general?

uhhhhh first of all, most of his losses are in super high variance HU matches

You are right, i didn't look at the breakdown

o nice lvl

Not a level or trying to be a dick. I always look the coach up and see how they're doing. There are a lot of coaches on this site who crush their particular game (ie Threads, Sounded Simple, DiscoBisco, etc.). I think wanting to know how well a coach does is fair enough.

Btw, I also looked up all the vils on the table and they all had solid winning graphs...

Why are you studying poker in general?

70% to make money
15% i like the game
15% ego

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

I'm just curious, do you think I'm a trust fund baby or something? Where do you think I make my money? Do you think my internet persona is a hoax?

I know I'm supposed to be respectful here because I work for the site and you are a paying member, but the customer isn't always right and in this case isn't always respectful. When this comes from random idiots in NVG on 2p2 I feel comfortable ignoring it and don't pay much attention, but when it's so personal and its on DC I feel like I need to respond.

The naivete that you have is enraging. What makes you so confident that tableratings is accurate? As far as I can tell, they haven't tracked any hands where run it twice is on, and ever since FTP introduced that I have been on a real nice heater. I mean I don't even know what else to say, it isn't accurate and if you don't believe me, then don't watch my videos. Or, better yet, play me heads up and find out for yourself. It's amazing the people who make these posts of yours. It's always people who have never played me.

Emil has been crushing more than just about anyone I know recently, but you of course would believe that he is a 1m dollar loser.

I will say I am down about 150k playing 25/50 HU in the last 4-5 months, and it's gotten a big part of that downswing. Luckily I have done really well in 6m games and PLO since then, and I haven't had much to complain about. If you don't believe me, that's fine.

Carry on.

I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, but my post obv comes across that way. I have seen many coache's graphs on various training sites and i always feel like saying something, so this time i just did. I know nothing about high stakes, i only play micro-small stakes and i am naive in this respect. I regret the post and I apologize.

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

lol these posts tilt me so bad

why dont u openraise every button with these big antes 130bb deep?

at around 31 minutes what do you think about omlphaotus's flop play. It seems pretty terrible to me, is there something I'm missing?

That was my impression too, so love additional insight.

The guy's getting just about 10:1 with fully implied odds, and I suppose he's got a BD FD and possibly pair outs some of the time--but how often does he expect to get to SD here w/o spiking his gutter? On a paired board no less.

I'm just curious, do you think I'm a trust fund baby or something? Where do you think I make my money? Do you think my internet persona is a hoax?

I know I'm supposed to be respectful here because I work for the site and you are a paying member, but the customer isn't always right and in this case isn't always respectful. When this comes from random idiots in NVG on 2p2 I feel comfortable ignoring it and don't pay much attention, but when it's so personal and its on DC I feel like I need to respond.

The naivete that you have is enraging. What makes you so confident that tableratings is accurate? As far as I can tell, they haven't tracked any hands where run it twice is on, and ever since FTP introduced that I have been on a real nice heater. I mean I don't even know what else to say, it isn't accurate and if you don't believe me, then don't watch my videos. Or, better yet, play me heads up and find out for yourself. It's amazing the people who make these posts of yours. It's always people who have never played me.

Emil has been crushing more than just about anyone I know recently, but you of course would believe that he is a 1m dollar loser.

I will say I am down about 150k playing 25/50 HU in the last 4-5 months, and it's gotten a big part of that downswing. Luckily I have done really well in 6m games and PLO since then, and I haven't had much to complain about. If you don't believe me, that's fine.

Carry on.

In my opinion your reply comes across as very thin skinned.

Maybe the poster could have phrased his question a bit more diplomatically but your "HU4ROLLZ" reply comes across as extremely defensive.

The member is not saying he is better than you.

He is asking if you can win at the levels you are making the video at?

Again in my opinion its a FAIR question to ASK if the coach can actually win at the level they play.

The recent Jason Ho and Stoxtrader scandals have shown that the word of a coach can not be trusted 100%.

The one thing that came out of the Jason Ho scandal was that many people were amazed that more questions were not asked of coaches and their ability to win.

The problem is if anyone dares ask a reasonable question they get shot down in flames instead of reasonable replies stating exactly what their winrate is at various levels.

PTR is not perfect by a long way but I have found it reasonably reliable for my own results.

Thats the only personal experience I can offer.

As a small stakes Full ring player I tend to follow coaches that have an excellent record in beating the games I am playing or higher over a decent sample.


Just at DC Nolan, Threads13, Sounded simple, Discobisco and NL Fool.

Without exception they all have excellent PTR graphs over large samples.

At other coaching sites I pay for membership I also follow a number of coaches who again have proven they can win over a large sample in games that I either play in or am close to playing in.

Is anyting I have said unreasonable?

I also have a follow up question related to the video and PTR.

I did a quick search of all the players you sat down with in this video and they are all pretty big winners at mid to high stakes.

There were no losing/big fish players at the table.

Can you give us your thought process on why you would sit down at such a table?

How much of an edge do you think you can have against such a line up?

Time Link to 00:31:32

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on his flop call, in the video you kind of brushed past it like it was standard but it seemed strange. Do you think he would ever look to bluff later in the hand or was it a call just for value?

Also, if T9 is in his range isn't an 8 also a strong possibility?

As a small stakes Full ring player

Is anyting I have said unreasonable?

Even IF someone were a loser at high stakes don't you think there is plenty to learn from them, especially if you play much lower?

In my opinion your reply comes across as very thin skinned.

Maybe the poster could have phrased his question a bit more diplomatically but your "HU4ROLLZ" reply comes across as extremely defensive.

The member is not saying he is better than you.

He is asking if you can win at the levels you are making the video at?

Again in my opinion its a FAIR question to ASK if the coach can actually win at the level they play.

The recent Jason Ho and Stoxtrader scandals have shown that the word of a coach can not be trusted 100%.

The one thing that came out of the Jason Ho scandal was that many people were amazed that more questions were not asked of coaches and their ability to win.

The problem is if anyone dares ask a reasonable question they get shot down in flames instead of reasonable replies stating exactly what their winrate is at various levels.

PTR is not perfect by a long way but I have found it reasonably reliable for my own results.

Thats the only personal experience I can offer.

As a small stakes Full ring player I tend to follow coaches that have an excellent record in beating the games I am playing or higher over a decent sample.


Just at DC Nolan, Threads13, Sounded simple, Discobisco and NL Fool.

Without exception they all have excellent PTR graphs over large samples.

At other coaching sites I pay for membership I also follow a number of coaches who again have proven they can win over a large sample in games that I either play in or am close to playing in.

Is anyting I have said unreasonable?

I am a lifetime small winner at 50/100, although that is with a sample size of less than 20k hands probably so it means next to nothing.

I have played probably more than 400k hands of 25/50 lifetime across all sites, and I am a winner, though I have broken even at it over the last 8 months or so.

I am a lifetime loser at all stakes above 50/100, though again it's with a pretty small sample. If you think this is reason enough not to watch me playing 50/100, then I really have nothing to say to that, it is your prerogative.

And regarding what you interpret as him "asking" if I win at the stakes I play, all I have to say is, did we read the same post? He assumed I didn't win at poker (at all), and asked why he should give a shit what I have to say. So I responded with a similar level of respect as I received.

ill post graphs when i switch to my other computer in a minute

I also have a follow up question related to the video and PTR.

I did a quick search of all the players you sat down with in this video and they are all pretty big winners at mid to high stakes.

There were no losing/big fish players at the table.

Can you give us your thought process on why you would sit down at such a table?

How much of an edge do you think you can have against such a line up?

I am very happy to give away basically everything I got in my head when I make a video . You guys are paying for our strategy and understanding of the game, and I respond with everything I got. One thing I will not reveal, are things like super specific reads I have on my regular opponents, tendencies I think they have, and their weaknesses.

Your post exemplifies everything that is wrong with the new culture of PTR in online poker. You look at a lineup as a small/mid stakes player and see the bottom line as some sort of function of the collective negative win rates of the fish at the table. This is pretty reasonable when you have your pick of 30+ tables that are running, and you play 9-27 tables or whatever you play. At higher stakes though, I'd say things are a little different. First of all, just because someone wins on PTR, doesn't mean they are not a fish, or at least a weakish player. Secondly, there is more to a lineup than the collective pt/bb. There is also your position at the table. Third, players sometimes tilt. There are tables I wouldn't play at even if there was a fish at the table if I didn't like my spot, and if the other players at the table were all beasts.

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on his flop call, in the video you kind of brushed past it like it was standard but it seemed strange. Do you think he would ever look to bluff later in the hand or was it a call just for value?

Also, if T9 is in his range isn't an 8 also a strong possibility?

Eh, I think his flop call is reasonable. It might not be +EV but it's barely -EV at worst. He has very deceptive gutter, a bd flush draw, and possibly pair outs. He also might be able to win the pot later if I give up on a turn bet.

Yes some 8s are possible, it's definitely a stack off though.

why dont u openraise every button with these big antes 130bb deep?

Why min raise? I think you get called a ton. I'd prefer to raise 3x. I have no problem with possibly raising more than I was raising, but I think you just set yourself up to get relentlessly 3bet when you do it too much.

What do you think is his range here he is check/raising? Wouldn't he be c-betting his value hands ( overpairs, sets, toppair etc) and check/calling his draws and weak made hands?

He's really not repping a lot here I think. What do you think of making a small 3bet here, or click-it-back?

A lot of assumptions in this post I don't agree with. Seems like you'd be pretty easy to level .

You're talking about 3betting junkier hands here (instead of good ones) and hot/cold equity. A couple (fishy?) questions:
1) Does hot/cold equity refer to basically getting it in pre and letting the board run out?
2) Do we expect to cbet and take it down with the junkier hands if called when we're OOP?
3) Does a smaller stack to pot ratio dictate that we HAVE to get it in with any piece? Are we going all the way with, for example, K5 on a KT4 two tone or 852 rainbow?

Thanks!

1) Yes when I say hot/cold equity I mean just heads up all in equity. ie, the difference in equity between 96s vs AK and 98s vs AK is 2%-- but obviously 98s is a much better hand.

2) sometimes?

3) No definitely not have to, but it certainly makes it more likely to play for stacks when you have 3x pot with top pair shitty kicker, vs 15x pot.

This is more or less everything on my desktop, most of it is from middle of 09 and on. I am not going to make a habit of this, consider this a one time thing thanks to dwater.

First graph is 25/50 NL (everything), Second is 5/10+ 6m only, Third is heads up where I have gotten smoked lately (like I said). Also this probably represents half (?) of my hands since I often play on my mac and I don't use pt on there.

Also I feel like none of the run it twice hands are on here, which have been a huge % in the last 6 months.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7181/2550everything.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9392/everything6m.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5931/headsupeverything.jpg

This is more or less everything on my desktop, most of it is from middle of 09 and on. I am not going to make a habit of this, consider this a one time thing thanks to dwater.

First graph is 25/50 NL (everything), Second is 5/10+ 6m only, Third is heads up where I have gotten smoked lately (like I said). Also this probably represents half (?) of my hands since I often play on my mac and I don't use pt on there.

Also I feel like none of the run it twice hands are on here, which have been a huge % in the last 6 months.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7181/2550everything.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9392/everything6m.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5931/headsupeverything.jpg

Thats cool, I respect your honesty.

By some of your replies you still seem a bit tilted by people asking questions.

I am asking reasonable questions because I want to learn.

Thats the reason I (and others here) pay a membership fee every month.

Lets see the problem from my (the students) point of view.

I want to learn and get better, so who do I watch to get better?

How do I judge the quality of what I am being taught?

Can you understand how tough it is being a student when coaches have no credentials to judge them by.

In academia there are reasonable standards that soemone must achieve to gain a qualification.

To me its very strange when coaches get very defensive about their results.

If PTR has missed out a ton of your hands then thats OK, I 100% believe you.......

Explain it in a reasonable manner with supplementing data and you will gain both acknowledgement and respect.

But when you start the "HU4ROllZ" or you are an idiot because you use the only source of info available (PTR) it just sounds weak.

I personally use PTR as one of my main sources to judge the quality of the coaching.

If someone has a better way to judge if a coach can beat a certain level (and therefore is likely supplying advice to help me beat that level)

I am more than willing to learn or try something different.

I wanted to also ask you about something you mentioned.

Also this probably represents half (?) of my hands since I often play on my mac and I don't use pt on there.

This left me scratching my head for a number of reasons.

Are you saying you never recorded half your totals hands, meaning that you never had the oppotunity to go back and reveiw the play of yourself and your opponents after the sessions were over?

I have seen many videos where coaches strongly suggest looking over session data.

Personally I tend to go over my bigger hands or hands I felt I have played badly to try and improve.

dwater if your going to make accusations as to how people come off, its only fair I warn you, you come off as a know it all. Not necessarily the worst thing, but not the most pleasant.

3) No definitely not have to, but it certainly makes it more likely to play for stacks when you have 3x pot with top pair shitty kicker, vs 15x pot.

Just want to hash out this 3betting junky hands concept a little more because it's really cool/revelatory to me. So far, it seems we can win (= play profitably) by 3betting junky hands in the following ways:

1) we get a fold pre-flop due to the stronger hands in our range

2) opponents will often fold to a cbet if they miss the flop

3) opponents cannot play speculative hands as profitably because implied odds are reduced

4) opponents cannot bluff/blow us off the best hand because we will easily stack off with relatively weaker hands like top pair no kicker or mid pair good kicker

5) opponents cannot play perfectly with good A-highs (their 3bet calling range?) against our 3bet range when we include junky hands because (at least one card in) our hand is more disguised

6) we can comfortably play very aggressively with comparatively weak hands if we think opponent missed

Some of these points stem from the reduced stack to pot ratio and are related, I think, but does that seem reasonable overall? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If there’s anything you can add/explain/clarify, that'd be great too.

Thanks!

PS. Fellow DC members, can we please focus more on learning poker? Ansky has made other videos before, I don’t see why we need to question his credentials at this time in this thread instead of having a fruitful discussion about poker or his play in the video. Also, use your own brain. If a coach’s advice seems patently absurd or illogical to you, or his advice simply isn’t working in your games and gives you bad results, raise questions to challenge his advice and explain why/how it doesn’t work or make sense. We could all learn from that. Don’t expect to mindlessly watch a coach’s videos and expect some kinda monkey see monkey do osmosis type learning to automatically transfer the coach’s winrate to your own.

PPS. Totally pressed back accidentally and deleted my entire post. Wow...

I wanted to also ask you about something you mentioned.



This left me scratching my head for a number of reasons.

Are you saying you never recorded half your totals hands, meaning that you never had the oppotunity to go back and reveiw the play of yourself and your opponents after the sessions were over?

I have seen many videos where coaches strongly suggest looking over session data.

Personally I tend to go over my bigger hands or hands I felt I have played badly to try and improve.

Of course I save all my HHs, and during sessions I leave notepad open to paste in big/trouble hands. I usually will review them on my own after, and if I still am curious what to do I send the hand to friends to review together.

tcblades QQ agree flatting turn is better, if river bricks completely thoughts on a value raise on river?

As played, pretty clear he was turning his hand into a bluff - but his value range is basically only JJ / A4s 54s that didnt cbet the flop.

Combo wise, he doesn't have to bluff / valueshove worse to make c/c with AQdd pretty safe.

I have so much respect for Ansky now it's borderline gay.

dwater - http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/7-Research-Development-/topics/88731-How-a-DC-coach-becomes-a-#posts-724001

if you have any other questions about why a coach is a member of our team, you can direct them to support@deucescracked.com, please keep this thread to questions and discussion related to the video.

Why min raise? I think you get called a ton. I'd prefer to raise 3x. I have no problem with possibly raising more than I was raising, but I think you just set yourself up to get relentlessly 3bet when you do it too much.

no i mean u openfolded T3o on the btn one time and i think in ante games where the ante is 1/4 of the bb u should openraise every button (3x might be best against most villains in the blinds)

tcblades QQ agree flatting turn is better, if river bricks completely thoughts on a value raise on river?

As played, pretty clear he was turning his hand into a bluff - but his value range is basically only JJ / A4s 54s that didnt cbet the flop.

Combo wise, he doesn't have to bluff / valueshove worse to make c/c with AQdd pretty safe.

I'd say no to the river raise, he needs to both be >50% vs abas calling range and have aba not raise.

Hey Dani,

it's not really relevant to this video as most of the action was actually more 6maxish most of the time with people sitting out but what do you think about openlimping your entire range in the first three positions 200+bb deep in tough games? I've been thinking about this and I actually think your range from EP is weighted towards hands that play well with a limp (pairs, some bigger suited connectors) or limp reraise (big pairs, AK) or get out cheap with a lot of action behind (AJo, KQo, AQo). The amount of money by picking up the blinds seems relatively small to playing big and deep pots OOP with your range being relatively easy to define. This might be more relevant in a non-ante game. Thoughts?

Hey Dani,

it's not really relevant to this video as most of the action was actually more 6maxish most of the time with people sitting out but what do you think about openlimping your entire range in the first three positions 200+bb deep in tough games? I've been thinking about this and I actually think your range from EP is weighted towards hands that play well with a limp (pairs, some bigger suited connectors) or limp reraise (big pairs, AK) or get out cheap with a lot of action behind (AJo, KQo, AQo). The amount of money by picking up the blinds seems relatively small to playing big and deep pots OOP with your range being relatively easy to define. This might be more relevant in a non-ante game. Thoughts?

Interesting.

I don't think entire range makes much sense, but definitely using a mixed strategy with it is probably a decent idea. Theres a lot of hands that you want to play but hate to get reraised that can be better to sometimes limp maybe.

Why should i be studying from someone who doesn't win?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/supernova9

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451

Just one more reason PTR is a cancer in the poker community.

Aba's avatar is classic

Time Link to 00:46:34

I understand you must bet the turn with de KK, but once he raises you is he ever doing this with AQ KQ TQ or even JQ, since there is AA and KK and QQ in your 3betting double barreling range so he might even check call JQ there, so its similar to the hand you talked about in the begining that hes only reasing with the most unlikely parts of his range, being those QQ T9s and 88 imo, so i honestly always see these mistakes and make them too to just not fold AA or KK there because theres a small chance he might be doing it with JQ, but i think the most part of the time its QQ 88 JJ he pealed with or maybe maaaybe AA but dont think so cause he would of 4bet it preflop, although i dont know how tricky european AA 4betting range works, so do we really want to put extra 5700 more with a hand that is very very unlikely to be good just for the pot odds and small chance its JQs?

Time Link to 00:31:32

On the KK hand, u say he almost never has AQ, KQ cause he usually check calls the turn with that hands, right? If you were on his spot, how much money would you need to have behind (effectively) to check shove the turn rather than just check call with AQ, KQ, JQ? And once you just call and the river comes a brick, you think it could be reasonable to fold AQ, JQ or KQ (specially) on the river against some players, given that you would be getting huge odds?

On the KK hand, u say he almost never has AQ, KQ cause he usually check calls the turn with that hands, right? If you were on his spot, how much money would you need to have behind (effectively) to check shove the turn rather than just check call with AQ, KQ, JQ? And once you just call and the river comes a brick, you think it could be reasonable to fold AQ, JQ or KQ (specially) on the river against some players, given that you would be getting huge odds?

Been a while, so hard to say. In hindsight I think w/ the small amount he had behind it wouldn't be so unreasonable for him to jam aq on the turn. Any shallower and it just becomes that much more manditory to stick it in in his spot w/ AQ.