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Enjoying the video so far, I'm just starting to really grind full ring myself. I hope this doesn't sound too noobish, but I don't mind asking it. The hand 10 minutes or so in where you call him down with your K7, why doesn't his line make sense? What was it about his betting that led you to that conclusion to make a great read like that? Trying to get inside your thought process.
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Sounded Simple
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Hey, yeah I'm working on expressing myself better during individual hands so questions like this on the forum are really welcome.
The guy limps the SB and I raise K7 which is pretty standard, you get a lot of folds both pre and post flop and you also have position to control the pot.
I'm pretty happy with the flop since I think that I'm ahead here the majority of the time. Even passive players tend to raise 77+ or A7/A4 so that leaves 74s maybe 44 and some random 4x that beat me.
When he raises it makes me wonder because a lot of players (I had no reads at this point so I treat him as being any of a number of possible types) won't CR weak 1pr hands. I dont take 7x out of his range and I still think that I'm reasonably ahead of his value range at this point.
Raising the CR is an option but given the super dryness of the board I just felt that there was so much junk that totally whiffs this flop that he has total junk a fair amount of the time, especially when given the flop he can "put me on AK" that misses.
The Q is a decent double barrel card (though I'm not sure if he realises this or just spews) but most of his Qx hands that he plays also would have raised pre-flop. Also when he bets the queen I'm more confident that he doesn't have A7 or 88-JJ since those hands will at least take a little more time to consider their options whereas his timing seemed to indicate that the Q didn't affect his plan all that much.
So that's what the commentary really should have been, in fairness it's pretty close and I don't dislike folding at any point. I erred on the side of station for the purpose of the vid.
Edit - Just to re-iterate making big call downs is not how we beat NL25, this was an not a typical hand and against a lot of uNL player types especially in some FR dynamics one pair won't be good for stacks.
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awesome, thanks for the response, totally get what you're saying now. If you would have raised his CR on the flop, do you begin to consider the idea that only something that beats you is calling there? (not sure if thats a correct statement, but it would be in my mind) Would there be much value in raising his CR with a paired board?
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awesome, thanks for the response, totally get what you're saying now. If you would have raised his CR on the flop, do you begin to consider the idea that only something that beats you is calling there? (not sure if thats a correct statement, but it would be in my mind) Would there be much value in raising his CR with a paired board?
There's an argument for raising, if we assume that 7x is a decent part of his range and he prob wont fold 85 then we are +EV to get it in, we not crushing his range but we are ahead I think.
If the pot on the flop was much bigger then I like just shipping to take it down rather than give him a look at 6 outs or whatever.
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~ 50 minutes in you open AQs in MP and get called by a shortstacker otb. Pot is $2.25 and sser has ~$3 left. Flop is J hi , all hearts and you cbet 1.80 and fold to his min raise shove. If I'm not willing to get it in there, I'm not cbetting. I can't remember the players stats, but don't you think you see the bare Ah or Kh (or something stupid) often enough to make a call OK getting over 4-1? Is it standard for you to b/f in this situation?
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I like your line of thinking in the K7 hand. Do you play much heads up? Do you coach HU? Will you be making any SSNLHU videos?
I do play NL50 and NL100 HU and I find it an excellent tool to sharpen my game.
No plans for the short term future to make any vids HU as I feel I'm competent but not at the high standard that you need to be to make DC vids in that field.
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~ 50 minutes in you open AQs in MP and get called by a shortstacker otb. Pot is $2.25 and sser has ~$3 left. Flop is J hi , all hearts and you cbet 1.80 and fold to his min raise shove. If I'm not willing to get it in there, I'm not cbetting. I can't remember the players stats, but don't you think you see the bare Ah or Kh (or something stupid) often enough to make a call OK getting over 4-1? Is it standard for you to b/f in this situation?
Ugghhh, totally misplayed by me. The correct play just shove here and let the shorty deal with it.
One exception might be if they were a super nit pro short stack, their hand range there would be slowplayed monsters so yes just c/f if that's the case.
That's something to keep in mind when you are isolating short stack fish with hands like broadways, often the correct play on a low flop will be to just ship it in - they will have to fold a decent amount plus you usually have a little something when they call.
Example 22bb fish limps, you have AJ consider isoing to 5.5 or 6 if you think he will come along, that leaves a pot of 12-13 and he has 16-17 behind so you can ship low flops and make him fold all that junk he limp/called with.
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