mkalish1
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Thanks for the rush video! I wanted to ask about the $22 bet into the $90 pot w AQ hand @ minute 26-
I see a lot of checks there from people w/ decent Qx scared that you were calling down w/ 2nd pair and hit trips on the river. Also some checks from people check/calling w/ decent Q's hoping you'll bluff missed draws like JT, gutters or your random floats.
do you think betting more like 60-70$ for the times he has KQ, QJ, QT is better than trying to get $22 from exactly JJ/TT (I know you said you want calls from A high also, but I basically never see A high calling anything here in rush at least in my experience. Im pretty sure most 5s and 4s fold to even $22 as well a lot of the time.
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goldseraph
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Hi Mkalish, thanks for the comment. I agree my bet should have been bigger to get more value from Qx/JJ/TT. I do think he calls once in a while with A hi because all of the straight draws missed and my bet is pretty small, he also seems a bit fishy.
I wanted to get a call from TT JJ, maybe even a worse pp that decides to bluff catch against such a small bet. In retrospect I do think its probably more +ev to just bet like $60-ish because he might even call that much with JJ TT.
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QuadDeuces
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Surprising lack of 3B from the blinds vs steals in the vid. I find a lot more 3B/4B /shove wars in steal spots compared with non-Rush games.
Have you found more 3B in your other Rush sessions? What adjustments do you advise?
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Thorrrr
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I really hate this bluff. What do you think he check/raises you with ? I dont know if he is a good or a bad player - if he's bad... he just doesnt know how to value bet. If he's good, he wanted to keep you in the hand on blank turn and tried to induce on the river. He may expect of you, to jam the nut flush draw to his flop min c/r, which you try to represent on the river. And frankly, why would he be worried of you hitting AK ? You wouldn't jam AKo on such coordinated board anyway, unless if you had history with him where you'd seen him c/r KT+ on such a flop.
Anyway, I dont want to ramble too much, I just think you could pick better spots to bluf.
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goldseraph
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Surprising lack of 3B from the blinds vs steals in the vid. I find a lot more 3B/4B /shove wars in steal spots compared with non-Rush games.
Have you found more 3B in your other Rush sessions? What adjustments do you advise?
Do you mean 3B's by me specifically or overall across all the players/tables? I am not a huge fan of 3betting wide from the blinds unless the raiser is folding too often, or calling excessively wide/playing bad postflop. I certainly haven't been 3B'ing from the blinds vs LP as liberally as past years, due to some strategic adjustments and evolution of the games. Besides that, it was a pretty small sample there will be a lot of variance in my 3bet frequency.
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goldseraph
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I really hate this bluff. What do you think he check/raises you with ? I dont know if he is a good or a bad player - if he's bad... he just doesnt know how to value bet. If he's good, he wanted to keep you in the hand on blank turn and tried to induce on the river. He may expect of you, to jam the nut flush draw to his flop min c/r, which you try to represent on the river. And frankly, why would he be worried of you hitting AK ? You wouldn't jam AKo on such coordinated board anyway, unless if you had history with him where you'd seen him c/r KT+ on such a flop.
Anyway, I dont want to ramble too much, I just think you could pick better spots to bluf.
There is $98 in the pot after his river bet, and I have to risk $163 to take it down. I could not see him calling enough to make it a -EV shove, and I stand by that, he just happened to have played QJ absurdly. The chance that he min-3bet pre from the blinds with QJ, check minraised it on an extremely wet flop, minbets turn, minbets river and calls a shove on the flush completer.... not very likely.
His line is much more often a one or two-pair hand that is trying to pot control and get to showdown, and most of those hands should fold to my shove. It is also of some importance that I have the Ah and Jd blockers.
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QuadDeuces
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Do you mean 3B's by me specifically or overall across all the players/tables?
Low 3B by Blinds vs your steals in this vid (but small sample). I find I get 3B a lot when stealing and, if I 4B, I get shoved on light a lot (in Rush NL50 but not at regular games eg I've had Blind 5BShove Villains show up with KTo, 55 and ATo). Steals at Rush NL50 feel more like 6-max than FR. Also I face a lot of players 3B BTN/CO vs an open regardless of my opening position. Many show no respect for UTG raises.
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RedRocket
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when you bet the AQ ond Q9xx9 so small on the river 22-90 you just said "he maybe thinks I have JT"...but in reality you will never bluff here so small with a busted draw...i would bet here something from 55-75, mainly just to polarize my range because many guys just think you are not able to valuebet a single Q that big and so you get bluffcatched more than with a small suckerbet IMO. on the other side you just get more value from his Qx which he is never folding.
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goldseraph
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redrocket do u have a time link? What you're saying sounds reasonable, one thing I will say is that even if it looks fishy to bet smallish, like I wouldn't bluff that small, people still get curious, and talk themselves into 'pot odds calls', or maybe think I'm value betting very thin. I also don't think many worse queens are going to call a 2/3 pot bet on the river on such a board but again I'd have to see the whole hand played out I don't remember the action.
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