GoldSeraph (#2)

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GoldSeraph (#2)

Goldseraph 4-tables $200NL and walks you through how to dominate at those levels, discussing a number of interesting hands along the way.

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Comments for GoldSeraph (#2)

Ulkis
Set of Deuces
385 posts
Joined 10/07

To fix the stats, start with HUD options, player preferences, and choose transparent background on upper right corner. Makes your stat panels see-through.

Pocket 22's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to move up to 200NL!

I know you hate shortstackers, but I can't remember having seeing a video yet on how to combat them.

Posted Aug 17, 2008 1:21pm

SlimboKarvell
Deuce High
35 posts
Joined 01/08

Thanks for the video, FR is always welcome! Some comments/questions:

- Calling cbet with 99 on A73: what do you do with 99 here? You are cbetting a lot here and he knows it. Should he just fold? He has the best hand a lot! I don't agree that he doesn't beat a lot! you could have a lot here isolating a limper and a poster. And as we saw you are not 3 barrell bluffing here that often without an A! He beats all PP lower than 99 an any other broadway cards you could have and would have played the same. Folding 99 on that flop is too weak in my opinion (except if you are know to only cbet like 40% or so).

- You 3 bet KQs out of the SB when a regular opens on the Button. Would'nt it be better to just flat? He has a lot of hands you dominate he is gonna fold to a 3bet and even if you're OOP, KQs is strong enough to play against a loose button opener.

- Q9s hand: OMG insta check on Ahi flop, he MUST have AA here You should play lower stakes once a week to get used to those "Fish tells".

- AKo: why not call and play a pot with a bad player? Bad player often can't fold QQ or KK when an overcard hits. Getting it all in preflop against that player with AKo seems not very +EV to me.

Posted Aug 17, 2008 2:27pm

AAmucked
Deuce High
16 posts
Joined 06/08

Slimbo I didn't make the video but I think KQs is better to 3bet because he's OOP, if he flats he has to c/f a lot even if he does dominate the regs opening range. Your argument makes more sense when he's in position against a CO open where he can float and take away more flops and not have to C/F as much, and he still keeps in dominated hands.

Posted Aug 17, 2008 7:04pm

tclark828
Pair of Deuces
203 posts
Joined 07/08

Nice vid man, very solid. I'd like to see a 12 or 16 tabling live vid. I know there wont be much commentary, but i would like to see your actions when playing alot of tables. How you handle 3bets, spots you try to avoid, etc. I think the majority of us are playing 9+ tables, so i think this would help us out. Maybe you spend the last 15 minutes reviewing key hands, or make a 2nd part that focuses on key hands, and how to handle certain spots with very limited time to make a decision.

Posted Aug 18, 2008 1:01am

oopsipooped
Deuce High
25 posts
Joined 01/08

Always appreciate the full ring. Good video.

Posted Aug 18, 2008 2:54am

Stackedu
Deuce High
15 posts
Joined 04/08

good video,

I would like to see you make a video in the replayer. That way the whole video is discussing tough hands without a lot of down time.

Posted Aug 18, 2008 3:18am

Relentless
Deuce High
1 post
Joined 08/08

Please do a 16-tabling vid. Also, I'd like to see you play 400NL.

Posted Aug 18, 2008 7:02am

ren99
Deuce High
3 posts
Joined 04/08

Does the last 10 minutes or so get cutoff for anyone else ?

Posted Aug 18, 2008 7:35am

comura
Deuce High
33 posts
Joined 01/08

Really liked the video, think you got into some pretty interesting spots. The 22's hand was just crazy!

Posted Aug 18, 2008 9:20am

Shaner
Deuce High
35 posts
Joined 06/08

I think a 12 or 16 table video would have a lot of benefits. Mainly because most full ring grinders play a lot of tables and it is a bit different 4 tabling then 12 tabling. But I think it has to be replayed and not live. I think in the replayer you can see gold in action multi tabling but he also gets to go over it and then focus on presenting it with his thoughts. Also we all know the more tables the less skilled players have an edge since they cant focus on the dynamics of the tables as much. So theres things he might do different that seem more +ev after he gets a second look and isnt in the moment of battle.
downside is you cant watch it on a small screen.

Posted Aug 18, 2008 12:24pm

DubsterVR6
Deuce High
16 posts
Joined 07/08

its so hard to see the pot size with your setup....the white font on the white cards are driving me CRAZY! good vid tho

Posted Aug 19, 2008 1:13pm

DubsterVR6
Deuce High
16 posts
Joined 07/08

do u get murdered at 400nl? I watch this and amd shocked lol I hate how u played the AK when he had 22...is the "gay bet" a full ring thing? I guess i just don't get being a 6max player...

Posted Aug 19, 2008 1:30pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

Thanks for the video, FR is always welcome! Some comments/questions:

- Calling cbet with 99 on A73: what do you do with 99 here? You are cbetting a lot here and he knows it. Should he just fold? He has the best hand a lot! I don't agree that he doesn't beat a lot! you could have a lot here isolating a limper and a poster. And as we saw you are not 3 barrell bluffing here that often without an A! He beats all PP lower than 99 an any other broadway cards you could have and would have played the same. Folding 99 on that flop is too weak in my opinion (except if you are know to only cbet like 40% or so).



Hi I feel like 3way OOP it is pretty light for him to call my cbet here, especially since he probably can't face 2-3 barrels of heat. Also he is losing to Ax, 22,33,77, TT-AA which is a considerable part of my range raising MP and cbetting into two players. Knowing that he makes such calls, I would have def double barreled him in such spots in the future.

- You 3 bet KQs out of the SB when a regular opens on the Button. Would'nt it be better to just flat? He has a lot of hands you dominate he is gonna fold to a 3bet and even if you're OOP, KQs is strong enough to play against a loose button opener.



I think IP it is usually better to flat, OOP I prefer a 3bet, esp against an aggressive LP raiser.

Posted Aug 19, 2008 5:22pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

its so hard to see the pot size with your setup....the white font on the white cards are driving me CRAZY! good vid tho



I know.. me too! I don't know how to fix this as the DC backgrounds all make this happen!

Posted Aug 19, 2008 5:23pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

I'll think about how to pull off a 12+ tabling video, a few of you wanna see it. So far you guys wanna see -

*12-16 tabling video
*HH replayer video
*400nl play

I'll try to work these into future videos, thanks for the comments!

Posted Aug 19, 2008 5:28pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

do u get murdered at 400nl? I watch this and amd shocked lol I hate how u played the AK when he had 22...is the "gay bet" a full ring thing? I guess i just don't get being a 6max player...



No, I don't... why would I? I don't understand what is so shocking can you explain? the gay bet is def not a full ring thing - check out raptor's videos on CR if you have a membership. He is a six max/short handed specialist who kinda started the whole thing. It isn't a line I'd take against a standard opponent but it worked well there in a situation where I felt I'm way ahead but trying to look tilty/weak while also extracting and possibly inducing a raise.

Posted Aug 19, 2008 5:31pm

SeanButton
Deuce High
4 posts
Joined 06/08

how much does he make a day playing full ring 200nl

Posted Aug 20, 2008 7:56am

EvilSky
Deuce High
51 posts
Joined 01/08


*400nl play


This

Posted Aug 20, 2008 9:22am

tubasteve
Quad Deuces
1994 posts
Joined 11/07

how much does he make a day playing full ring 200nl



not to be totally asinine and rude, but who cares? its not really a great measure of anything in particular except how many hands a day GS averages.

goldseraph: if you know how to use paint you should be able to darken your table, if you need a hand PM me.

Posted Aug 20, 2008 3:08pm

a-line
Deuce High
10 posts
Joined 07/08

Nice,like that vid..just keep coming!

Posted Aug 20, 2008 9:10pm

Aces up
Deuce High
5 posts
Joined 07/08

At about 28 minutes into the video (the AK hand) you say: "I really dont like just calling 3-bets with AK and playing fit-or-fold". So if you 4-bet and he calls (as it happened), yet miss the flop completely (say T72 rainbow), how would you have continued if he:
1. he bets into you (float?) or
2. he checks to you

Or did you just not want to flat call his bet due to the previous hand?

Posted Aug 22, 2008 7:27pm

tclark828
Pair of Deuces
203 posts
Joined 07/08

I'll think about how to pull off a 12+ tabling video, a few of you wanna see it. So far you guys wanna see -

*12-16 tabling video
*HH replayer video
*400nl play

I'll try to work these into future videos, thanks for the comments!



I think most of us that play FR are playing 9+ tables. I generally play 12-16. It would be great to see a live vid f you playing at least 12 tables. You won't be able to go itno specifics live, but i would learn alot from which situations you avoid when playing a lot of tables.... 2 ideas would be to play for 30 minutes and then pause and do a session review via the replayer, or make it a 2 part thing where you review key hands in part 2 and discuss a little bit about the dynamics of playing so many tables. Anyway thanks for the good vids.

Posted Aug 23, 2008 12:55am

TrippyTrippy
Deuce High
10 posts
Joined 06/08

for some reason I can only watch the first 6 minutes.
It's not like my membership has expired or anything.

Does anyone else got the same problem or is it just me?

Posted Aug 24, 2008 11:37pm

bluenosa
Deuce High
3 posts
Joined 08/08

Great video, lots of interesting situations and good commentary. Not sure why the SB's play of the 99 was so horrible.I would like to see a 16tbl+ video at 100 or 200 nl. Daut44 of cr made a live one a few months back 19tblg which is very good and so far the only one ive ever seen with more than 6tbls. I would agree with tclark-FR is made for multi-tblng and we pretty much all do it. A multi-part series is also a good idea.

Posted Aug 25, 2008 2:02am

Entity
Founder
Quad Deuces
2799 posts
Joined 11/06

for some reason I can only watch the first 6 minutes.
It's not like my membership has expired or anything.

Does anyone else got the same problem or is it just me?


It sounds like your computer isn't downloading the full versions or showing the full version in Flash for some reason. Try using a download manager for the downloadable versions, or upgrading your browser and Flash version for the online/Flash streaming version.

Rob

Posted Aug 25, 2008 2:45am

rytoast
Deuce High
3 posts
Joined 07/08

wow you run like hotter than god please teach me how to run that well, I don't think i've ran that well iny my life. Also why were there no more power point presentations?

Posted Aug 25, 2008 4:02am

husker
Deuce High
7 posts
Joined 07/08

I quite like the idea of a 'normal' 4 tabling video but split with somoe powerpoint showing some of the concepts that have cropped up.

Posted Aug 26, 2008 8:48pm

garydyber
Deuce High
3 posts
Joined 08/08

I know all about the gay bet and love using it against these type players. Like you said, it works great in this situation, especially when he thinks you may be on "tilt".

Nice vid.

Posted Aug 27, 2008 1:53am

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

At about 28 minutes into the video (the AK hand) you say: "I really dont like just calling 3-bets with AK and playing fit-or-fold". So if you 4-bet and he calls (as it happened), yet miss the flop completely (say T72 rainbow), how would you have continued if he:
1. he bets into you (float?) or
2. he checks to you

Or did you just not want to flat call his bet due to the previous hand?



Hi, if he had donk led the flop reasonably strong, and I totally whiffed, I would just fold. For him to flat a 4 bet OOP then lead generally is a huge hand, and I would have near zero fold equity. If he checked to me, I would have to bet call. I did make a mistake on this hand, my four bet is too large. I should have made it a bit over a minraise imo, so if he flats, I can possibly bet fold when I whiff. With the size of the pot here, I would have to bet call.

Posted Aug 28, 2008 5:26pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

Great video, lots of interesting situations and good commentary. Not sure why the SB's play of the 99 was so horrible.



It is bad because he is OOP, in a 3 way pot. Ax and larger pp's than his are a decent part of my range, and his hand is very unlikely to improve. So by calling on the flop, he doesn't have a good plan except hoping I give up on turn and river and just let him showdown vs my air. Is he going to call a second barrel on a blank turn? Fold on overcard turns? Call turn and river? Basically he is out on a limb, if this were a smaller, HU pot, or if he had position, he could consider flatting with 99 here speculatively.

Posted Aug 28, 2008 5:29pm

goldseraph
Pair of Deuces
122 posts
Joined 03/08

wow you run like hotter than god please teach me how to run that well, I don't think i've ran that well iny my life. Also why were there no more power point presentations?



Trust me this is the only time I ran hot in the last 2 months. I have probably run worse than anyone ever over the last 100k hands, this sesh was a much needed boost
I had a rather lengthy powerpoint in Vid 1, I figured people would want to see a straight forward video of me just playing. I will try to include some PP's in the future.

Posted Aug 28, 2008 5:32pm