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This is my first time watching a full ring video, and I noticed that hand reading seems much easier. Do you suggest full ring games for beginner players? There is much less three betting and much less LAG maniacs.
Also, many of the strategies from 6max are negated such as "Never limp from the small blind"... do you think this among other things makes these games easier?
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dl still not working for me - pops up a wmv window that doesn't work
Probably should check your browser settings or refresh our page (you may have loaded the page from before when DD fixed the filenames?). I've tried on Firefox/Mac and Firefox/PC and it downloads fine.
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Im trying to download todays vids and they wont work usually freedownload manager opens and downloads for me but now when i click on the wmp link windows media player opens and buffers the vid instead. I also tryied right clicking and saving but that just gets the shortcut to the vid. Any ideas?
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This is my first time watching a full ring video, and I noticed that hand reading seems much easier. Do you suggest full ring games for beginner players? There is much less three betting and much less LAG maniacs.
Also, many of the strategies from 6max are negated such as "Never limp from the small blind"... do you think this among other things makes these games easier?
If i was you id stick to learning a good solid 6max strategy. I played FR 1st and it was much harder for me learning 6max because i learned passive tendincies in FR. So i would stick to 6max and play FR to break up the play a bit and get you intrested.
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Im trying to download todays vids and they wont work usually freedownload manager opens and downloads for me but now when i click on the wmp link windows media player opens and buffers the vid instead. I also tryied right clicking and saving but that just gets the shortcut to the vid. Any ideas?
No idea, I'm downloading this vid fine using Free Download Manager right now by clicking the WMP link. You could try clearing out your cookies and cache -- it seems like something local to your connection since I can d/l on my Windows box just fine with the same settings (Firefox + FDM) but I really don't know for sure.
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stone
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On the deuces hand were you inclined to call because your nick is bottomset?
(j/k), anyways, it would have been nice if you went into your thought process a little more on that hand. You didn't really explain what range you put him on at the time you called or really go over what you think his range realistically was once you got the bad news. Ditto for the flop peel, are you peeling because you have implied odds to fill up or do you have to feel you are ahead at least some of the time to call the 3bet?
Apart from that a pretty solid video.
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Nice video, thx.
On the deuces hand, I think you realise that you weren't beating anything except a complete bluff.
On the pocket 8's hand, I think you were getting the right price to look him up. Unless the Queen on the river hit him, I think that you were good.
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entelechy
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Good video -- some interesting spots. I also never mind when instructors misplay hands, because: a) it makes me feel better when I make mistakes, and b) it often results in some interesting post-hand discussion about the nature of the error.
I really value the full-ring content on DC, so keep it up.
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About the 22 hand, I too would like to hear some of your thought process regarding his range, what if any effect your continuing raising his limps may have on that range, and just the fact that it is btn vs co and how that may effect things.
I read in your Well, that you came to FR from 6max and that you feel that toning things down is usually in order when making the transition, I am sure thats true because my thoughts are something like this:
Ok we are nearly 200 bb's deep and this is a sick spot, one I am not thrilled with...however
#1 flushes are hard as hell to flop
#2 limpers like to limp and can get pissed off when denied esp btn vs co
#3 there are several draws and worse made hands out there including pair and a high club, 2 pair, and less likely pockets with a flush draw that were slowplayed pre that may or may not consider folding here
Now yeah, if we take his actual hand you are in miserable shape, but if you allow for some of his possible hands, I dont know I may not be looking to fold.
Again, considering I have played mostly 6 max, I see this flop and I am getting it in.
I am really interested in what is correct at full ring, and what factors we need to be considering.
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punish15
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thx for the vid bottomset.
I'm not a big fan of the 88 hand, I just feel calling that small raise on the flop OOP really leads to so many tough spots on the turn and river. And it seemed like your plan was to just check/fold to further action, which if it is the case aren't you just a lot better off folding the flop? The player was particularly passive and although the board was connected I don't think there are many hands in his preflop range that make up draws on that flop, so when he raises us he is basically never raising a worse hand for value, and rarely has draws, so we are just hoping that he's bluffing AND he's going to stop firing on later streets. Also as a side note if you do think you are getting bluff raised on that flop what approach do you like to take to counter it? Would you consider check/calling the flop? Just calling him down on the turn and possibly the river? Do you ever consider turning your hand into a bluff and 3betting the flop?
thanks
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Ok watched the whole video a second time and took some notes -
2:30 - good point about reraising EP raises (with hands like QQ, if you fold to the 4bet you turned your hand into a bluff, if you make them fold you prob folded out the part of their range you're best against.)
6:00 - Aqo bb v sb - Hypothetically, I'd fold to a 4b here, since your read is only from 30 hands. If he was 19/15 over the long run id 5b ship it in.
9:35 - Top left table, QJo in SB. A 25/8 MP limps, a 19/11 isos from cutoff - would you ever squeeze here?
13:00 - Nice discussion of playing low pairs for set value
21:10 - You have to fold the 75 on the A7x board even to the minraisem, since he won't even have a half pot bet left if you call, and anything beating you is crushing you obv.
33:45 - Top right table, 22 flops set on monotone (400bb pot). IMO you cant fold the turn when it bricks after calling his flop raise. However, he limp called pre then wants to get 200 bbs in - this isn't often an Ax hand.
44:30 - Top right table with T8 suited LP raise, I like your line postflop. I may have value bet slightly more on the river (you bet 16 into 23 I think)
Very solid vid overall BS!
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