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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by BalugaWhale (Micro/Small Stakes)

WMV to follow shortly but wanted to push the release as I know we've been behind. Thank you as always for your patience.
-Rusty

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56/medium-stakes-pl-nl/bad-habit-3-betting-range-choice-146036/

WMV posted.
-Rusty

Oh... BalugaWhale was in my town....

can you please link the thread that you were talking about 11min in? the one with chaostricize(sp?).

I dunno if it is just me or I am in a bad mood when I watched this but that ninja dolphin biz is annoying.

On a positive note - I think BW should do a breakdown powerpoint style vid like terp on 3-betting - that would crystalise his framework alot better than the bit by bit stuff I seem to take out of all his videos.

Anyhow just a suggestion.

can you please link the thread that you were talking about 11min in? the one with chaostricize(sp?).

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56/medium-stakes-pl-nl/bad-habit-3-betting-range-choice-146036/

This is just a perfect serie for me rite now, tx a bunch Kristy/BW.

Thumb up for a 3bet breakdown powerpoint vid from Baluga.

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Am i hearing this correctly , facing a 3bet OOP you are never 4bet folding/bluffing ? nah that couldnt be right

That makes sense. Dont 4bet fold OOP and dont 4bet bluff OOP. Why would you want to 4bet, put in 28bb then fold? You are priced in to call most of the time.

What hands are you thinking are good to 4bet bluff with btw?

Am i hearing this correctly , facing a 3bet OOP you are never 4bet folding/bluffing ? nah that couldnt be right

you can 4bet bluff sometimes too! didnt say you couldn't. i only said its not good to 4bet a pocket pair or something good and fold.

Prima Network $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 688046
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $50.00
SB: $60.05
BB: $53.28
Hero (UTG): $51.70
MP: $51.43
CO: $59.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13

Heres an example of where i would 4bet fold.

Villian has 8% BTN 3b stat over solid sample
Read - have seen him 3bet/fold CO vs BTN

CO vs BTN would be more ideal but i would also 4bet/fold in that case.

That makes sense. Dont 4bet fold OOP and dont 4bet bluff OOP. Why would you want to 4bet, put in 28bb then fold? You are priced in to call most of the time.

What hands are you thinking are good to 4bet bluff with btw?

So you would let a guy 3bet you IP and not play back untill you got a good hand you where willing to call a 5bet shove with ? And then when we do 4bet call we need to assume this guy is 5bet shoving worse which we have no reason to think he is. Why would he since you have been folding to 80%+ of 3bets.

I love this series.

I love the way you teach Andrew. When Im rich enough you are defenatly on my short list of coaches.

Also Kristy Im so glad you take your time to answer Andrew's questions it gives me time to pause the tape and think of my answer before either of you have time to influence my decision.

This is a great series. I hope you wind up making it a marathon series like "never tell me the odds"

Trying to do my best on 50NL atm and this series is helping me out a LOT. Great way of explaining things BW!

So you would let a guy 3bet you IP and not play back untill you got a good hand you where willing to call a 5bet shove with ? And then when we do 4bet call we need to assume this guy is 5bet shoving worse which we have no reason to think he is. Why would he since you have been folding to 80%+ of 3bets.

BalugaWhale is saying not to 4 bet/fold pocket pairs with 100bb stacks. He is not saying do not 4 bet bluff with any hand. AJo (as in your example) is not a pocket pair.

So you would let a guy 3bet you IP and not play back untill you got a good hand you where willing to call a 5bet shove with ? And then when we do 4bet call we need to assume this guy is 5bet shoving worse which we have no reason to think he is. Why would he since you have been folding to 80%+ of 3bets.

it's not a matter of him shoving worse, is a matter of being priced in to call once you 4bet. in general you're not happy to call (without history) but you have to. But you expect the play to still be profitable because of all the times he has to fold to the 4bet.
If you had a very good idea of his 3betting range and his play in 3bet pots you can consider calling; since you generally don't, and are bound to make more mistakes than him oop, 4betting is better if his frequency is high enough that folding is not an option.

also, from a gto perspective, you need to call 5bets pretty frequently because 4bet/folding too much is insanely exploitable. pairs are the best hands to balance that.

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So because we saw that he called a hand like AJs after we 3 bet him UTG can we start 3 betting hands like AQo against his UTG raises for value with the idea that he will call which makes our 3 bet good? or is AJ at the bottom of his range so that he would probably be 4 betting us a ton and if he does 4 bet do we still like our AQ?

Second question:
If he shows up with having like JJ KK or AA there should we be more inclined to flat AKo in that spot or are we still 3 betting him? It seems like we hate getting 4 bet by an UTG raiser and flatting like you said before has more advantages with being able to shove on a squeezer.

So because we saw that he called a hand like AJs after we 3 bet him UTG can we start 3 betting hands like AQo against his UTG raises for value with the idea that he will call which makes our 3 bet good? or is AJ at the bottom of his range so that he would probably be 4 betting us a ton and if he does 4 bet do we still like our AQ?

Second question:
If he shows up with having like JJ KK or AA there should we be more inclined to flat AKo in that spot or are we still 3 betting him? It seems like we hate getting 4 bet by an UTG raiser and flatting like you said before has more advantages with being able to shove on a squeezer.

good q's

1) Yeah, we should be inclined to 3bet hands like AQo and such, and probably even wider (because even a hand like KQ has significant value against AJo when the AJ is OOP). We should also dislike 5betting our AQ because him calling OOP seems to indicate passivity.

2) Sure, we still haven't been shown that we can 3bet AKo for value (he hasnt called with bad stuff) and thus flatting still seems better.

Andrew

Just for fun andrew =

NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($87.30)
BB ($61.40)
UTG ($50.75)
UTG+1 ($56.60)
CO ($50)
Hero ($50.75)

Dealt to Hero T T

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, CO calls $1.75, Hero raises to $6.75, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $5

FLOP ($16) T J 8

CO checks, Hero bets $11, CO raises to $43.25 (AI), Hero calls $32.25

TURN ($102) T J 8 K

RIVER ($102) T J 8 K Q

Guess16 shows A A
(Pre 81%, Flop 12.1%, Turn 13.6%)

1Treuk_Flyyy (Me) shows T T
(Pre 19%, Flop 87.9%, Turn 86.4%)

CO wins $99.50

Kristy is sick !!

Lulz, we might have some technical difficulties, Im in the Himalayas, on a yak with diarrea, so we'll have to see how it goes. Wait stop the tape, why did we fold AK there? Hold on my yak farted.........

btw, this series is excellent, im just giving the whale the business, no one should read my joke and say to themselves i wont bother with the series. great series as per usual.

Love this series, especially the emphasis on preflop situations and 3betting, 4betting. Thanks guys!

BalugaWhale, your discussion on hands/reasons to 3bet have helped my all around poker game.
Thanks!

Loving the series!

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This is the article that Andrew is referencing.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56/medium-stakes-pl-nl/bad-habit-3-betting-range-choice-146036/

Time Link to 00:29:32

I'm a little confused as to why a K or T or would be good to c/bet w on the turn... i understand that it could possibly complete a draw that would scare away the villain, but it is also ANOTHER over card to our pair, and also there is a high chance of it giving him 2 pair.

are we staying aggressive because it gives us an out to a straight?

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what strong made hands are we representing on that board? other than sets, arent we pretty much repping mostly draws?

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if you get flatted, doesnt a lot of his flatting range consist of AQ and KQ that forfeit a lot of your outs?

what strong made hands are we representing on that board? other than sets, arent we pretty much repping mostly draws?

my bad i didnt realize we 3bet pre i thought we just flatted

Time Link to 00:14:15

Thx Kristy and Beluga for this awsome series!!!!!!!

Do you guys talk about flatting the 4 bet with QQ (AK) instead of 5 bet shoving?

Thx Kristy and Beluga for this awsome series!!!!!!!

Do you guys talk about flatting the 4 bet with QQ (AK) instead of 5 bet shoving?

They discussed it in the previou episode. Andrew said that we could sometimes flat if we are sure that we will not fold post flop - based on 100BB stack obviously.

Time Link to 00:22:50

WellI guess Black Friday solved a lot of (I don't know how you spell) "fowmo" situations.
And the games actually died...