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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

I'm afraid we can't tell you what "Whack 'em!" means, you just have to experience it at the tables. Good video so far, I really like this series and it's fun watching WhiteHeat's progress

The first rule about.....
I like the new screen. Great video as always.
Would you ever just flat call hands like 98off or 910 when you were deep against alton in position. You picked up those type of hands and folded to his opens with out much thought. Is it just that he is opening so many hands that the value of these type of hands against him goes down cuz you are rarely getting his stack?
Jlee

What WiltonTilt says at 36:30 min mark is pure genius...seems so elementary now but something I haven't really paid attention to earlier. Anyone who wants to better their game when facing a flop cbet check it out.

The first rule about.....
Is it just that he is opening so many hands that the value of these type of hands against him goes down cuz you are rarely getting his stack?
Jlee

we could play those hands in position (mostly playing for medium strength pairs and getting to showdown as opposed to trying to only hit a big hand) but i prefer to play them for a 3bet than a flat call. perhaps we should have looked closer at those situations as they came up (i dont recall folding them, but i might have been rambling on about something haha) But against a guy like that who is opening very wide and we're in position and we have a hand that is "OK" but not great, i somewhat prefer going for the 3bet just to take advantage of the fact that he's opening wide and still folding a fair amount (45%) to 3bets.

the other thing you have to be a little careful about with flat calling those types of hands is looking who is behind you because other tags at the table will be looking to also take advantage of him opening wide, so they are likely to go for more 3bets/squeeze plays. so if you have tight/passive guys behind you then you can flat call and play position more with those types of speculative hands, however if you have aggro guys behind you, you might consider going for a more aggressive action just so others can't take advantage of both of you.

good question!

Aaron

What WiltonTilt says at 36:30 min mark is pure genius...seems so elementary now but something I haven't really paid attention to earlier. Anyone who wants to better their game when facing a flop cbet check it out.

you'd be surprised how many guys at mid and high stakes nl don't get that concept. I see examples of it almost everyday when I play. it occurs a lot at heads up too when they check behind the flop.

Classic example, tag opens A5o from the button and another tag calls from the blind. Flop is A 7 2r check, then button decides he's going to really get tricky and check his ace back! muahaha he will never catch on! oh wait... it should be totally obvious that he has something here because A72r is like the best board ever to cbet. So when he doesn't cbet it...

don't be fooled!

At first I have to say, Tuuuuuubaaaaaaaaaaaa is in this video, so it's an instant 5.0 vote

Then my question is, when did u move up? And how much tables do u play, if there is no WiltOnTilt watching u .

Overall great series!! I saw ur 8PTBB Graph, good work.. I hope I can do it like u, I'm just on a tilt/downswing/breakeven stretch for months.. but I'm confident to do it better now..

WHACK 'EM!! ! !! !! !

Awesome as always guys, I really can't get enough.

Speaking of betting the A72 flop with A5 for value, I listen to the Cash Plays podcast on PokerRoad, and this week he brings up almost this exact scenario (A6o!) in a high stakes live hand where he checks back the flop IP to gain value whereas he says villain would otherwise always fold the flop to a bet.

Your logic makes perfect sense against good, thinking players et al, but what if the opponent is a complete fish and operating heavily on just the first level. Or perhaps he's very weak/tight fit or fold post-flop. Does the "muahaha, he will never catch on. /me twists mustache" line have more value in that spot occasionally, or are you just pretty much always betting there?

If not, what kinds of players are you looking to take that line against sometimes?

Thanks, you are teh manz!

best series ever imo

Awesome as always guys, I really can't get enough.

Speaking of betting the A72 flop with A5 for value, I listen to the Cash Plays podcast on PokerRoad, and this week he brings up almost this exact scenario (A6o!) in a high stakes live hand where he checks back the flop IP to gain value whereas he says villain would otherwise always fold the flop to a bet.

Your logic makes perfect sense against good, thinking players et al, but what if the opponent is a complete fish and operating heavily on just the first level. Or perhaps he's very weak/tight fit or fold post-flop. Does the "muahaha, he will never catch on. /me twists mustache" line have more value in that spot occasionally, or are you just pretty much always betting there?

If not, what kinds of players are you looking to take that line against sometimes?

Thanks, you are teh manz!

Good question xerocat. I think the play (checking back Ax on the flop) has merit vs the unaware and dumb/aggros... it's just that we (and now you guys!) are no longer unaware!

but also consider this... how many times have you cbet your QJ on that board only to be called by 44 or similar ? Pretty much always right? Also when you move up into the mid/higher games, people think they are tricksy by checkraise bluffing these types of dry boards. so now when you check you deny them the chance to try and bluff you with a big flop checkraise or call you light on the flop. the best way to represent air or a weak hand imo is to bet the flop and then check the turn like you're giving up, which also lets you get some value from weak made hands on the flop where you're always in a way ahead/way behind spot. the funny thing is some of these very guys end up calling the flop with a weak made hand and making a dumb value bet (or bluff?? we dont know and neither do they) by betting the river with a hand like 44.

certainly though, if you're playing against a guy you know who is dumb aggro and will just pounce on any sort of weakness for 2 big streets, or mistakenly value bet something like 7x when you check behind the A72, or who will fold everything but top pair+ to a flop c-bet, checking there has merit... like every non-standard play/thought process i've recommended in the series, we have to know who we're dealing with and play accordingly.

Your friend,
Tubasteve

(see ep4 thread for those of you who dont get it)

Then my question is, when did u move up? And how much tables do u play, if there is no WiltOnTilt watching u .


WHACK 'EM!! ! !! !! !

This was my first session at 100nl, without Aaron I am trying to table select well. So if there is 4 goods tables I play them, if there is 1 good table I play that.

best series ever imo

best comment ever imo

Just signed up. So many great concepts and solid play in one!

Your friend,
Tubasteve

haha, I really lol'd on this, and got some funny looks at that. Really being punished for that one

This was my first session at 100nl, without Aaron I am trying to table select well. So if there is 4 goods tables I play them, if there is 1 good table I play that.

I am a reg in these games and the tables you are at don't seem very good to me. Would you be sitting at these tables if not for the sake of the video?

Also, who do you play at FTP if you are in Australia? Can't you play on Euro sites that are softer?

Aaron and Steve, what are your thoughts on these tables?

I've been a member for about 2 months now and have been watching alot of these videos. I've really enjoy them and I am learning alot. In fact, I just had my first profitible week in 3 months. The going has been rough. The concept of 3 betting light is completely new to me and I'm trying to add it to my game. What I would like to know is how to defend against it. I've definitely noticed players at my tables that like to 3 bet alot with 2 limpers or a raiser / caller and I'm sure that they are 3 betting it light from the button or blinds. I don't want to fold! Should I 4 bet or call? I'm playing 50NL on Full Tilt.

Thanks,

docfreddc

I am a reg in these games and the tables you are at don't seem very good to me. Would you be sitting at these tables if not for the sake of the video?

Also, who do you play at FTP if you are in Australia? Can't you play on Euro sites that are softer?

Aaron and Steve, what are your thoughts on these tables?

the tables seemed fishy to me but i'm used to higher stakes and tougher players. can't really speak for how they compare to your average .5/1 game.

part of the reason we're having him play on FTP is because it reaches the widest audience.

Aaron

I've been a member for about 2 months now and have been watching alot of these videos. I've really enjoy them and I am learning alot. In fact, I just had my first profitible week in 3 months. The going has been rough. The concept of 3 betting light is completely new to me and I'm trying to add it to my game. What I would like to know is how to defend against it. I've definitely noticed players at my tables that like to 3 bet alot with 2 limpers or a raiser / caller and I'm sure that they are 3 betting it light from the button or blinds. I don't want to fold! Should I 4 bet or call? I'm playing 50NL on Full Tilt.

Thanks,

docfreddc

Hi doc, I can understand your frustrations with 3bet situations. Even my mid and high stakes nl students have problems in these spots because it's the toughest part of the game these days... unfortunately your question is so broad that it's kind of like asking "how do i play poker?" I don't blame you though because I know how tough it can be to get adjusted to the extra aggression as well as finding spots to add that into your own game.

Let me give you a few quick thoughts.

a) when a guy is 3betting you over and over, be inclined to give him more and more credit for each subsequent 3bet he makes on you (in general). If he's a tag in your games, chances are he realizes you're about to get frustrated with him because of a recent succession of 3bets so each extra 3bet is less and less likely to be light.

b) when you know a guy is capable of 3betting you light (either from history or datamine) and it's early in the session, be more inclined to play back at him the first time he does it. The mantra "well it's the first time he's done it so i'll give him credit..." is generally not correct against guys who you know are aggro and taking advantage of the weak. usually for these guys the first time is light.

c) if you want to 4bet bluff, be more inclined to do it when you're oop and more inclined to call in position and make some sort of move postflop. 4bet bluffing is not a very big part of my 6max strategy, but when I do 4bet for bluff or value it's small, say i open to 3bb, he makes it 10bb, i make it 24bb either for bluff or value.

d) don't be afraid to just fold. Although some of the regs might be exploiting you, if they are better than you it's often better to give up and get exploited in small pot then tangle with a player better than you in a big pot (esp if you think he has reason to feel you're getting frustrated).

Hope that helps a little... keep watching videos and take notes on the different ranges we're giving to players when we're in a 3bet pot.

Aaron

New member to DC, but finally got some time to watch the content and finished this series. If all the series are going to be like this with quality and commentary I definitely got my money's worth.
Also WhiteHeatSYD, congrats on what you achieved. Trying to walk the path you have been on and this series hopefully helped me a lot, so I don't get misguided by crazy thoughts along the way. Nice job sir - Love the accent.
WiltOnTilt: quality stuff throughout the series, also inviting TubaSteve to this episode was a really nice touch. And better not yell at the boy LOL

Keep it up guys

Hi doc, I can understand your frustrations with 3bet situations. Even my mid and high stakes nl students have problems in these spots because it's the toughest part of the game these days... unfortunately your question is so broad that it's kind of like asking "how do i play poker?" I don't blame you though because I know how tough it can be to get adjusted to the extra aggression as well as finding spots to add that into your own game.

Let me give you a few quick thoughts.

a) when a guy is 3betting you over and over, be inclined to give him more and more credit for each subsequent 3bet he makes on you (in general). If he's a tag in your games, chances are he realizes you're about to get frustrated with him because of a recent succession of 3bets so each extra 3bet is less and less likely to be light.

b) when you know a guy is capable of 3betting you light (either from history or datamine) and it's early in the session, be more inclined to play back at him the first time he does it. The mantra "well it's the first time he's done it so i'll give him credit..." is generally not correct against guys who you know are aggro and taking advantage of the weak. usually for these guys the first time is light.

c) if you want to 4bet bluff, be more inclined to do it when you're oop and more inclined to call in position and make some sort of move postflop. 4bet bluffing is not a very big part of my 6max strategy, but when I do 4bet for bluff or value it's small, say i open to 3bb, he makes it 10bb, i make it 24bb either for bluff or value.

d) don't be afraid to just fold. Although some of the regs might be exploiting you, if they are better than you it's often better to give up and get exploited in small pot then tangle with a player better than you in a big pot (esp if you think he has reason to feel you're getting frustrated).

Hope that helps a little... keep watching videos and take notes on the different ranges we're giving to players when we're in a 3bet pot.

Aaron

Wilt,

might be a stupid suggestion and I might be totally off, but a thing that really helped me to learn in 3bet pots was playing Headsup. I think all 6max players would benefit from it. I believe my hand reading got lots better (not hard starting from zero ) and also I am forced to play a lot of 3bet pots in position, when I decide to defend with calling and not by 4betting, and also OOP when I reraise some junk and villain is kind enough to call so we can tangle.
I am by no means great or even slightly good, but HU helped me lots so might want to advocate that to some of your students to cover 3bet pots?
what's your take on this?

bigacsiga - you are absolutely correct, HU can do wonders for your 6max game, especially as it relates to 3bet pots but also overall hand reading and getting you in the aggressive mindset. People often play much too passive postflop in 6max and that's one of the things that HU forces you to correct!

Thanks for the kind words... still got 3 more episodes to go in this series so stay tuned and let me know of any suggestions you might have to improve.

Thanks again!
Aaron

Good video

How did you write that thing on the table? "the proffesioal etc etc" I would like that on my tables too hehe cuz it sounds good when I really run bad

thanks

Good video

How did you write that thing on the table? "the proffesioal etc etc" I would like that on my tables too hehe cuz it sounds good when I really run bad

thanks

PM your email address and I will ship you the table if you want?

Also, who do you play at FTP if you are in Australia? Can't you play on Euro sites that are softer?

I play a bit on party as well, and some eurolinx (but the software tilts me).

PM your email address and I will ship you the table if you want?

Did 3 days ago

Thanks

cheers

Did 3 days ago

Thanks

cheers

Will make sure I do it tonight, been hammered at work.

This video stops at 11:00. I can't go past that mark either.

This video stops at 11:00. I can't go past that mark either.

Download the MP4 version instead of streaming; it's most likely that your browser isn't downloading the full version for some reason when you try to stream.

Rob

Yes, the stream works now anyhow. Something with my own connection etc I guess.

at 4:40

On this turn, considering the stack size of opponant, could you bet around $5? This will, if called create a pot of $20, with a remaining stack of $15, plus the small bet could look weak and induce a shove.