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FoxwoodsFiend breaks down some 6-max hand histories, examining a preflop spot with TT and some tricky lines that went wrong.
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Yay! Boy have i been waiting!! ![]()
At start loved your explanation.
Something that im confused about at the start is you puit villain on a 4betting calling shove range of AQ+/TT+.
I just dont necessarily agree with that and think that his range would more be QQ+/Ak or JJ+/AK as hands like TT and AQ would rather just defend to those 3bets (especially without history)
Am I thinking about this correctly?
If that is the case we would need to increase our fold equity to 43% which is a huge difference, and is where I really face tough spots as I cannot ever seeing having 43% equity if we 5bet shove.
Can I hear your thoughts on this....
Please never stop making videos!
Your calc on the EV of hero shoving is wrong.
You have the tie percentage as a decimal as 0.104 when it's actually 0.0104. Also, 428*0.3925 is 167.99, so we should round that to 168. Also, 167-212+3 = -42, not -45. That changes the math to:
168-212+0.3=-44
Your calc on the EV of hero shoving is wrong.
You have the tie percentage as a decimal as 0.104 when it's actually 0.0104. Also, 428*0.3925 is 167.99, so we should round that to 168. Also, 167-212+3 = -42, not -45. That changes the math to:
168-212+0.3=-44
wow it changes everything !
Your calc on the EV of hero shoving is wrong.
You have the tie percentage as a decimal as 0.104 when it's actually 0.0104. Also, 428*0.3925 is 167.99, so we should round that to 168. Also, 167-212+3 = -42, not -45. That changes the math to:
168-212+0.3=-44
So it's a clear fold then!
It changes nothing because the two mistakes just happened to even each other out
At start loved your explanation.
Something that im confused about at the start is you puit villain on a 4betting calling shove range of AQ+/TT+.
I just dont necessarily agree with that and think that his range would more be QQ+/Ak or JJ+/AK as hands like TT and AQ would rather just defend to those 3bets (especially without history)
Am I thinking about this correctly?
If that is the case we would need to increase our fold equity to 43% which is a huge difference, and is where I really face tough spots as I cannot ever seeing having 43% equity if we 5bet shove.
Can I hear your thoughts on this....
I think you're right. I don't think it makes much of a difference: I was just trying to show the methodology more than anything else, and that range was reasonably close enough to give a good sense of how much fold equity you need. Keep in mind he could 4bet call it off with KQ or 99 also: there's no clear answer as to what his range is, so i just picked one to illustrate the math
Your calc on the EV of hero shoving is wrong.
You have the tie percentage as a decimal as 0.104 when it's actually 0.0104. Also, 428*0.3925 is 167.99, so we should round that to 168. Also, 167-212+3 = -42, not -45. That changes the math to:
168-212+0.3=-44
i knew i'd do something like that wrong. hopefully the video was still salvageable
i knew i'd do something like that wrong. hopefully the video was still salvageable
The concepts are way more important than actually getting all the #s right ![]()
the numbers make my head hurt as always cause im an idiot but the hand reviews were pretty interesting
high five
This video is pure gold. Foxwood you are one of the best instructors on any coaching site I've been so far.
I also agree that to become a great player you need to understand those numbers and have them kinda in your head but too many including myself are too lazy to do that much of work =)
Keep the great videos coming!
I was just wondering if someone could convert the equations to a Excel sheet so we just could put in the numbers and get the equity?
My math knowledge isn't good enough to free X from the X*42+(1-X)(-91) equation. So it is enough if someone could solve just that part, then I can probably fix the excel sheet myself.
[Takes so much time to do all the calculations by hand when I want to test out different scenarios]
Great video!
Maybe the best video ever, on any site. Can´t wait until next one.
The concepts are way more important than actually getting all the #s right
sarcasm meter off?
Hey FoxwooodsFiend, I liked your analysis.
Haven´t had much time for poker the last couple of weeks, so I didn´t remember the results of the hands as I was watching.
I´m convinced that you are right about the 88 hand on the turn. The river would be tougher though if he bets a wide range on the turn as our hand is pretty face up. I guess calling some % of the time is the gametheoreticly correct way to do it if you don´t have an estimate on his bluffing frequencies.
I think you are right about the QQ as well. The reason I check-called it was to balance check-folds, but it may be too strong of a hand to do so?
I was pretty much kicking myself for not raising the river in the QQ as 55 is the only realistic hand that beats me. I think checking is probably right though as he is more likely to put money in that way either by valuebetting worse or trying to bluff me off A-high.
I think at the time I just couldn´t see what hands would call me, but I guess 99/TT,8x potcontrol that bet-calls is more likely than him checking back a big hand on the turn or boating up on the river.
As for the KT, I just think he folds the vast majority of the time after checking that board and my hand will be able to either valuebet or bluffcatch on a lot of turncards. Sure I can end up losing a medium pot more often this way, but it increases my chance of winning one more I think.
The Jack on the turn is a pretty bad card for him to barrel through as I will have it pretty often when I call the turn and people don´t expect you to fold toppair on the river in medium pots heads up. I would have called down on a lot of other cards though.
While I agree that he may not bluff all that often after checking the flop, I still think he will do it some of the time, after we both check.
Is it really a problem for me if he starts check-calling down really light oop on a board that can get very scary because he has seen me check behind a medium strenght hand once ?
I´d like to think that I´m cabeable of readjusting in a way were it doesn´t hurt me.
Hey FoxwooodsFiend, I liked your analysis.
Haven´t had much time for poker the last couple of weeks, so I didn´t remember the results of the hands as I was watching.
I´m convinced that you are right about the 88 hand on the turn. The river would be tougher though if he bets a wide range on the turn as our hand is pretty face up. I guess calling some % of the time is the gametheoreticly correct way to do it if you don´t have an estimate on his bluffing frequencies.
I think you are right about the QQ as well. The reason I check-called it was to balance check-folds, but it may be too strong of a hand to do so?
I was pretty much kicking myself for not raising the river in the QQ as 55 is the only realistic hand that beats me. I think checking is probably right though as he is more likely to put money in that way either by valuebetting worse or trying to bluff me off A-high.
I think at the time I just couldn´t see what hands would call me, but I guess 99/TT,8x potcontrol that bet-calls is more likely than him checking back a big hand on the turn or boating up on the river.
As for the KT, I just think he folds the vast majority of the time after checking that board and my hand will be able to either valuebet or bluffcatch on a lot of turncards. Sure I can end up losing a medium pot more often this way, but it increases my chance of winning one more I think.
The Jack on the turn is a pretty bad card for him to barrel through as I will have it pretty often when I call the turn and people don´t expect you to fold toppair on the river in medium pots heads up. I would have called down on a lot of other cards though.
While I agree that he may not bluff all that often after checking the flop, I still think he will do it some of the time, after we both check.
Is it really a problem for me if he starts check-calling down really light oop on a board that can get very scary because he has seen me check behind a medium strenght hand once ?
I´d like to think that I´m cabeable of readjusting in a way were it doesn´t hurt me.
the QQ play is a situation where the balancing check/folds is just not as important a consideration as getting it in on this flop with a monster: you get played back at here a lot and you're passing up the chance to play a big pot. you can balance your check/folds by calling with hands like AK or 89, but I wouldn't worry about that too much because you should be betting this flop a ton of the time with air anyway so not check/folding often.
as for your KT play, it's obviously not awful, i was just saying i think it's marginally bad in terms of losing value. and a check on that flop by the pfr is either giving up on the hand entirely (in which case no value in checking because just giving up free cards and not likely to be inducing many bluffs) or is a marginal hand going for pot control that we can extract value from. as for the "is it really a problem" question: i think it is because in bvb you have nothing a ton of the time and want to be able to win pots. Sure you can "adjust" by value betting more and bluffing less, but why in the world would you want to?
This video showed me y u won an FTOPS
I was just wondering if someone could convert the equations to a Excel sheet so we just could put in the numbers and get the equity?
My math knowledge isn't good enough to free X from the X*42+(1-X)(-91) equation. So it is enough if someone could solve just that part, then I can probably fix the excel sheet myself.
[Takes so much time to do all the calculations by hand when I want to test out different scenarios]
Great video!
I did just that. Here is the link to get it. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q33FZ1UH
Should pop up in a new window, then click the continue button on the top right of the screen. Enjoy
Dear FoxwoodFiend,
hep me be g00t at arithm3tics
-corsakh
@9:06 your weighing a 108% total. Nice ![]()
Yay I loved this video!
Dear FoxwoodFiend,
hep me be g00t at arithm3tics
-corsakh
@9:06 your weighing a 108% total. Nice
yawn, old news that i should have put down .0104. fortunately that was the smallest # and barely affects the final result at all.
i just deucescracked.com yesterday and this was my first video and it was great!! keep them coming.
Nice video once again. I really like the way you analyze each situation clearly and logically. Keep up the good work!
Hi
I am having problems with analysing the TT hand.
When we are calculating the EV of the allin push I don't get how we get 0.3925(394+32+2)+0.5868(-362)+0.0104(33). I thought the EV calc should be ($won from pot) + ($won from extra bets) - ($lost when called) which would make it 0.3925(32+99+2)+0.3925(318)-0.5868(362) which gives us a loss of $35.00. I ignored the split pot for simplicity as it is only a tiny amount.
any help where I am going wrong would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
i loved the part about prompting the question and not begging the question. obviously nothing to do about poker, so im not sure what that says about me.
if villain in the QQ vs 55 hand shoves to your c/r on the river, are u calling?
Hi
I am having problems with analysing the TT hand.
When we are calculating the EV of the allin push I don't get how we get 0.3925(394+32+2)+0.5868(-362)+0.0104(33). I thought the EV calc should be ($won from pot) + ($won from extra bets) - ($lost when called) which would make it 0.3925(32+99+2)+0.3925(318)-0.5868(362) which gives us a loss of $35.00. I ignored the split pot for simplicity as it is only a tiny amount.
any help where I am going wrong would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
I noticed the same, maybe one can give a short coment no this isue?
Hi
I am having problems with analysing the TT hand.
When we are calculating the EV of the allin push I don't get how we get 0.3925(394+32+2)+0.5868(-362)+0.0104(33). I thought the EV calc should be ($won from pot) + ($won from extra bets) - ($lost when called) which would make it 0.3925(32+99+2)+0.3925(318)-0.5868(362) which gives us a loss of $35.00. I ignored the split pot for simplicity as it is only a tiny amount.
any help where I am going wrong would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
I noticed the same, maybe one can give a short coment no this isue?
The button has the big blind covered, so he can't win his entire stack ($won from extra bets is $295 after the 4-bet raise is called).
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