Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by danzasmack (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:16:37

Is it really a call on the turn getting only 5-to-1 with a trips on board? Do you think a call would be fine versus anyone or it was OK here cuz he seemed to be 3b quite a bit, or its just a standard call?

Time Link to 00:26:52

I think that bet/folding is a lot better than checking the turn: besides his pair/overcard outs opponent has 8 outs to chop the pot and like you said hes calling turn with pairs a lot and isnt gonna bluff much cuz your range is flush-heavy.

Is it really a call on the turn getting only 5-to-1 with a trips on board? Do you think a call would be fine versus anyone or it was OK here cuz he seemed to be 3b quite a bit, or its just a standard call?

Against a 10% 3-bet we're about 18% equity here. I often feel like the 8 is now an out on the river as well as a 9, J or T so yeah I call here.

I think that bet/folding is a lot better than checking the turn: besides his pair/overcard outs opponent has 8 outs to chop the pot and like you said hes calling turn with pairs a lot and isnt gonna bluff much cuz your range is flush-heavy.

But what pair/overcard hands are calling the flop c/r? He needs a strong ace-hi and that's about it no? The villain has been pretty straightforward here. There are a lot of villains that will call our flop c/r with hands like K9. Those villains I also feel may bluff. So vs. them I do bet a lot.

I would bet here a good chunk of the time - like I said in the video this is a spot I'd like to hear from others on - thanks for posting!

Time Link to 00:10:53

shouldn't we c/c once based on our equity against his range +
which hands would you play c/c on this board if you c/r und c/f hands like K high?

shouldn't we c/c once based on our equity against his range +
which hands would you play c/c on this board if you c/r und c/f hands like K high?

Yeah I mention that later on. I c/c there a lot early in a match. I just think w/this hand on this board texture it's a good spot to c/r.

Did the last part of this resonate with anyone at all? Not sure if I'm barking up a dead tree here with stuff like that. Honestly, that has come up with about 75% of my students so I felt it was applicable.

Let me know!

Time Link to 00:10:48

Is this one of those spots where if we're c/r its because we just want the fold..? we're not really doing it for value, but Ahigh shouldnt really fold either.

Like, I want to put some pressure on at some point, but this feels like a spot where if he plays back at me I won't know what to do. if he puts in more action on a blank (like a board pairing card) can we call down? or do we have to give up? we beat a lot of bluffs here. it just seems like it could get so sticky so quickly.

Time Link to 00:13:19

villain has 2c4c in this hand

Time Link to 00:14:39

villain shows Js6h here. he was making a sick value raise.

what do you think about 3betting here as a semibluff play? or are we getting super spewy?

Time Link to 00:15:28

villain shows As7c

Time Link to 00:17:44

villain shows AhTh here for a monster.

I do 3bet, but tend not to with non-broadway Aces. I do in certain cases (against you, whoever is reading this and want to exploit me )
but i like having lots of Ax in my calling range from the BB.

Time Link to 00:18:35

Villain shows Q9o

Time Link to 00:20:59

villain shows J9o here. i think he plays the hand fine given my range on this board.
given that he doesnt raise with 2pair, i think we have to call river on a raise because its either Qx or air. his hand is super polarized now on a raise.

Time Link to 00:24:05

me either =)

Time Link to 00:26:20

villain shows KQo

he was likely going to raise a non-heart turn. his river check is interesting, truth be told.

is it way to thin to value bet here for him?

Time Link to 00:28:13

villain shows Qh9h

Time Link to 00:32:50

Villain shows QdTh

Time Link to 00:35:11

Villain shows K8o - I was value betting.

=)

Time Link to 00:37:08

looking at it now, i like a peel

Time Link to 00:44:13

I feel like Ax has to fold sometimes here on this turn card. every reasonable semibluff (nonflushdraw) just got there, plus all my pairs.. so i'm pretty happy continuing.

given that he played back before with air might make it worse, but i dunno.

Time Link to 00:46:05

villain has AQdd

Time Link to 00:46:41

villain 3bet 53% during this match FWIW

Good video, especially the discussion at the end about how our perception of what is happening is often not the same as what is happening.

I thought villain was laggy/spewy. He 3bet 50%+, which is a lot. he made a lot of hands and he rebluff/owned me once.

He actually played some top pair type hands for the minimum bets given how i played the hands.

Thanks for that.

If someone with mod powers wants to condense all my posts about villain's hands into one shot to avoid the clutter, that would be cool =)

villain shows Js6h here. he was making a sick value raise.

what do you think about 3betting here as a semibluff play? or are we getting super spewy?

Yeah I think we are getting super spewy if we 3-bet there. Gross, gross raise with Js6h there imo.

villain shows KQo

he was likely going to raise a non-heart turn. his river check is interesting, truth be told.

is it way to thin to value bet here for him?

ugh, I don't really think so with KQ. Checking to induce from your seat makes no sense. I would probably talk myself into betting there with KQ and think I was awesome when you called with worse (if you did).

Villain shows K8o - I was value betting.

=)

Honestly, after the QT calldown I play it the same, nice hand!

I feel like Ax has to fold sometimes here on this turn card. every reasonable semibluff (nonflushdraw) just got there, plus all my pairs.. so i'm pretty happy continuing.

given that he played back before with air might make it worse, but i dunno.

Yeah, I think given his previous calldowns and the fact that he was still up on you + the calldowns he has made I would maybe prefer giving up.

LQ,

No way we are condensing the posts, it makes my thread look super awesome lol. Anyway - I think if you take what I assumed the villain to have in all of the hands and compare it to what villain actually had I would agree our villain was spewy and suffered from FPS. I wouldn't worry about his 3-bet stat because of the small sample but fighting back in some pots with minimal equity vs. unknowns (like our villain did) does seem super spewy.

I agree w/assessment of top pair hand play - especially the AhTh.

Glad you liked the part @ the end - hope you took something away from this (even though given results I think I might agree with you a little more than before!).

Anyone else with some hands please ship them over! (results optional)

Time Link to 00:07:10

Glad this hand came up (Qs6s on As3h4s), because this is something I've been thinking about both in 6max and HU.

The problem occurs on some board textures where it's obv to a good player that our range is draw heavy and weak when we XR. On the turn Hero has 2x, 5x, ss, air (because of Axx flop), some made hands: 3x or better. In my mind it's real easy to get unbalanced and way too draw heavy on the turn. Obv the 4 doesn't help in that regard.

What I feel is that some regs, correctly, raise me back on the turn light in these spots. Vs me Im sure it's profitable to raise the turn and barrel with air. My guess is that the same is true for LQ.

So the question is how to adjust vs these playes. I have a couple of ideas and would be interested to hear ur thougts on this. Bascally we can either turn the agression down or turn it up. What I mean is that we could XR the flop less, or perhaps barrel the turn less given the card. Or we could expand our turn 3-bet range and re-bluff more. Which of these aproaches do u prefer? Obv we can do both, but what would u be looking to do "first"?

If he is a good player I think the turn bet is bad. On this particular turn especially we need to remove bluffs from our range to not become insanely unbalanced. And this hand is one of the best hand to turn passive with because of the SD value. I think we will/should get re-bluffed a fair bit and we will almost never make him lay down a better hand.

If the turn is a 2 or 5 I think the barrel is better.

Time Link to 00:09:33

I love how u suck out information from all hands Danza! That really helps in the process of sucking out info from ur head of how u approach the game !

Edit: Weird comment. I almost fail to get it myself

Time Link to 00:14:40

9s6s: Given that we picked up such a strong draw I think't it's a fine spot to 3-bet the turn. Again he may be re-stealing thissuper bluff happy board. What do u think?

Time Link to 00:27:06

It's a crapy spot especially since we know villain makes FSDR. Suppose we bet and he raises A6o, that would be so awful. I def think he should fold a naked 4 if we bet the turn. I agree with u that he probably won't bet a 6but he may do it as a FSD play. Meh I just gonna keep it a secre what I think about this hand .

Time Link to 00:31:49

Interesting villain didn't barrel QT. I think that's a misstake. I would assume that hero XC AX-Kx type hands and that the 8 eally sucks for him.

Time Link to 00:41:20

This was exactly what I was talking about in the Q6s hand ut from the opposite pov ! Interesting stuff.

Time Link to 00:42:55

Good analysis on bluffing the 7d river. Its been noted

Time Link to 00:48:29

In my memory of this session Hero 3-bets a very value-oriented range pf, raise flop with draws and wait to the turn with made hands. I'm a little bt worried about this kind of behaviour. However I know LQ is a very good player so not as much for u as for others.

This was an excellent vid and I'm happy ur back to make LHE-vidz! I particulary like how u work through all hands and took away reads, both technical but more importantly game flow/mental. It's obvious u have a ton of general poker skills, perhaps aided by the fact u play so many different games?

Time Link to 00:05:24

Can we talk about the flop raise and semi-bluffing draws headsup in general? Chuck, you say it's super-standard, and I think that's correct in many circumstances. I probably make this play 80%+ of the time here, but there is also merit to playing stronger draws more passively against SD bound opponents at times as well. Since there are a lot of wheel draws as well as FDs on this board, we're going to have less fold equity than usual. This is partially offset by the fact that villain can't have two overcards to the board, but that again is offset by the fact that good HU players know A high boards are good to attack.

Which leads us to question what we're trying to accomplish with the flop SB. If we are trying to fold better hands, we may get a fold from Kx with no draw or some better Qx, but early in a match on a draw-heavy board, I don't see many Kx folds, and we're going to have to fire multiple streets to get them. So, I think in this case we're rarely getting worse hands to fold. There are, of course, arguments for protecting our Q high and not getting barreled off of it by worse hands, and for balance, because we will want to have draws (and air) in our flop CR range to protect our value bets, and generally just creating an aggressive dynamic.

I'm not saying I play this flop differently. As I said, I certainly CR most of the time here, but weaker 7, 8 high type draws are getting CR'ed near 100%, where I might be even less likely to CR a K high FD here. I just think it's important to understand why we make the standard plays we make.

Just some rambling thoughts - I'd love to hear your perspective.

Sorry, the above should read "So, I think in this case we're rarely getting better hands to fold."

Sorry, the above should read "So, I think in this case we're rarely getting better hands to fold."

this can be true, but imo there is merit to getting him to fold some outs. if he folds 78 on the flop we got him to fold 20% equity in the hand or whatever. thats pretty good considering the price he is getting on the flop.

this can be true, but imo there is merit to getting him to fold some outs. if he folds 78 on the flop we got him to fold 20% equity in the hand or whatever. thats pretty good considering the price he is getting on the flop.

But if he bets the turn and we call with 80% equity isn't that better? My protection point was that we want to protect our Q high equity if we're not planning on calling down. We are obviously calling a turn bet with our flush equity, and we may get a free river or may decide to show down Q high depending on how the board comes.

Yeah I mention that later on. I c/c there a lot early in a match. I just think w/this hand on this board texture it's a good spot to c/r.

No, you say you either c/r or c/f. Never once you say that it's a good spot to peel.

I hate the c/r here, honestly. What better hands are we folding? If for value, we are very lost in the hand on the big streets. Are we really protecting Khigh in this tiny pot?

I meant on a different hand.

Re: c/r'ing early - sure we don't fold out many hands, but early in a match I don't mind having a little more equity when I do c/r especially because we don't know how often he's folding @ all. Especially on a board where almost nothing is folding immediately it's good to have a little more equity sometimes.

I meant on a different hand.

Re: c/r'ing early - sure we don't fold out many hands, but early in a match I don't mind having a little more equity when I do c/r especially because we don't know how often he's folding @ all. Especially on a board where almost nothing is folding immediately it's good to have a little more equity sometimes.

so early in the match you would c/r QT, K2 in the classical A73r board, rather than later in the match? Qhighs on paired boards? I mean, you and I both know that all cases (also the K3 hand), we're not swimming in equity and it's just that we're not bluffing with the absolute bottom of the range.

I also think on a board of T52 ds, there are a lot of cards that fold, I would certainly not say that almost nothing is folding.

These are extremely sucky spots to be in HUHU.

9s6s: Given that we picked up such a strong draw I think't it's a fine spot to 3-bet the turn. Again he may be re-stealing thissuper bluff happy board. What do u think?

I was thinking the same thing, Sushi. It depends how often your opponent has been raising you on the turn, and (thus increasing) how likely you think bluffs/semibluffs are IN that Turn raise range. I which case, "He who bluffs last, wins the pot!"

I know it can feel like a spewy move, but it really doesn't have to work that often at all to be profitable, plus we have some equity, and plus you feel amazing when you take down a big pot this way!!

Remind me to pester you in Vegas about doing the math for this spot, Sushi!! I've half-learned and forgotten it later, enough times now, that this time I'm writing it down in some "Little Book of Poker Math Formulas," I'm going to create on the trip!

Villain shows K8o - I was value betting.

=)

nh