Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by whitelime (Mid Stakes)

Hey guys--

I mentioned to you that I could try to speed up deadtime so we can still see hands but cut down on some of the dead air. I'm interested to see what you think -- personally I think it's a cool format (and have planned using it sporadically in other videos when I think it might improve them (especially HU matches)) but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Hopefully I didn't accidentally speed up any spots where he's talking, because he'll sound like a chipmunk during that if I did.

Edit: Found one spot so far that I forgot to slow it back down (early on, he opens JT).

LOL. About 21 minutes in I apparently forgot to get it back down to 100% playback speed. The results are hilarious (I'm fixing them now).

Quoting my earlier post so everyone knows what is up with this:

Hey guys,

Just wanted to chime in to let you all know that while a lot of these episodes have been recorded, we're definitely listening to what you guys are saying. I'm preparing another version of this video right now which I'll release on Sunday (I'm leaving for the next two days otherwise I'd put it up right away) called Episode 2 Redux. This is testing a new idea I have for how to deal with videos that have some dead air time while there's not much going on, but the hands *might* still be relevant. The problem with cutting out dead air out of these videos is that you guys miss the opportunity to ask questions about hands that may be interesting to you even though the author didn't necessarily find much to say about them, or just miss out on relevant history that is potentially useful later in matches (this is especially true in HU matches but I think also true in 6max games).

So what I'm doing is testing out some editing magic to *try* to provide the best of both worlds. This is a video that will speed up to 200% playback speed during hands that aren't commented on, then go back to normal speeds during commentary. It will only be sped up during longer (30s+) silences which obviously we'll try to avoid as much as possible, but since a lot of these videos are recorded already, it may help improve your feelings about those videos without stripping away a lot of the value you get from this sort of video -- having the opportunity to sweat a player like Emil in the moment and learn what he does in certain situations.

While we're going to try to continue to improve on our ability to provide in the moment commentary, Josh is right with his comments -- this stuff is HARD to do sometimes and it's not necessarily indicative of our level of commitment when there's a lot of silence. That said we owe you guys the best, and we're going to commit to it in whatever way possible.

Please check this video out and let me know what you think of the format. I think it is a huge improvement because you can speed up the playback without actually missing any of the commentary (which is the disadvantage to trying to skip through a video like this).

There really seems to be a lot of polarization on this video so I'm working hard to come up with a format that is as valuable as possible to as many of you as we can help. I'll repost this post when I put up the new video -- please let me know what you think of it as a format because after watching one video sped up (Hoodie Wars #3) during moments of slow commentary (in this case, both players were just folding a ton preflop for a while), I felt it was quite a significant improvement.

holla!
Rob

is this same video or new bonus? i dont understand lol

chipmunk moment at 6:06 or so lol

hahhaa
chipmunks

runs fine though.

is this same video or new bonus? i dont understand lol

Same video, I promised in the other thread to try an editing technique to speed up dead moments but still preserve the ability for y'all to see what Emil folds/raises/etc even when there's nothing to talk about.

I'm fixing the version that is up right now but I'm gonna leave it up for the time being for comic effect.

Rob

haha okay, really nice to see DC actually doing something about what their customer needs and advice. Many thanks to DC!!

but what really would be nice is, instead of 8 episode series make 1 more extra as a bonus for us

Why don't you just have someone play a session, then go through the entire thing in the replayer with commentary. You can show every hand, even if just to say "folding 84 utg here" etc. That would seem to be much easier than recording a vid realtime and speeding up certain spots.

chipmunk really bad around 21 mins, I mean, really bad.

If I was you, I would just ignore some of the comments about quiet bits. Sure it would be nice if whitelime talked more, but he does not, so thats that. At least not when he is playing live.

chipmunk really bad around 21 mins, I mean, really bad.

If I was you, I would just ignore some of the comments about quiet bits. Sure it would be nice if whitelime talked more, but he does not, so thats that. At least not when he is playing live.

It's fixed now, unfortunately you have to reload since you have the old version of the MP4.

Rob

Why don't you just have someone play a session, then go through the entire thing in the replayer with commentary. You can show every hand, even if just to say "folding 84 utg here" etc. That would seem to be much easier than recording a vid realtime and speeding up certain spots.

TBH that would make for some really really long videos and miss out on a lot of good potential for interesting hands which you get when people 2, 3, or 4-table. There's definitely a need for lots of types of vids I think (1-tabling, replayer, session review, and live play) but the goal here is to try to make each vid the best vid possible. I'm also really keen on experimenting with tech stuff that I can do behind the scenes to see what people's reactions are.

Rob

connection is so bad today.
usual speed was 2~4MB, but 30KB now
what's going on?

connection is so bad today.
usual speed was 2~4MB, but 30KB now
what's going on?

I'm getting speeds of 8Mb/s downloading right now on Seattle cablemodem, and the usual 30Mb/s+ to our New York office connection. If anything it's something on your end unfortunately (I say this a lot, but we're hosted on Amazon.com's connection/servers so saturation will pretty much not be an issue for us ever). On any given day if there's a lot of saturation in any of the connections in between you and our servers that could cause an issue.

Rob

connection was fine from uk, downed it twice now in a few mins.

I liek

Rob cares about us! He cares!

TBH that would make for some really really long videos and miss out on a lot of good potential for interesting hands which you get when people 2, 3, or 4-table. There's definitely a need for lots of types of vids I think (1-tabling, replayer, session review, and live play) but the goal here is to try to make each vid the best vid possible. I'm also really keen on experimenting with tech stuff that I can do behind the scenes to see what people's reactions are.

Rob

No no, the video length would be greatly reduced. Try it sometime. I have done it with six tables, played for about an hour, and then exported the sessions to a replayer and went through hand by hand. It took like 30 mins (but of course I wasn't explaining anything).

BTW, I don't mean to go through every single hand completely, just if you put money in the pot.

BTW, I don't mean to go through every single hand completely, just if you put money in the pot.

Yeah what I'm saying is that actually removes a ton of context from the video that is really important. What about hands that he folds? What about hands that go on that go to show you a lot about what is in the mind of the other players (tilt, weak tightness, maniacal tendencies)? I get what you're suggesting, but we do a lot of different video formats and in every replayer one the hands you talk about can take anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes when you do it after the fact. I've never seen a replayer-based vid take less than twice as long as a live play vid on a hand-per-hand basis. All FWIW, of course -- just to say that you will see plenty of replayer-type vids here but they serve a different purpose than the live play vids, and I posted this vid as an experiment to see if I can improve on live play vids, not replace them.

Appreciate the feedback, though.

Rob

Rob cares about us! He cares!

It's nice to see a training site take the extra effort when they don't have to. Really appreciated Rob. Another reason why DC is the best.

It's nice to see a training site take the extra effort when they don't have to. Really appreciated Rob. Another reason why DC is the best.

Yeah, they don't rob us blind, they blind us with rob's kindness.

It's nice to see a training site take the extra effort when they don't have to. Really appreciated Rob. Another reason why DC is the best.

QFT. Not many sites would go through this trouble to fix a video, so props for that.

LOL, dead time rocks!

much better!

Seems like that KT hand on K933 board vs. assassin is a pretty easy c/f on turn (roughly the ~26 minute mark). Even bad players don't typically 4/5 pot 9x on turn, and he called superquick on flop w/ a player left to act on a rainbow board, further diluting the 9x hands/possible bluff hands in his range. This is not even mentioning that assassin had earlier limp rr'd AA. This concerns me, as I'm new to DC, and though I'm pretty sure this play was incorrect (correct me if I'm wrong), I may not be able to tell if you make a different mistake in another spot and I end up learning the incorrect play.

While the most likely range of his better hands is pretty narrow containing K9/AK/99/33, possibly KQ, his range of floats/dumb bets w/ 9x is even narrower.

I'm not sure what reviewing and production process involved in making these vids, but if you don't already, perhaps it would be good to review the vids yourself (yea, I know, boring prob) and/or have a 2nd person review it, looking for mistakes.

-Mike

Around 5 min into the vid Whitelime comments on another players decision to bet a 9TT flop IP with a 9 potentially. He said that betting with a 9 there is retarded. Why is this retarded? I thought that if you had a nine there you should bet to protect your hand. Am I wrong in thinking this?