Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by whitelime (Mid Stakes)

Good video and insight but its very hard to see stack sizes. Can this be fixed? Thanks.

Good video and insight but its very hard to see stack sizes. Can this be fixed? Thanks.

I have noticed this too on the new seasons videos. It was VERY apparent on the RBK and DJ Sensei Mad Potters video. It is as if you have encoded it at a different size that you used to and it is causing it to reduce it on our screens, thus making the details fuzzy.

Are you guys watching them in full screen mode? I agree the names of players and stats are not really readable in the default flash player view, but when you have two tables side by side condensed to fit in our website frame that tends to happen, when I hit the full screen mode version of the flash player the names and PT stats are clear and readable for me. Also the downloaded WMV and MP4 versions both are fine but again I watch those full screen.

-DeathDonkey

Same for me.
The resolution on both full size and normal size is a bit screwed.

Not looked through the whole video yet so maybe you have put it in at the end but is it possible to show your pokertracker stats at the end?

Thanks

actually, this is something I've been having problems with as well. stacksizes and names seem to be blurry as of late.

Emil,

Like 12 minutes in on the right you pick up AA OTB when some clown had just posted in the cutoff and checked his option. At your normal stakes I'm sure no one posts before the BB but this happens all the time at lower stakes and if you have a monster it is almost always correct in my experience to limp behind as one of the blinds will raise light in that situation almost 100% of the time.

55 mins you call BvB vs the 66 VPIP fish?

Please expand on why you done that?
Understand maybe calling for implied odds , but this fish has a very tight opening range and I dont see how especailly when we flop a hand like top pair, how we get value, becauuse our plan for the hand is just to get to showdown and if he shows any sort of aggression we need to fold.
If you could clarify that be great.

Are you guys watching them in full screen mode? I agree the names of players and stats are not really readable in the default flash player view, but when you have two tables side by side condensed to fit in our website frame that tends to happen, when I hit the full screen mode version of the flash player the names and PT stats are clear and readable for me. Also the downloaded WMV and MP4 versions both are fine but again I watch those full screen.

-DeathDonkey

I am watching them on my MacBook and never had the problem before, just on recent videos. I have always watched them on Full Screen in the flash version on the site and never had the problem until now. I am not sure what the authors of the videos have changed but they definitely changed something on their end.

Shawn in regards to you comment.

This does heavily depend on opponent type.
Also if we do limp AA here and it get checked around we are not in great shape, as we could ahve been.

If the blinds do have a hand they are willing to raise the limpers, then they are as likely to 3bet with it and even if the blinds do not have a hand they may still want to 3bet as us raising a limper looks like we are trying to isolate, so thjey may still 3bet us light.

So to be honest I feel raising here get more money in the pot the best possible way and help us get as much money in preflop when our equity advantage is the highest.

I am watching them on my MacBook and never had the problem before, just on recent videos. I have always watched them on Full Screen in the flash version on the site and never had the problem until now. I am not sure what the authors of the videos have changed but they definitely changed something on their end.

Deathdonkey: I have taken a screenshot of the video on Full Screen (using standard flash video on site) to let you see how badly the stack sizes look and other small details. It did not used to look like this.

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenrh8.png

vid quality is perfect here, 1600x1200 res

i like how spiteful you are when berating the fish. keep up the good work!

Emil,

10 minutes in you play a8 vs rakata's a3 and pay off his trips on the river. After the hand you said he's terrible - could you explain how you'd play his hand differently?

why don't you take notes on players? you got 4bet on the left table at 55 min mark by the same player who got it in against you on the right table with AQo at the 47 min mark and if you were aware that it was the same guy (play4funn) you didn't mention it.

There's so much dead time in the video.. the video looked like it was really forced or something.

I've had the clarity issue on my 13.1" MacBook but everything shows up very clearly on my 20.1" desktop monitor.

Deathdonkey: I have taken a screenshot of the video on Full Screen (using standard flash video on site) to let you see how badly the stack sizes look and other small details. It did not used to look like this.

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenrh8.png

That's not full screen size, but I'll see if I can figure out what's going on (that's 1280 wide, full screen on this vid is 1588 wide).

Rob

coach me!!!

I was wondering about this particular hand as well (A8 vs rakata A3). Also, your betsizing seems to be particularly varied in different situations. You did explain your reasoning on betsizing in some spots during the video but there were some others that left me scratching my head. All in all great vid, looking forward to the next ep.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz WAKE UP EMIL!!!!

edit: i have no problems with being able to see stacks or names, dunno what you donks are talking about.

edit 2: Mr Lime, i dont know if you took a bunch of xanax before you made this video or something, but you did seem very disinterested throughout.

I've had the clarity issue on my 13.1" MacBook but everything shows up very clearly on my 20.1" desktop monitor.

Hey guys -- we had been experimenting with settings in the Flash player to make less load on your computers and it turns out having smoothing off (yeah I know tech mumbo jumbo) was responsible for this. Let me know if you still have issues (especially people with resolutions of less than ~1400px wide) but I just tested with two vids and they both look great now.

Rob

Hey guys -- we had been experimenting with settings in the Flash player to make less load on your computers and it turns out having smoothing off (yeah I know tech mumbo jumbo) was responsible for this. Let me know if you still have issues (especially people with resolutions of less than ~1400px wide) but I just tested with two vids and they both look great now.

Rob

Perfect now, back to normal. Thanks mate!

man that was so satisfying to watch him stack people who played poorly.

vicarious revenge for all past donks who have lucked out on me.

Emil,

Like 12 minutes in on the right you pick up AA OTB when some clown had just posted in the cutoff and checked his option. At your normal stakes I'm sure no one posts before the BB but this happens all the time at lower stakes and if you have a monster it is almost always correct in my experience to limp behind as one of the blinds will raise light in that situation almost 100% of the time.

I completely disagree. People raising limpers out of the blinds is very uncommon unless they are holding premiums. On the flip side, if you see someone iso-raise or steal-raise to try and pick up the dead money in the pot, there is a very good chance you will get reraised. The only argument for overlimping is in the event that someone does raise, your hand is insanely well disguised.

55 mins you call BvB vs the 66 VPIP fish?

Please expand on why you done that?
Understand maybe calling for implied odds , but this fish has a very tight opening range and I dont see how especailly when we flop a hand like top pair, how we get value, becauuse our plan for the hand is just to get to showdown and if he shows any sort of aggression we need to fold.
If you could clarify that be great.

What was my specific hand? I'll chk PT and respond when I find the HH.

Emil,

10 minutes in you play a8 vs rakata's a3 and pay off his trips on the river. After the hand you said he's terrible - could you explain how you'd play his hand differently?

Haha, I was probably just annoyed I lost a pot. I chked the HH and rakata played the hand fine. The only gripe is I think he could've bet reasonably bigger on the river and still gotten paid off.

why don't you take notes on players? you got 4bet on the left table at 55 min mark by the same player who got it in against you on the right table with AQo at the 47 min mark and if you were aware that it was the same guy (play4funn) you didn't mention it.

I generally have a really good memory of hands that have happened, especially in the same session and since I don't play these stakes regularly, I didn't bother taking notes. However, I do highly recommend taking notes if these are the stakes you normally play.

I was wondering about this particular hand as well (A8 vs rakata A3). Also, your betsizing seems to be particularly varied in different situations. You did explain your reasoning on betsizing in some spots during the video but there were some others that left me scratching my head. All in all great vid, looking forward to the next ep.

If you want to point out specific hand histories where you are particularly interested in my betsizing, I can definitely give you some insights.

I completely disagree. People raising limpers out of the blinds is very uncommon unless they are holding premiums. On the flip side, if you see someone iso-raise or steal-raise to try and pick up the dead money in the pot, there is a very good chance you will get reraised. The only argument for overlimping is in the event that someone does raise, your hand is insanely well disguised.

I just wanted to chime in and say I 100% agree with Emil's logic for not wanting to overlimp here. Many "thinking" players will 3bet lighter in these spots if they see emil iso-open vs a poster w/ dead money in the pot.

the video disappointed me, first 15 minutes was as if you were waking up, recording a video cause you had to

thanks for clearing up the video resolution problem. Much better now.

I had a hard time getting past all the berating of fish, donks, idiots, terrible player comments...I loved the comments and plays related to the poker, just seemed to hate the world in the video.

I have 4 full pages of notes. I like DC videos so much. The only problem is what are we going to do when everyone finds out about this site? You guys are great players. I wonder if you realize how much -EV it is to be producing such good videos? If I was making millions of dollars at something, I'd keep my methods to myself. Thanks for being young and not knowing what your sitting on! You guys are pretty generous. Whitelime, Krantz, and DJ Sensei are the best.

I had a hard time getting past all the berating of fish, donks, idiots, terrible player comments...I loved the comments and plays related to the poker, just seemed to hate the world in the video.

I hate berating at the table, but I don't care at all about respecting donks in vids. I like to hear when moves are donkish (although I usually spot them fine by myself) and how/why to abuse them, for example on the AJ4r board where he got c/r'd and 2.5x 3b air.

Good vid overall. The games you were in seemed pretty good, hopefully you get in some deep stack situations or in tougher spots w/ regs.

Also regarding complaints of dead time. It's true that there were some, but I think for this specific type of vid it's pretty hard to fill dead time when nothing's happening. FwF handled that great though (in movin' on up), although his series was a little different in concept but not by much.

ratings wise i thought this video was going to suck, it is actually very educational

I completely disagree. People raising limpers out of the blinds is very uncommon unless they are holding premiums. On the flip side, if you see someone iso-raise or steal-raise to try and pick up the dead money in the pot, there is a very good chance you will get reraised. The only argument for overlimping is in the event that someone does raise, your hand is insanely well disguised.

i agree with this quote. people 3-bet post-raisers more than they raise posters.

What was my specific hand? I'll chk PT and respond when I find the HH.

The hand was 87dd and you called his preflop raise BvB.

As said it was 55 mins in.

fucking brilliant and really inspiring to hear and see your thought process -- and obv also makes me realise how long way I have to go and how hard it really is to get so good.

concerning the dead time: each to his own .. some people talk more than others ... what it comes down to is this: is the producer of the vid capable of explaining his thought process well and does he have a good thought process .... the beginning was a bit slow but like I said I was really inspired by this vid .. def gonna watch it again cause there was so much good stuff

only one question:
what did you do (that is different from what others not so succesful players did/do) to get to the level your on now?

Excellent vid. Looking forward keenly to the rest of the series. Also any chance you might play part of this series on stars ? We could do with some LimeAid over there too !

also I would like to see your stats

Nice video, learned a lot.

My opinion is Whitelime was struggling here a bit, simply because he doesn't usually play those (lower) limits, and his thought process was way above the donks and it was frustrating for him to adjust.

Heck, I usually play the lowly 100NL at FTP, today I played at Stars and couldn't believe how much softer/donkier it was...couldn't really put anyone on a hand and lost a buy-in.

I liked the video a lot and will keep my eyes peeled on any tid-bits relevant to a FR player. One other things I like about Whitelime's style is he doesnt feel the need to talk constantly but has some creative pauses. Now you think instead.

Very good video ( again ! ).

I play NL200 and my question is :
do you play the same way at NL200 or do you make some adjustment ( and if yes what adjustments do you make ? ) Thanks a lot !!

All,

Just download the video and watch it in winamp. I have a 1600x1200 monitor and the quality is excellent this way. The videos also download very fast.

Emil,

Why exactly were you trying to fold out AT/KT on the AQsp Vs. QQ hand at 5:40 in the video when we're a favorite over both of those?

All,

Just download the video and watch it in winamp. I have a 1600x1200 monitor and the quality is excellent this way. The videos also download very fast.

Emil,

Why exactly were you trying to fold out AT/KT on the AQsp Vs. QQ hand at 5:40 in the video when we're a favorite over both of those?

I haven't done the math but I'd bet that winning the dead money in the pot is more +EV than just getting it allin as a slight favorite.

55 mins you call BvB vs the 66 VPIP fish?

Please expand on why you done that?
Understand maybe calling for implied odds , but this fish has a very tight opening range and I dont see how especailly when we flop a hand like top pair, how we get value, becauuse our plan for the hand is just to get to showdown and if he shows any sort of aggression we need to fold.
If you could clarify that be great.

You actually have more implied odds against a tighter opening range. Think about it...If your opponent always holds AA, you'll get paid off on your straights/flushes/two pairs way more often than if his opening range is AA-77, big cards, suited connectors, etc.

Also, he's a terrible fish which just means I can exploit him more postflop. Folding this would be a horrible mistake.

Very good video ( again ! ).

I play NL200 and my question is :
do you play the same way at NL200 or do you make some adjustment ( and if yes what adjustments do you make ? ) Thanks a lot !!

I really don't know...I'd have to play a bit at NL200 and see what the regulars play like. I'd imagine the games are a bit less aggro and the regulars have more leaks like 100% c-betting.

Next week guest coach Charles Barkley and Whitelime continue to berate their TERRIBLE opponents!

I haven't done the math but I'd bet that winning the dead money in the pot is more +EV than just getting it allin as a slight favorite.

Hand 0: 64.424% 64.06% 00.36% 9513 54.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 35.576% 35.21% 00.36% 5229 54.00 { ATo, KTo }

Hand 0: 64.424% 64.06% 00.36% 9513 54.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 35.576% 35.21% 00.36% 5229 54.00 { ATo, KTo }

Guess that makes us slightly in favor of a call? Not sure exactly what was in the pot...

sweet vid, you explain your thought process very well

question: 13.40 mins in on the left, you fold K9o OTB after viking47 limped UTG, if you feel K9o is not a profitable open here, what would you open?

viking47 didn't seem like a particular strong opponent, note that he also limped the hand before

also: would you open more or less hands with a limper in the pot, compared to if it was folded to you?

I'm also quite curious what your vpip and pfr numbers are in each position, would you be willing to post those numbers?

I generally have a really good memory of hands that have happened, especially in the same session and since I don't play these stakes regularly, I didn't bother taking notes. However, I do highly recommend taking notes if these are the stakes you normally play.

I can see why it wouldn't benefit you to take notes at this limit. However, I would like to see what you would deem as important enough to note and how you would word it.

Around the 9:40 mark. You 3bet from the BB against an UTG raise from a tight player (12%-14% total pfr) with AQo, what was your thought process here? I know you say you want to establigh an aggressive table image. Could you explain how this benefits us in metagame? What do you do if he 4bets you? How lightly do you expect to be called?

At around the 11 minute mark you are on the button with K9o and UTG limps. You click the auto-fold box. Why?

33:34 Really good stuff on the 3bet post flop with Q9s on the A J 3R board. I had never really thought about how hard it is for him to have a hand there. AA-JJ, AT+ RR pre usually. 33 is really the only thing you need to be worried about there I guess.







Regarding the dead time silence. Personally I prefer silence to fluff. So just do what feels comfortable to you.

Regarding the dead time silence. Personally I prefer silence to fluff. So just do what feels comfortable to you.

Agree 100%. I thought this video was very instructive and I enjoyed it.

Around the 9:40 mark. You 3bet from the BB against an UTG raise from a tight player (12%-14% total pfr) with AQo, what was your thought process here? I know you say you want to establigh an aggressive table image. Could you explain how this benefits us in metagame? What do you do if he 4bets you? How lightly do you expect to be called?

At around the 11 minute mark you are on the button with K9o and UTG limps. You click the auto-fold box. Why?

33:34 Really good stuff on the 3bet post flop with Q9s on the A J 3R board. I had never really thought about how hard it is for him to have a hand there. AA-JJ, AT+ RR pre usually. 33 is really the only thing you need to be worried about there I guess.







Regarding the dead time silence. Personally I prefer silence to fluff. So just do what feels comfortable to you.

The AQo is one of those spots where all three of our options are close in value (RR, call, fold). Metagame-wise, I like having an aggressive image because I feel I can manipulate my opponents into calling when I flop a hand. Against a player that tight, I wouldn't expect to be called too lightly. A range of 77-AA, AQo/ATs+ seems reasonable.

The K9o I may not have been paying attention. If utg was a big fish, I think it's worth isolating. If he's a good player, I'd fold. If he's in between, I'd probably fold K9o and isolate w/ KTo.

sweet vid, you explain your thought process very well

question: 13.40 mins in on the left, you fold K9o OTB after viking47 limped UTG, if you feel K9o is not a profitable open here, what would you open?

viking47 didn't seem like a particular strong opponent, note that he also limped the hand before

also: would you open more or less hands with a limper in the pot, compared to if it was folded to you?

I'm also quite curious what your vpip and pfr numbers are in each position, would you be willing to post those numbers?

I'll try to get those position stats but to be honest, they greatly vary depending on the type of game I'm in. I think I'd definitely raise lighter from the button if it's folded around. I can't really think of any hands I'd raise to isolate even the worst of fish that I would otherwise fold if it's folded around to me.

Agree 100%. I thought this video was very instructive and I enjoyed it.

Ditto - thanks for a great video.

8:00 into video you check/call down JJ and say he misplays every street. I disagree. When he bets the flop AT you fold JJ. Ten on the turn now make your hand even worse now... you beat nothing on the board.

It was instructive but quite negative on the commentary. You kept saying that everyone who short-stacks is a fish. Your right table went decent due to the large coinflips and also AK vs AQ, along with a fish who calls A2T45 board with 8T. But shortstacks often make for easy shoves 99 TT JJ AK etc.

Also, you say some of the bet sizes of the players are bad but I disagree in a few instances. When you call the players fish it seems to need some substantiating, especially when your commentary is counter to what happened (they won the hand and you called down with weaker hands) - especially on your left table which did not go well at all...

question for you whitelime:

Personally I never see you limp. (only watched a few videos)

Personally, I don't subscribe to the theory one always needs to raise to come into the pot. could you explain a little please? For instance in this video (i believe, or similar) you think about 4 betting AQ or folding. Why not flat-call a 3bet?

Awesome video whitelime I really liked how you explained your thought process.

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In the hand where he bets 192 into 250 on the turn, you say the bet size is terrible. Why is this a terrible bet size?

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Sry but I dont get it, why do I check behind with an A high flush fraw and bet with a 9 high flush draw?