sushiglutton
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Time Link to 00:11:31
H#1: I pretty much agree with the line taken, even though fnupple sure has a point in the big picture. However at 3/6 I jus don't see that agression. I didn't quite get IPL's comment about the calling ranges being the same on turn/river => v-bet both. We bet turn to get some fold too not just for value and because a bet goes in better like that (against someone with A who decides to call for example)?
I also agree with DD (reading between the lines I think that's what u said
) that if we are XR on the turn it's a bit weird and not such an easy fold (even though I typically would make it). I do X-behind a decent part of my range on the turn and board is drawy on the flop so question is how many strong hands villain XC. Maybe a Tx suddenly feels its equity improved.
I think there are players that I have played that this needs to go to SD on none scary rivers.
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PygmyHero
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Time Link to 00:17:28
When I reviewed this hand I decided I disliked my turn check quite a bit. I don't have any special read to justify my play. I kind of didn't want to send this one in but I thought it'd be a good example of a spot that I think a lot of players mess up (myself included obviously).
I think you guys are spot on here about the turn bet and I tend to agree with mike l. that we should fold to a x/r. I just don't think it's going to be a bluff very often. Also I do have a fair number of stronger hands in my range, so I can call down with those.
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Time Link to 00:23:34
FTOP silliness aside... 
Yeah, I butchered this one too. I considered barreling the river but finally realized that my turn bet was pretty bad. I think barreling off is better than the line I took, but the turn give up is best. Great analysis on where JTs falls in my range here.
I will say that I disagree with you guys a little bit about what can value bet here on the end when I check - I'd say some players are capable of firing with 9x here. They realize I don't have an ace and either forget about the possibility of TT-KK or think I would value bet it (I'm honestly not sure which of those two they think). I do not know if this particular villain would fit that description, but in general I don't think we can call here on the river even though I bloated the pot.
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Chris and Mike,
Thanks for your time - I really enjoyed this episode and liked your analysis.
As far as the general state of the 2/4 and 3/6 games viewers should keep in mind that I do game select well and some of the villain plays you see here will not necessarily be representative of the general population. I guess it's my way of combating the fact that I don't make pairs too often. 
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Boomer
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Chris and Mike,
Thanks for your time - I really enjoyed this episode and liked your analysis.
As far as the general state of the 2/4 and 3/6 games viewers should keep in mind that I do game select well and some of the villain plays you see here will not necessarily be representative of the general population. I guess it's my way of combating the fact that I don't make pairs too often. 
I like how you used "necessarily" there
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PygmyHero
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Time Link to 00:29:25
Okay I went back and looked at the raw HH and I think you guys are right - I don't think the lineup behind me is right for the J8o to be an open (but I don't think it's terrible).
I will say that I think the Q8s open two hands later was correct based on the players behind me and that in all seriousness J8o would have been good there too.
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