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Late Night Coaching with Joe Tall: Guest Coach: Manchild - 6max NL Part 2

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Late Night Coaching with Joe Tall: Guest Coach: Manchild - 6max NL Part 2 by Joe Tall, Tommy Angelo, Manchild

Part Two of last weeks LNC where Joe has two DC Coaches with him, Manchild and TheLoon. If you watched last week, the meta-game issue of breaks is first topic. Tommy Angelo joins them for the first 15 mins of the video to talk about breaks and playing your A-game.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 70 minutes long
  • Posted over 3 years ago

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Comments for Late Night Coaching with Joe Tall: Guest Coach: Manchild - 6max NL Part 2

Puke

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Great episode,
Also good to see some Microgaming vids.

Posted over 3 years ago

Hypnotic

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All poker players listen to or watch of this episode!!

Posted over 3 years ago

shyturtle27

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Seriously got a partial when the special guest came on.

Posted over 3 years ago

dersone

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Seriously got a partial when the special guest came on.


+1

Posted over 3 years ago

mogwai316

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I really enjoyed this video! The TA appearance was obviously a highlight, I think we could all listen to him talk forever and are anxiously awaiting his series. But the rest of the video was great too, some more interesting hands than part 1 and really good strategy discussion.

One additional thing that might be useful to ask when introducing each hand is not just your reads on the villains but their possible reads on you, what your image is at that table. I know it's often hard to remember after the fact but it can have a big impact. If you've recently shown down a bluff that will change how people play against you, or if you've been hammering on a fish he may be pissed off and start awkwardly playing back at you, etc.

In the JJ hand, I agree with TheLoon that his turn raise is a lot like a blocking bet. He makes a small raise so that if you shove he can get away from his hand but he's really hoping that you just call and it slows you down so you check the river and he can check behind and just get to show his hand down. He doesn't want to play for 240bb stacks so he thinks this is the best way to get to a cheap showdown. And the hands that make sense for him to make that play are AA, KK, QJ. You've shown a lot of strength by c/r flop and leading turn so I think it's very unlikely that he bluffs here (unless he views you as bluffy/spewy - getting back to my above point) and if he is bluffing he'd probably bet bigger. So based on that analysis, I think if you call the turn and bet the river, he may talk himself into calling on the river because there's so much money in the pot. But if you try to check-raise I think he is very likely to check behind and you miss a chance to possibly get some more value. Basically I think the chance that he calls a river bet with worse is greater than the chance that he valuebets/bluffs with worse if you check.

Posted over 3 years ago

dw33p

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I disagree with the above. If he raises the turn that small for value and the read that theloon has is correct (e.g. he does that because he knows theloon shoves the holdings that have his overpair crushed, folds his bluffs and calls the other hands that he beats with his overpair) he will most likely value bet the river too if it bricks. Interesting hand through, and overall nice video.

Posted over 3 years ago

Manchild

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I definitely think that hand was the most interesting one in the video.
Its definitely close, I think calling the turn and jamming most rivers is good bc I think he is more likely to call than v-bet. he may not like calling, but he'll be sufficiently confused by your line and if he holds an overpair will have a hard time actually clicking the fold button.

Posted over 3 years ago

mattyd86

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I listen to Joe Tall and just can't get James Woods out of my head :\

Posted over 3 years ago

Joe Tall

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I listen to Joe Tall and just can't get James Woods out of my head :\



ORLY?

Next time I play poker with him, I'll tell him that.

Posted over 3 years ago

TheLoon

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I really enjoyed this video! The TA appearance was obviously a highlight, I think we could all listen to him talk forever and are anxiously awaiting his series. But the rest of the video was great too, some more interesting hands than part 1 and really good strategy discussion.

One additional thing that might be useful to ask when introducing each hand is not just your reads on the villains but their possible reads on you, what your image is at that table. I know it's often hard to remember after the fact but it can have a big impact. If you've recently shown down a bluff that will change how people play against you, or if you've been hammering on a fish he may be pissed off and start awkwardly playing back at you, etc.

In the JJ hand, I agree with TheLoon that his turn raise is a lot like a blocking bet. He makes a small raise so that if you shove he can get away from his hand but he's really hoping that you just call and it slows you down so you check the river and he can check behind and just get to show his hand down. He doesn't want to play for 240bb stacks so he thinks this is the best way to get to a cheap showdown. And the hands that make sense for him to make that play are AA, KK, QJ. You've shown a lot of strength by c/r flop and leading turn so I think it's very unlikely that he bluffs here (unless he views you as bluffy/spewy - getting back to my above point) and if he is bluffing he'd probably bet bigger. So based on that analysis, I think if you call the turn and bet the river, he may talk himself into calling on the river because there's so much money in the pot. But if you try to check-raise I think he is very likely to check behind and you miss a chance to possibly get some more value. Basically I think the chance that he calls a river bet with worse is greater than the chance that he valuebets/bluffs with worse if you check.



Great comment and thank you for the feedback. About my own image, I think it doesn't matter most of the time because on these stakes people just don't pay that much attention. Allthough you are right that in some hands it really does matter and I will definatelly use that for future videos. So thank you! Smile .

After thinking about it over and over again, since Manchild seemed to disagree with this line and wanted to c/r the river. I also come back to the conclusion that I should call turn and jamm river. I see Manchild allready says that in the comments, it was a great hand to discuss, hence we are still forming our opinions right now.

Posted over 3 years ago

TheLoon

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I listen to Joe Tall and just can't get James Woods out of my head :\




Isn't that the guy that mucked the winning hand at showdown? LOL

Posted over 3 years ago

oneillsurfer03

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I like the first hand and the call on the river. I think its an easy call because what is he really repping. any ace makes no sense because its not the best board to float with A-high when you bet with a player still on the button. Then he checks back the turn when the ace falls I think ur hand is pretty safe almost always. When I watched it i though he had a pair like 88 or 99 that he was trying to get to showdown.Then his bet on the river is one of two things either the nuts or nothing basically. He is repping an A which makes no sense, KT or QJ. All the hands don't make sense really so I think I snap call the river . he is basically showing you QJ or air IMO.

Now from his perspective if he is going to play a hand like T2s on the button and the bluff card falls he should be barrelling turn and river and expecting you to fold. Especially when he floats the flop.

wp sir

Posted over 3 years ago

RatAttack

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Any plans for a Tommy Angelo series? Would be A+ imo.

Posted over 3 years ago

pr0wler

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I have a few questions for Tommy Angelo (or anyone else that feels qualified to answer the question): How long should your sessions be before you take a break? What kind of breaks should you be taking, or does it matter? How long should your breaks last for?

Posted over 3 years ago

Tommy Angelo

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I have a few questions for Tommy Angelo (or anyone else that feels qualified to answer the question): How long should your sessions be before you take a break? What kind of breaks should you be taking, or does it matter? How long should your breaks last for?



Here are some small answers to your big questions. This is from my book:

6. Sets, Sessions, and Breaks

A set is the amount of time between sitting down and standing up. Think of your poker life as a series of sets.

A set is typically an hour long. Shorter than an hour is fine. Longer than an hour might be fine. But longer than two hours is never fine.

A session is one or more sets grouped in time. Long sessions are fine, but only for as long as you are fine, and only if done in sets.

A break is the time between sets. To take a break, remove yourself physically from the game, and also mentally. Focus your mind on something you can see or hear, or on some part of your body. What’s critical is that you stop the poker thinking, even if it’s only for a few seconds. (More on that later.) The main thing here is to think of breaks as something to practice at and get better at and do, do, do.

Posted over 3 years ago

OX45AL

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