Episode Three

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Episode Three

In the third installment of Mad Potters, riverboatking and DJ Sensei find some good excuses to mash the pot button a lot more while getting it in at $5/10 PLO. Big pots and big stacks ahoy!

tags: riverboatking dj sensei plo $1kplo $5/10

This Series: Mad Potters

DJ Sensei gets a top of the line coach as he sits with riverboatking to learn mid and high stakes PLO. Watch the live play of each player with dual-audio and watch them dive deep into equity calculations as they prop-bet on the results! The Mad Potters show you how to take the next step to dominating PLO games with their unique styles of play.

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Comments for Episode Three

rusty trombone
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Im not your buddy, guy!

Posted May 21, 2008 12:43pm

DINNERDOG
Pair of Deuces
128 posts
Joined 04/08

Haha, i love these videos. Extremely entertaining.

Posted May 21, 2008 1:06pm

tiil
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5 posts
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This is madness.

Posted May 21, 2008 1:17pm

azman3000
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7 posts
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wow you ran good hilarious commentary one of the funniest videos ive ever seen put some of the flips could of well went the other way thats why its just a degenerate gambling form of poker imo

Posted May 21, 2008 4:19pm

action_jp
Deuces Full
649 posts
Joined 02/08

Fantastic video - I'm surprised at how weaktight these players are at 1000PLO.. would you say that this is pretty par for the course for these stakes?

Also, Dan runs on permanent GodMode in this video. :D

Posted May 21, 2008 5:29pm

SlimboKarvell
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Great vid!

Posted May 21, 2008 6:57pm

moronicus
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funny and informative stuff - enjoyed it very much!

Posted May 21, 2008 7:10pm

Cblanks
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Do you advocate this style if you are playing many more tables. Vanessa seams to teach a much tighter game and my question goes to its profitability. When 9 tabling (1-2plo) is it more profitable to play tighter and not to get yourself into as many high variance situations?

Posted May 21, 2008 7:16pm

hjg24
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4 posts
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Yes the videos are entertaining, but I don't think they are every informative.

Many of your preflop decisions are really bad. For example, raising Ah4h7s3c first to act 5 handed is really bad.

Posted May 21, 2008 11:17pm

hjg24
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Do you advocate this style if you are playing many more tables. Vanessa seams to teach a much tighter game and my question goes to its profitability. When 9 tabling (1-2plo) is it more profitable to play tighter and not to get yourself into as many high variance situations?



This style of play will lose your money. Vanessa's videos are very good.

Posted May 21, 2008 11:17pm

grafyx
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I have a question about the A Q J 9 hand. Why do you think shoving is more profitable than just calling? We have a slight edge (52-55%) vs most run hands that are in svenns range, but we are only 31% in the main pot vs AA** and a run hand like svenns.

I did some quick math, we have to commit 260 extra dollars to the main pot with 31% equity vs AA and a run. (260 * 3) * .31 = 241.8 expectation. so we lose 18 dollars in the main pot. We commit 856 to the side pot with 53% equity. (856 * 2) * .53 = 907. we make 51 dollars in the side pot. 51-18 = net gain of 33 dollars. So shoving is profitable, but is obviously high variance. Let me know if I made a math error.

We are getting 3.3-1 to call and see the flop with relative position. Does anyone know how to compute our expectation for this situation? It seems considerably much more complicated. My intuition (whatever thats worth in omaha) tells me that it will be lower variance as we will often have a greater edge when we commit the rest of our stack post flop.

Posted May 21, 2008 11:34pm

duganja1
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the tuff fish reference is fantastic.

Posted May 22, 2008 12:48am

thac
Pair of Deuces
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This commentary is hilarious. More dual commentary videos please!

Posted May 22, 2008 2:12am

hjg24
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Joined 03/08

I take back my previous comments where I was whining like a little bitch. This video is hilarious. Also, I think the loose preflop style is fine for the table on the right because all of the players were so tight/passive. At lower limits you are going to have a lot of loose passive fish and you won't be able to get away with raising as many hands. But I think they played it perfectly.

Posted May 22, 2008 2:35am

shootaa
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great jorbe guys, liked it very much

Posted May 22, 2008 4:08am

Jeffmet3
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haha, these videos are awesome

Posted May 22, 2008 4:50am

jweak
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"58J nothing" :)

Awesome video.

Posted May 23, 2008 2:10am

kolo
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Yes the videos are entertaining, but I don't think they are every informative.

Many of your preflop decisions are really bad. For example, raising Ah4h7s3c first to act 5 handed is really bad.



I don't think raising any 1 hand in a bubble is awful

Posted May 23, 2008 3:51pm

DJ Sensei
Exec Producer
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704 posts
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I have a question about the A Q J 9 hand. Why do you think shoving is more profitable than just calling? We have a slight edge (52-55%) vs most run hands that are in svenns range, but we are only 31% in the main pot vs AA** and a run hand like svenns.

I did some quick math, we have to commit 260 extra dollars to the main pot with 31% equity vs AA and a run. (260 * 3) * .31 = 241.8 expectation. so we lose 18 dollars in the main pot. We commit 856 to the side pot with 53% equity. (856 * 2) * .53 = 907. we make 51 dollars in the side pot. 51-18 = net gain of 33 dollars. So shoving is profitable, but is obviously high variance. Let me know if I made a math error.

We are getting 3.3-1 to call and see the flop with relative position. Does anyone know how to compute our expectation for this situation? It seems considerably much more complicated. My intuition (whatever thats worth in omaha) tells me that it will be lower variance as we will often have a greater edge when we commit the rest of our stack post flop.



I think the best reason to just call preflop is that we can see a flop and decide whether to commit the rest of our stack. Obviously we only need to hit a little piece of it to continue since the pot will be so big and we have all these live cards, but the times it comes down 654r we can bail out. It kinda sucks to have to lay down our hand with that much money already in the pot, but so it goes.

I haven't done any math on this situation, but I think it would be tough to do since our equity varies so much from flop to flop, but I think it makes sense to be able to do that.

Posted May 29, 2008 7:02pm

grafyx
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I think the best reason to just call preflop is that we can see a flop and decide whether to commit the rest of our stack.



What is the best reason for shoving? I think a shove makes more sense when we have a hand like JT98 ds that can have 60% equity in the side pot vs smaller run hands in svenns range.

Posted May 29, 2008 9:06pm

jajvirta
Deuces Full
594 posts
Joined 03/07

I had this great idea while watching this video. With all the talk about prop-betting, it came to me, and this certainly isn't an orginal idea, that poker sites should implement prop-betting inside the software. What would be more comforting than to get money from the prop-bet on a all flop when you have red aces in your hand! And in any place, a nice way to keep the games exciting. Any Full Tilt executives out there, are you hearing me?

Posted May 30, 2008 2:59pm

beachbum
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I think this video should come with that disclaimer you see on commercials: "Warning, these are trained professionals, do not try this at home!"

Posted Jun 13, 2008 7:17am

Scipio
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great vid, very funny

Posted Jul 10, 2008 11:51am

violtu
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65 posts
Joined 07/08

you guys just love to gamble.
On str8 flush hand.
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Ad Ah 5h 157178 31.44 332691 66.54 10131 2.03 0.324
As Qs Jh 9h 124024 24.80 365759 73.15 10217 2.04 0.258
8c 5c Td 6d 208581 41.72 291333 58.27 86 0.02 0.417

actually dude with small "rundown" was money favorite and you had nothing nearly near 35% PF in this case.
I wish i'd run that hot when taking shots on those stakes...

Posted Jul 12, 2008 9:37pm