Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by whitelime (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:19:29

The concept of checking the turn with a hand like this when the flop is called and the turn has not changed anything really made me think about whether I am continuing too much on the turn when I have a marginal hand. I really like how you explained it in one sentence. thanks.

In the hand where you got crai on turn, I feel like Phil Galfond would disagree with choosing a betsize of pot here... Seems like choosing an amount you could potentially be bet/folding would be better? Potting there indicates that you are always committed, no?

In the hand where you got crai on turn, I feel like Phil Galfond would disagree with choosing a betsize of pot here... Seems like choosing an amount you could potentially be bet/folding would be better? Potting there indicates that you are always committed, no?

You want to indicate that you are committed because you want hands like AAJx and AAQx or AKxy to just fold.

i think it's abit rich saying he has mastered PLO

great video though

Time Link to 00:24:21

whitelime,

when we bet the flop here is it for protection mostly? If he has any queen with a flush draw here, we only have 35% equity here. I guess I dont see much value in this hand.

In this spot w/ only one pair, I usually check behind since theres so little turn cards we can comfortably barrel (5,8,A not of dimonds, eight spades for a backdoor fd). I also dont like building up a big pot with only one pair.

I just dont see him folding on this flop enough to make cbetting profitable alone, and IMO, your building a pot with a weak/vulnerable hand. Could you explain a little more why we bet the flop here?

whitelime,

when we bet the flop here is it for protection mostly? If he has any queen with a flush draw here, we only have 35% equity here. I guess I dont see much value in this hand.

In this spot w/ only one pair, I usually check behind since theres so little turn cards we can comfortably barrel (5,8,A not of dimonds, eight spades for a backdoor fd). I also dont like building up a big pot with only one pair.

I just dont see him folding on this flop enough to make cbetting profitable alone, and IMO, your building a pot with a weak/vulnerable hand. Could you explain a little more why we bet the flop here?

Your thinking is backwards. You should be checking hands like AKQJ here that have a lot of cards that can improve your hand nicely but still isn't strong enough to bet and call a c/r with on the flop. With AQ85, there is really no card we want to see on the turn other than an A or Q so you should just bet and try to take it down right there.

Time Link to 00:32:33

Is it standard to fold a semi wrap there? I know is more OE than wrap but its a limped bot and the guy donks somewhat small....

Is it standard to fold a semi wrap there? I know is more OE than wrap but its a limped bot and the guy donks somewhat small....

There is still someone else left to act and we are OOP.

Time Link to 00:44:05

Somewhat confused here... mostly because at the end of the video you give him all the credit in the world for having a monster because hes a nit.

Im not really loving the 9752ds against what his opening range is...

There is still someone else left to act and we are OOP.

Isint this pretty much what we are looking for completing the small blind?
What about donking out this flop?

At 6:28 you mention a Deuce Plays episode.
I'm probably just too retarded to find it.
Could anyone link to it?
Thanks!

fantastic series emil. you really got me into playing lots of PLO now and be inspired about poker once again given how interesting this game is =)

now what i have trouble with is:

- what type of boards are good to c/r?
- what do you do when you get c/r on what type of boards?

am i correct if i say that if we have 7xxxx on K72r and we get c/r hes more likely to be bluffing given we have a 7 or say 77xx in our hand? is it true that in PLO you cannot be c/r for value as thinly as you can in NL? especially on dry boards?

also it would be interesting to hear what type of hands are good to 3bet IP and OOP depending on if someone opened early or late position.

other than that, hope a lot of more episodes are coming as the game itself is so complicated. please dont shut down too early!

Somewhat confused here... mostly because at the end of the video you give him all the credit in the world for having a monster because hes a nit.

Im not really loving the 9752ds against what his opening range is...

Yeah this was too loose. Would need it to be 9754.

Time Link to 00:30:44

The 4-bet-fold from TKORampage, what hands could he be doing this with? All the strong rundowns can call the 5bet with this much money in the pot? KK** is probably a fold, but isn't it close if you want to 4bet good kings here in the first place?

You said that parasita played the hand pretty bad, but with the $192 dead money from TKORampage, his play turned out to be not so bad (ev-wise). I guess he just got lucky that rampage folded here, but wouldn't his play also been good if both of you got aces?

I am not playing plo for too long, but the main idea I get about these preflop spots is that it's really hard to make a big mistake. Several scenario's could happen where the move parasita made is break even or even +ev. Therefore, the overall ev of his play can't be that bad (given he minraist and callt the squeeze, I do agree that minraise utg was bad)?

The 4-bet-fold from TKORampage, what hands could he be doing this with? All the strong rundowns can call the 5bet with this much money in the pot? KK** is probably a fold, but isn't it close if you want to 4bet good kings here in the first place?

You said that parasita played the hand pretty bad, but with the $192 dead money from TKORampage, his play turned out to be not so bad (ev-wise). I guess he just got lucky that rampage folded here, but wouldn't his play also been good if both of you got aces?

I am not playing plo for too long, but the main idea I get about these preflop spots is that it's really hard to make a big mistake. Several scenario's could happen where the move parasita made is break even or even +ev. Therefore, the overall ev of his play can't be that bad (given he minraist and callt the squeeze, I do agree that minraise utg was bad)?

He almost always has something like KKxy or AKQT. KK can't call there unless he has some reason to think I have non-AA.

regarding parasita's KQ87ss hand:

i agree that he shouldve folded pre flop and to your squeeze, but once he calls, and the other guy 4bets after having called pre and then you (whitelime) 5bets....both of you are going to have AA almost always.

if you run the simulation KQ87ss vs AA vs AA youll see that KQ87ss has 37% eq vs AA who have about 32% each so then its a call. if you factor in that the other guy probably doesnt have premium AA since he sandbagged instead of 3betting right away that might bump the KQ87 eq another percent or two (just guessing here but if you think about it, it makes sense...hard to run a simulation for that though).

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/29-Podcasts/topics/140691-Deuce-Plays-Episode-66-Wh#posts-1148291

heres the podcast for anyone who is looking for it

The intro cracks me up

The intro cracks me up

Lol - Glad it's not just me! It's the vacuum cleaner and tooth sparkle that does it for me. If I were Whitelime, I'd be pretty happy/proud about this one...

What I don't understand is that 90% of comments are about preflop play. I mean who plays 2-4$ up, should know something about this. I would rather have comments about adjustments that you make, when you see what others are doing and how to make pressure vs passive opponents and how to counterfeit aggressive opponents.....

Time Link to 00:32:35

The left hand side K56r flop. Why wouldn't you call here for a smallish pot bet when its a rainbow board? You have the good end of an oesd, and it's a badugi hand on a rainbow board. Both ends are to nut straights too since you have the TJ overcards. Aside from a rainbow flop containing a 9, I'm not sure what you're trying to flop.

The player in the middle is pretty much never checkraising when he's in the middle position of a limped pot, so I don't accept the argument that the player behind makes the hand less playable. If anything, she might call improving your implied odds. Having nut outs here I just don't see the concern.

Time Link to 00:45:03

What's the worst hand you are bet/calling (bet/shoving) here?