Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Can't wait to see this!

Hey guys, great vid from what i've seen so far. Could you please go through you're scoring system for spadeeye?

nice vid,
sounds like an interesting series
there was a problem with whiteheats mic or something
because there was a lot of feedback when he spoke

Hey guys. Am wondering if anyone else is having trouble with the ipod compatible version of this vid. I have plenty of available space on my ipod, but am still having trouble importing this video and a couple of others.

Help appreciated.

Thanks guys.

Hey guys, great vid from what i've seen so far. Could you please go through you're scoring system for spadeeye?

Fyi, I remember an earlier video where someone goes over spade eye scoring and other stuff. Looks like I need to get that piece of software.

This series looks like it will be the DOG'S BOLLOCKS!

Hey guys. Am wondering if anyone else is having trouble with the ipod compatible version of this vid. I have plenty of available space on my ipod, but am still having trouble importing this video and a couple of others.

Help appreciated.

Thanks guys.

I've had a few reports of problems with ipod vids lately and will test when I am back from the weekend -- sorry about the delay on this one but I'm gone for the next two days. I promise I'll get it fixed, though.

Rob

Tbh spadeeye is a great piece of software for finding your reg fish, but I find the problem with this type of software is that unless you are datamining 24/7 you will miss out on a lot of fish who play once a month, or the ones that play a few times in a year, whereby youl be playing on the table spadeeye told you to play on which are a bunch of poor to average regs rather than the once in a while fish that randomly comes on.

What I find more important is to use spadeeye and HM (or PT) to find the "sharks" which win the most $$ at the stakes (or if Im a FTP player use 2+2 forums which give a loist of the biggest winners from 100NL up) and then if you notice them on your table, give them less actions and assume others are fish.

I think this is gonna be the best vid series I have seen as a 25nl player, cant wait for next video

Fyi, I remember an earlier video where someone goes over spade eye scoring and other stuff. Looks like I need to get that piece of software.

This series looks like it will be the DOG'S BOLLOCKS!

Messiah has 2 videos on table selection where he goes through his ranges.

Messiah has 2 videos on table selection where he goes through his ranges.

beat me to it! can't wait to see this aaron/alex

I had a problem with the Prima version of spade eye i cant set it up to work off of HM database anyone else had that problem??

So looking foward to this series will give my feedback in an hour.

Anyone else having sound problems WhiteHeatSYD sound? I'm using the web based version...

Yeah, alex's sound wasn't that good. Other then that, great vid guys!

Yeah, alex's sound wasn't that good. Other then that, great vid guys!

+1 Sound really let it down. But great stuff, really want to hear more from WOT!

These intros just leave you wanting more cant wait for the next 1 to come out. Good stuff

Great first ep. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

I honestly can't give any constructive feedback but you guys need to figure out a way to improve the sound of long distance videos like this one (where 2 or more people are making a video from different locations via skype)

This has been an issue in the past and it seems to get worse.

This is a great video and I admire WOT's advice a lot but Alex' sound definately tilted the hell out of me.

Unfortunately I'm not a tech/IT person at all so I can't give advice but please Deuced Cracked - tech staff: Think about some solution!

Sugar Nut

I had a problem with the Prima version of spade eye i cant set it up to work off of HM database anyone else had that problem??

So looking foward to this series will give my feedback in an hour.

Yea it looks a bit complicated, any chance of a quick tool-time tutorial vid for setting it up? ;D

ventrilo

Looking forward to more of this series. I like Wilt's approach and it seems like he's comfortable speaking.

The sound issue seemed to become really noticable around 28 minutes in, when Alex starts to show his HUD setup.

ventrilo

Or just buy a headset that doesn't suck.

Anyway, yes, you need to fix the audio.

We got alex a professional headset such as the ones that the rest of us use for videos.

We'll try another sound medium for ep 4+ (we're already done with 1-3). If you guys say ventrilo will work well (and we can find a way to record it) we'll certainly go that route.

Part of the issue has to be that he's on the opposite side of the globe as I am, and his machine has a lot of things running (HM + skype + screen sharing + spade eye + the actual poker client). I will try to work with rob and alex and see if we can perfect this though.

Thanks for hanging on through the tech difficulties. Alex, DC, and I are all committed to trying to put out the best series we can for you guys.

Thanks again.

Aaron

hey, nice to see another beginners' series.
I posted this about 2 weeks ago in sthief's "Turning the Corner Episode II". Till now i didn't receive a response, but because this is something i*'m really curious about, ill post it here. Maybe sthief or some other coach could give me his opinion about that.

"1. You say that a good situation is, when you can isolate a bad player. Further we don't want to play OOP. I always struggle with that, because on the one hand i often find myself playing against fishes, but unfortunatelly out of position. So is this a good situation, or a bad one (because they are very loose and call a lot, so that im mostly playing oop; nevertheless they are fishes i want to play against...)
So do you have a rule of thumb or some guidelines how much i should loosen up my range. Or shouldn't i do this at all, even when im possibly up against a loose fish (or more..). Is position so important, that i even have to tighten up my range against such loose fishes?
btw: generally: if i have some good situation "factors" and some "bad situation", how do i know if i should loosen/tighten up? According to good s. factors i should loosen, according to the bad s. factors i should tighten up. What is more important. Any general rules for that? What has to be considered?
BTW: sthief considered a bad situation amongst other things when you have "loose & not passive players behind you (who are in position)". So according to this, it's not a bad situation when you have loose callers behind you, thus you don't have to tighten up?

2. You said that you should call with bigger pockets and AK when you get 3bettet by a tight player. Let's say he 3bets us w/ AA-JJ, AK (which is tight xD); why should i call with AK? Show should this ever be +EV? My AK is totally stroke by his range???"

I want to state that this text was referring to Turning the Corner Episode II, but i think it's an interesting subject in general.
Thanks very much in advance

On ventrilo to setup recording you just have to click setup->recording in the bottom right hand side of the client to select your input device. I imagine its best to have the recording done on the person's computer which has the least amount of stuff running.

You might also consider changing your screen sharing software if you are using microsoft's solution (shareview is it?). I'm not an expert in this area but there are a ton of commercial packages (adobe breeze etc.) available. At my company we use one provided directly from our ISP its more expensive but is a ton lighter this might not be feasible of course if you are all recording from your own homes with different ISPs rather than an office. Alternatively try to use wired network connections to improve bandwidth rather than a wireless lan.

the biggest thing that has helped me with these problems is making sure teamviewer is set to "optimize speed" and not "optimize quality"

You guys should try out http://www.mikogo.com/Welcome.aspx

2. You said that you should call with bigger pockets and AK when you get 3bettet by a tight player. Let's say he 3bets us w/ AA-JJ, AK (which is tight xD); why should i call with AK? Show should this ever be +EV? My AK is totally stroke by his range???"

You're actually have about 40% equity versus that range which by pot odds alone justifies a call vs. a pot size raise. This doesn't consider implied or reverse-implied odds, of course so take it for what it's worth. My point is you are not getting killed by that range so a call might be best.

yeah if theres any decent amount of money in the pot, unless its a vast overbet its almost always good to get AIPF with AK since youre rarely worse than a 40% dog. thats not to say its always the most +EV decision, but it should be more +EV than folding which is 0EV.

On ventrilo to setup recording you just have to click setup->recording in the bottom right hand side of the client to select your input device. I imagine its best to have the recording done on the person's computer which has the least amount of stuff running.

You might also consider changing your screen sharing software if you are using microsoft's solution (shareview is it?). I'm not an expert in this area but there are a ton of commercial packages (adobe breeze etc.) available. At my company we use one provided directly from our ISP its more expensive but is a ton lighter this might not be feasible of course if you are all recording from your own homes with different ISPs rather than an office. Alternatively try to use wired network connections to improve bandwidth rather than a wireless lan.

The problem with ventrilio is that it only records what is going in your mic and not what is going over both streams, and there's no easy way to sync it up with the video.

That said I'll get them to start using newer codecs/beta versions of Skype which I've found to have a lot less digitization over slow connections. I spent a few days trying different applications and as much as I know you guys are all ventrilio fans, I never got a sufficiently good result when trying to record + sync up my audio + someone elses audio + sync the video feed. It's also not exactly a user-friendly program.

the biggest thing that has helped me with these problems is making sure teamviewer is set to "optimize speed" and not "optimize quality"

would love to use TV but we can't because i've used it so much they have locked my laptop out of using it. essentially i've done so much coaching using it they say i'm using it commercially.

we've tried a ton of different setups unfortunately... the latest solution is logmein for screen sharing

mikogo has never worked well for me

but when i call w/ AK. And let's say the flop brings a A or a K, then i have to go broke obv...
Problem is, that i only get called by better hands. So my reverse implied odds are terrible. If i don't flop sth. then i have to give up anyway.
This indicates that calling is indeed -EV. (Or, would you call w/ AK, flop sth and then fold to action...?)
btw: it seems that my first question gets overseen again. Pleeeeeease not; it's even way more important to me ; )
Thank you guys

would love to use TV but we can't because i've used it so much they have locked my laptop out of using it. essentially i've done so much coaching using it they say i'm using it commercially.

we've tried a ton of different setups unfortunately... the latest solution is logmein for screen sharing

mikogo has never worked well for me

wow is this something i need to be worried about? i use teamviewer for every single session i do...

if you coach like 30-40 hours per month then yea it's going to be a problem sooner or later

if you coach like 30-40 hours per month then yea it's going to be a problem sooner or later

I only just realised how expensive team viewer was. Its like $1400 + #Coaches * $850 if you want to cover everyone at DC although that is obviously a bit overkill.

aimpro has worked fine for me in the past fwiw (screen sharing).

Is there something wrong with the ipod version? iTunes won't pick it up and quicktime player gives me an error message.

Is there something wrong with the ipod version? iTunes won't pick it up and quicktime player gives me an error message.

Nevermind, just saw the previous message.

Please also check out the From the Ground Up vid, I get the same error on that.

Hey guys. Am wondering if anyone else is having trouble with the ipod compatible version of this vid. I have plenty of available space on my ipod, but am still having trouble importing this video and a couple of others.

Help appreciated.

Thanks guys.

iPod issues should be fixed -- I reconverted the files a few minutes ago.

thanks,
Rob

iPod issues should be fixed -- I reconverted the files a few minutes ago.

thanks,
Rob

There seems to be an audio problem starting at about 8:28 where the voices cut out. I downloaded twice and got the same thing both times.

There seems to be an audio problem starting at about 8:28 where the voices cut out. I downloaded twice and got the same thing both times.

On just the iPod version?

On just the iPod version?

So far as I know, yes.

O Lord, why I'm getting ignored by everyone these days...

"You say that a good situation is, when you can isolate a bad player. Further we don't want to play OOP. I always struggle with that, because on the one hand i often find myself playing against fishes, but unfortunatelly out of position. So is this a good situation, or a bad one (because they are very loose and call a lot, so that im mostly playing oop; nevertheless they are fishes i want to play against...)
So do you have a rule of thumb or some guidelines how much i should loosen up my range. Or shouldn't i do this at all, even when im possibly up against a loose fish (or more..). Is position so important, that i even have to tighten up my range against such loose fishes?
btw: generally: if i have some good situation "factors" and some "bad situation", how do i know if i should loosen/tighten up? According to good s. factors i should loosen, according to the bad s. factors i should tighten up. What is more important. Any general rules for that? What has to be considered?
BTW: sthief considered a bad situation amongst other things when you have "loose & not passive players behind you (who are in position)". So according to this, it's not a bad situation when you have loose callers behind you, thus you don't have to tighten up?"

O Lord, why I'm getting ignored by everyone these days...

"You say that a good situation is, when you can isolate a bad player. Further we don't want to play OOP. I always struggle with that, because on the one hand i often find myself playing against fishes, but unfortunatelly out of position. So is this a good situation, or a bad one (because they are very loose and call a lot, so that im mostly playing oop; nevertheless they are fishes i want to play against...)
So do you have a rule of thumb or some guidelines how much i should loosen up my range. Or shouldn't i do this at all, even when im possibly up against a loose fish (or more..). Is position so important, that i even have to tighten up my range against such loose fishes?
btw: generally: if i have some good situation "factors" and some "bad situation", how do i know if i should loosen/tighten up? According to good s. factors i should loosen, according to the bad s. factors i should tighten up. What is more important. Any general rules for that? What has to be considered?
BTW: sthief considered a bad situation amongst other things when you have "loose & not passive players behind you (who are in position)". So according to this, it's not a bad situation when you have loose callers behind you, thus you don't have to tighten up?"

First, to answer the larger question, I think the only way you’re going to know is experience because there are so many variables at play including your own confidence in your play that it’s really insanely hard for someone outside the particular situation to judge.

Second, imho position trumps damn near everything, especially at the lower stakes where folks are really bad at playing out of position.

Third, there’s almost no situation that is universally bad. It’s just a matter of being bad for one tactic while potentially being good for another.

Now let me take a moment to point something out. You say that sthief considered having loose and not passive players behind you a bad situation. You then generalize that when comparing it to someone saying it’s not bad to have loose callers behind you.

The difference is how aggressive they are. Loose passive players behind you can be a gold mine. You bet and raise with your good hands they call preflop and maybe flop bets but they don’t put much pressure on you. Loose aggressive players are going to be raising you and putting you to decisions you don’t necessarily want to make. Do you want to get it all in with KK? Well they’re going to raise you on boards where you’re not sure you do. Sometimes they’ll have it and sometimes they won’t but you won’t know.

O Lord, why I'm getting ignored by everyone these days...

give me a time stamp on the sthief video you're referring to, then i'll check it out to try to more accurately answer your question. usually when you have a question about a video it helps to put the time stamp for where the tough spot comes up, then posting the question in the appropriate thread will also increase the likelihood of a helpful response.

thanks
WoT

So far as I know, yes.

Reproduced again, I checked it out and the sound played through. I hope it works this time -- looks like our converter software caught a bug somewhere along the lines but I upgraded and all seems well now.

Reproduced again, I checked it out and the sound played through. I hope it works this time -- looks like our converter software caught a bug somewhere along the lines but I upgraded and all seems well now.

Thanks for checking into it.

excuse me WoT, but i wrote everything you need to answer the question in my prior posts, but if it helps the whole "Analyzing the situation" issue come up at about 31:00.
BTW: I posted the same text two weeks ago in sthief's "Turning the Corner Episode II" threa, but didn't get a response yet.
Thanks for your effort.

Great start guys. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

Another good beginner's video. Sound quality definetely needs to be improved.

Keep up the good work.

Just so you guys know, the first 3 EPs of this have been recorded and the sound quality gets a bit better, but I'm going to be meeting with Alex and Aaron to help them fine-tune Skype for overseas conversations so EP4-8 (and anything that comes up in the future) should be WAY better quality, assuming I can ninja it properly.

Rob

Wilt any chance you could put an RSS feed thingy on your blog?

Great stuff, I loved the part about Poker Stove. Don't know why but I've never used it to its full power I suppose. Thanks for the video!

Great Vid but Alex's sound is terrible. Great to see that you'll get him a new mic but he should try to speak more clearly too.

Wilt any chance you could put an RSS feed thingy on your blog?

i'll try to get this done this week, putting it on my to do list.

Great topic, looking forward to this series. But as mentioned, the sound is just too bad and together with lagging internet, it was painful watching parts of this. IMO: better let Wilt rerecord parts where you have this problem.

just an fyi... Spade Eye is on Poker Stars list of "prohibited" softwares

what he said ^
List of prohibited software programs
Don't want anyone to get in trouble and blame you guys

time stamp = 31 minutes

i'll try to get this done this week, putting it on my to do list.

uhhh ive been a subscriber to +EV poker using google reader for months...!

I'm a new member and am watching this series to start... Quite impressed so far!

brilliant made me go and get HEM ............ thanks again guys

I've only been a member for a month or so. I watched this vid on the weekend and went and got Spadeeye as recommended in this vid as I'd been having a lot of trouble finding any fish lately.

Thumbs up for SpadeEye (and your recommendation) as I won nearly 2 buy-ins off the top fish it found across 600 hands in a combination of valuetowning the fish and stealing his 40% limps by iso-raising and Cbeting him to death.

Thanks guys.

Time Link to 00:22:20

6 MAX STARTING HAND CHART GUIDE LINE
USE IT AS REFERENCE BUT LOOK TO FIND WAYS TO DEVIATE FROM IT VS CERTAIN PLAYER TYPES!

Hey there,

Just wanted to ask a quick question about the SB vs BB hand pretty early on (11:22), where you state that he's likely to lead into us if he hits something and checking that fast is generally quite a weak give up style play.

Would it be good 2nd level thinking here for him to C/R on this flop? If he were to C/R you on this board, what would be the minimum you continue with?

My thinking is that we think joe bloggs is going to bet when he hits, check when he misses. So when he comes over the top with a C/R it makes us think twice before we bet after his checks and shows that he's a thinking player.

Thoughts?

Kry

Hey there,

Just wanted to ask a quick question about the SB vs BB hand pretty early on (11:22), where you state that he's likely to lead into us if he hits something and checking that fast is generally quite a weak give up style play.

Would it be good 2nd level thinking here for him to C/R on this flop? If he were to C/R you on this board, what would be the minimum you continue with?

My thinking is that we think joe bloggs is going to bet when he hits, check when he misses. So when he comes over the top with a C/R it makes us think twice before we bet after his checks and shows that he's a thinking player.

Thoughts?

Kry

i think you have the wrong timestamp, could you look it up for me?

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Here's the chart cut out. JPEG form for right now. Although I'm with the authors on not depending too much on these things, we're all noobs sometime and getting it in front of you while playing may help some start figuring out hand strength better.


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all these progs are sick, but i use a mac does anyone know if i can use these programs on a macbook? and if so, how??!

is spade eye still around? can u use it on fulltilt?

is spade eye still around? can u use it on fulltilt?

I really have no idea. You might consider posting this in the SSNL forum and asking the guys that grind a lot of hands at 6max who use the software.

I've never used the software myself.

You could also try PM'ing whiteheatsyd

Hi. Great video series, WiltOnTilt. I'm learning a lot from the series and lot from this site. Thanks for what you do for us trying to set a solid foundation, it's greatly appreciated.

I have a few questions regarding the starting hand chart.

How would you use that chart if you are in the Blinds ... meaning:

1) Under the title of the Small Blind & Big Blind, it says "Raise more than pot ... when do I apply that and under what situation? Is that when everyone has folded to me in the SB and it's just the BB and I left so I raise more than the pot OR if there is someone who has limped in front of me and I raise more than the pot? I'm confused on that.

2) In the 'Open or Raise with limp' Row, under the SB Column - If everyone has limped in front of me, should I still open with that range you have listed from the SB because it's a pretty wide range and I will be OOP Post-flop OR is that range strictly for SB and the BB left to act? And if it's just for the Blinds, what range should I use if I have limpers in front of me just in cases the BB decides to Raise?

Also ...

3) On the bottom cell of the 'Button'in the Reraise Row, it says 'AQ and TT if raise from late position'. You mean if the CO Raises, then I should reraise with that range INCLUDING AQ and TT, right? The late position is the CO position, correct?

4) On the bottom cells of the 'SB' & 'BB' in the Reraise Row, it says '22 - TT if raise from LP vs Wide Opener {incl. BB - (not multiway)}'. I don't understand when to apply that.

I know in your video you state that the starting hand chart isn't set in stone. I just want to understand it fully before I deviate from it as you suggested.

Thank you.

1 - I would apply this in each situation vs tough competition (ie those who might be inclined to 3bet you a lot). So, opening 4x to discourage light 3bets when it's folded to you in the sb vs a tough bb or if a bad player limps the button and I wanted to try to isolate with 9Ts I would raise more than pot, probably closer to 5bb. That said, it's not set in stone. Especially the thing about raising to 4x if it's folded to you in the sb. I would only make that adjustment if I felt it was needed, otherwise just keep giving yourself a better price by making it 3xbb or even less if you can get away with it.

This charge is pretty basic and nitty in some situations. For instance I would probably raise a little lighter than what this is showing in a few spots, including opening from the sb, however it's meant to be a starting point and not an end all-be all. Ultimately it comes down to exploiting people however you can, and vs some people you'll need to loosen these ranges and vs others you'll want to tighten them.

2 - depends on how comfortable you are playing postflop. For beginners, with 2-3 limps in front of you and you're in the sb with J9s, I would say just complete. For myself though, I'd feel happy to raise there and try to isolate some of the bad players or simply play a bloated pot with a hand that connects reasonably well and with initiative. It is not mandatory to raise all of these hands though with limps in front. The better you get at hand reading, value betting, and barreling turns/rivers as a bluff, the wider you can get away with raising in some of these spots.

3 - right, it just means that you should be careful about 3betting those hands vs MP and UTG openers. Check their positional vpip and their fold to 3bet stat to see if we should be popping them with those hands. These days at hsnl, people are raising plenty wide from MP to 3bet a hand like AQ (generally), but at the small stakes it might not be so hot vs some of the nittier players. Again, the chart is just a guide for general strategies, but it will always come down to your interaction with each specific player.

4 - Similarly, in the SB cell under re-raise row, you can definitely 3bet wider than this... including AQ, KQ, and some other similar hands provided that your opposition is playing loose enough to 3bets. If they are very tight, maybe you want to take out some hands like AQ and KQ and instead 3bet them with 68s instead. Basically with this section, it's saying that you should be more willing to 3bet the small pairs against guys who are stealing wide because they are tough to play oop for a flat call. Calling to just flop a set won't be profitable vs guys stealing 35-50%+ in late position because the implied odds aren't there, so you either have to make up for it by turning your hand into a bluff or successfully getting to showdown in the correct situations. For many people it's tough to do that, so they are better off either 3betting those small pairs or just folding them. I agree with you though the chart isn't very clear on this.

Let me know if there are any follow up questions.

edit: one last thing, keep in mind that these series are several years old. it's possible that correct strategy now has changed from then. I expect the vast majority of the stuff I've talked about in these videos to still be very applicable and worthwhile, but every now and then someone will ask me a question where the game dynamics have changed since 2008 and the correct answer now is different... so be sure to check the threads where I've responded to people or post/PM me with questions.

Nice! Thanks a lot, WiltOnTilt. I will definitely check out the threads. I know it might not be correct strategy now since the game has evolved since you created this series a few years ago but I needed to start somewhere to set some type of foundation. I'm passionate about the game and yours series really caught my attention. Once again, thanks.