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Yin and Yang: Episode Seven

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Yin and Yang: Episode Seven by inavacuum

Inavacuum sits down with his student to discuss hands of the small-stakes variety.

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Yin meets yang at microstakes NL. The majority of pros view micro play as extremely standard with no room for creativity. While true for the most part, not embracing nonstandard lines will leave profit on the table.

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  • 57 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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Steppin Razor

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Time Link to 00:29:41

Good episode.


Comment on this one, and I don't think it drastically changes anything, but I don't think he would ever half pot the river for value. Say he had AQ. You've called prf, called flop, called turn. With only a pot left, he's going to go for the double up IMO every time he has AQ or QTs, and probably QJ as well. Why short stack and not make a pot sized shove with TP or better?

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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Good episode.


Comment on this one, and I don't think it drastically changes anything, but I don't think he would ever half pot the river for value. Say he had AQ. You've called prf, called flop, called turn. With only a pot left, he's going to go for the double up IMO every time he has AQ or QTs, and probably QJ as well. Why short stack and not make a pot sized shove with TP or better?



Certainly I wouldn't be surprised if he did value bet the river by shoving. Perhaps a better wording from me would be, he has many bluffs in his range when he shoves. Easily enough for us to call. When he doesn't shove, his range of bluffs becomes less wide.

Posted over 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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Time Link to 00:47:21

Got it.







Re: this hand, turning the Ace. What if the villain were changed to a tag? It's a bet then, right? Because checking the ultimate barrel card wouldn't fool him?

Posted over 1 year ago

BoterSmoter

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Time Link to 00:26:38

First of all, I really like your series, keep it up!

I have been really thinking about this hand. But I really disagree with your turn call here. The read: a unknown, probably a fish given the stack sizes.

Pre: fine.
flop: fine.
turn: I cringed. I think it's results oriented. I put his value range in pokerstove:

Board: Td 3s 2c Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 94.912% 94.91% 00.00% 2798 0.00 { QQ+, 33-22, AQs, KQs,

I added KsJs in his double "barrelvaluerange", don't know if this is right.

He needs a whole lot of nothing to bet here to make this call +EV I think, but do fish (like we stated before, fish/unknowns) really think "oh this is a good double barrel bluff card, let's bet again as a bluff"?

I think the turn is a clear fold. Given the reads unknown/fish this is a fold, given we are OOP. The river puts us in very awkward positions if he bets 3/4 pot (on a blanc or an A).


Point of my post: I think you really need some better reads than: "he's an unknown or a fish" to make this call out of position on the turn.

Posted over 1 year ago

BoterSmoter

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Sorry, I did mess up the pokerstove range and am unable to edit.

If I not made it clear with the pokerstove range, I put villain value range on the turn on this:


Board: Td 3s 2c Qs

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 95.082% 95.08% 00.00% 2552 0.00 { QQ+, TT, 33-22, AQs, KQs, KsJs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }

Hand 1: 04.918% 04.92% 00.00% 132 0.00 { 7h7s }

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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I have been really thinking about this hand. But I really disagree with your turn call here..



I think his range is much wider than you think it is. If you disagree, there's not much I can do to prove either one of us is correct. I would always take the line I took. If you would always fold the turn, then ok. I am never results oritened. If I had a hand where I took this line and it failed, I would show it.

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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Re: this hand, turning the Ace. What if the villain were changed to a tag? It's a bet then, right? Because checking the ultimate barrel card wouldn't fool him?



Depends how bad he is. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because someone is a TAG that they can't make big mistakes. In general however I think your run-of-the-mill TAG is a little less likely to bet the turn.

Posted over 1 year ago

ifloppedquadsagain

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Time Link to 00:20:54

This might be a silly question, and one to which I probably know the answer - but we're never folding the here if villain comes over the top, right? If I worked it out right, we have the 7th nuts here, but in this particular spot that's relatively much stronger than having 7th nuts on something like AJT53 2-tone.

The thing that got me thinking about it was villains low flop c-bet% and wondered whether or not they would do something like this with KK. I've seen this at NL25 (my stakes) a number of times, but I'm assuming that there would have to be a fair amount of history between players to see something like this at NL100? When watching it, I tried to imagine what I would to do a shove on the river (thinking through all possible scenarios etc.) and I don't think I could ever find a fold without a ton of history and reads - does that make me a bad person?


Really enjoying this series - and yes, dry paired boards are definitely a running theme (!)

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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We're never folding. I think KK is one of the hands he would actually bet - I don't think he's very aware of his own image.

Posted over 1 year ago

Bumbauttaja

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I really enjoy your series! It has motivated me to think, which I'm way too often too tired to do and go to autopilot, which obviously leads to worse results (but still +EV to play since I play NL25 which is quite fishy).

I would like to know how much of your hands are from Boss. I didn't think you were playing on Boss since the tables at Boss are mainly 5max and I obviously cant see the software from the video. Also most coaching videos are from Stars/FTP. I'm playing on Boss too (which you probably guessed since I wouldn't really be asking Boss-related questions if I didn't play there) so it would help me handle the information ect if I knew the site you are playing at since the games and the players at Boss are very different from for example Stars.

I also have a question about the last hand in this video. Did you concider betting the river? Since he wouldn't raise any 1 pair hand (except maybe KQ?) on the flop and you think he checks the turn back with air, you can come to the conclusion he has air. If he has air then he will always fold to a bet, wouldn't he? He might check back with Ax hands. Though he probably would have 3bet AK and AQ preflop and wouldn't raise the flop with A7 or A9. This leaves us A2-A6, A8, AT, AJ which checks back and beats us. Do you think he would check back KQ on the turn, should he have it? Or are you checking the river to induce him to bluff with his non-Ax air (and probably Ax air too, which is a small part of his bluff range)?

Thanks again for great videos! Keep 'em coming!

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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He would not check back the turn with KQ. He would have bet the turn with Ax air. This is a read specific to that villain.

I play on Boss quite a bit, though not often below 2/4. Some of my students play on Boss at the same and lower stakes. Quite a few of the early episodes of this series featured hands from FT and Stars, but mostly the hands are from Euro sites.

Posted over 1 year ago

DrunkTourist

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Time Link to 00:30:38

I think I would bet a ten here on the turn, hoping to get called by a worse ten, straight draws, and smaller pockets...

Posted over 1 year ago

mrcleanhands

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@10:15 with the A6 suited hand you 3-bet the flop.
I think I saw you call a min-raise in a similar situation vs a fish in another episode.

When do you decide to 3B and when is it better to just call with something like A high? or even float with air and take it away on the turn...

vs a crazy fish who is likely to re-rebluff it becomes a call? and vs an unknown fish a flop 3bet?

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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There are many different factors. Just because villain is a fish is not a reason to fold or float, because they will be very unused to being reraised on the flop when they do their "as standard" min raise and will usually have air they are pitching. This goes for bad regs also. If we know villain is a crazy ass mofo, we obviously don't do it. Regardless of villain I'd also be more likely to float the better my Ax is and even more likely to raise if I have worse than Ax. We also need to consider that a reg is likely to take this line with a truly polarised range, but a fish doesn't have to. For example on the board in question it is very unlikely that a reg would raise a made hand worse than 3x (and even then, why would he raise? etc etc logic circle) where as a fish could quite easily raise JT without being too sure as to why they are doing it. You can then also get into a levelling war with a better reg who might raise something like AT precisely because he knows he's not repping anything, but this obviously happens less the lower you play.

Posted over 1 year ago

mrcleanhands

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ok, cool.
I've been in similar situations with fish who seem to check min-raise a lot of flops and a few times when I've 3B they immediately min clicked it back.

Vs someone crazy enough to do it with air, would you fold here and look for better spots or plan on floating with your A high?


By default vs an unknown fish min check raise on something like 377 are you floating with your A3-A8 or raising? What about stronger A's?
Do you prefer folding the first time until you get a better idea of his min check raise range?

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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Why would I want to fold vs someone who is doing it with air? I'd be most likely to reraise them unless I thought there was a strong possibility of them rebluffing me.

By default I would be re-raising. I prefer raising the first time.

Posted over 1 year ago

gate79

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Time Link to 00:06:30

In this first hand it appears the critical piece of information is that he bets pot on the river...where without any real history or reads, we would assume he would be 1/2 to 2/3 pot most likely to try and get some value out of it. His line, donk lead, check, donk bet river, doesn't really make a ton of sense on this dry a board but (correct me if I'm wrong) is a fairly common line at microstakes right (the bet, check, bet line) when you don't think you can get 3 streets of value from your opponent. So my question then becomes, what if the villian does lead the river for 2/3 pot? 1/2 pot? 3/4 pot? How does this affect what we do? I imagine if it's half pot in a pot this size that we make a crying call based on our analysis on the flop, is that correct? Thanks for your time and feedback.

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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In this first hand it appears the critical piece of information is that he bets pot on the river...where without any real history or reads, we would assume he would be 1/2 to 2/3 pot most likely to try and get some value out of it. His line, donk lead, check, donk bet river, doesn't really make a ton of sense on this dry a board but (correct me if I'm wrong) is a fairly common line at microstakes right (the bet, check, bet line) when you don't think you can get 3 streets of value from your opponent. So my question then becomes, what if the villian does lead the river for 2/3 pot? 1/2 pot? 3/4 pot? How does this affect what we do? I imagine if it's half pot in a pot this size that we make a crying call based on our analysis on the flop, is that correct? Thanks for your time and feedback.



The good thing about this type of player is that he will rarely consider making a smaller bet size on the river. That's why we can be so confident in our river call. If he bets 2/3 or 1/2 we have a much tougher decision and I wouldn't fault a fold.

Posted over 1 year ago

ihavefavor

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Time Link to 00:13:50

if you did decide to 3bet the 2s here,what is your plan and what ranges are you putting villian on if he calls?lets say board come 8 high you bet and he calls, are you shutting down now?

Posted 8 months ago

inavacuum

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I don't remember if there's any specific reads on this villain, so I'm going to assume he was a TAG. We can have certain hands we know will be in his range (high broadways, all suited broadways, good suited connectors, some mid pairs) but how far beyond this depends on how often he calls 3bets. If he's the type to often fold to 3bets (let say he folds 75% of the time) we should proceed with caution postflop as his range is going to be top-heavy. If villain folds less often we want the board to fill up with cards that hit our perceived 3betting range. If we have to bluff and could pick any board to fire 3 streets on, it would probably look something like Kd 7s 3h Qc 3d. If villain goes to showdown constantly or is just stationy postflop/in 3bet pots, we would want to 3bet with a different hand to 22. We also want to factor in if there is any image/meta in play that would move us away from our standard line.

Posted 8 months ago

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