I wanted to clarify that these hands are for micro players despite some of the stakes being significantly higher. If I've used a higher stake hand, it's just to illustrate a point that a micro player can make use of.
Inavacuum welcomes back his guest from episode one and they review some select hands in THC.com.
Yin meets yang at microstakes NL. The majority of pros view micro play as extremely standard with no room for creativity. While true for the most part, not embracing nonstandard lines will leave profit on the table.
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I wanted to clarify that these hands are for micro players despite some of the stakes being significantly higher. If I've used a higher stake hand, it's just to illustrate a point that a micro player can make use of.
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How would you play this hand if you had a set of 88's and played it like this till river, would you b/f?
Also, how would you play them from beginning, what would you do OTF?
How would you play this hand if you had a set of 88's and played it like this till river, would you b/f?
Also, how would you play them from beginning, what would you do OTF?
I think if I had 88 I would just reraise the turn - I don't think that villain is ever raise/folding that big. Or do you mean if we were in villain's position?
if we where in villains position
It's important to understand that BB is going to put a lot of money into this river even when he has vastly worse combos than 88. As it ran out, if we are BB I'm certainly not folding that river, but depending on who was in MP I might do a few things differently. If it's some kind of reg I prefer a smaller bet on the river as it's just so hard for him to call with a lot of his range and people like the perception of good pot odds. I don't like check/raising unless we know that villain is not only going to bluff tons but also value bet very thinly. It's definitely a river bet, with the unlikely T9 combo really the only thing beating 88 apart from the small number of times KK is played that way. There are plenty of combos that MP can consider making a good or bad call with: AA, AK, KdJd, 33, 77. I don't think JJ gets to the river. Vs a raise it does then become gross and then it just depends on what you think about the person in that spot. There are plenty of weaker players who would just shove KJ/33 there without thinking. I think most people would shove 77. There are some people who would sometimes shove 77 and never anything worse. It becomes a bit harder if river is a diamond, in which case I do start to lean toward bet/folding. I could be convinced that MP could shove a diamond river as a bluff and that would be awesome, but I don't think that happens unless BB is a good reg and MP is expert.
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If the river is a total blank and villan checks do you bet for thin value? (I would)
Possibly vs some people. Probably not vs that guy as he's just the type to play almost all his Ax that way and is very likely to fold anything worse than Ax. That's a read specific to him. If villain were a more generic loose/passive, I think you could bet some rivers.
Possibly vs some people. Probably not vs that guy as he's just the type to play almost all his Ax that way and is very likely to fold anything worse than Ax. That's a read specific to him. If villain were a more generic loose/passive, I think you could bet some rivers.
If you ever had 89(s) in your range, which I'm not sure how likely that is. When do you think we have most FE? OTT or OTR. From your analysis I assume the opposite applies? If we were trying to fold out the weaker part of the villains range, would you attempt a bluff. I assume that because we did not v-bet this river (that is because we expect villain to fold out every worse hand and only call with better), that it means it's not a bad spot to bluff? I know specifically in this scenario we might not ever have bluffs, but I think it can translate to other scenarios but please tell me if this is not the case.
Thanks,
I would bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river with 98. I do expect that villain to fold everything except Ax often enough. If he gets past the turn he only ever has Ax or a hand that's always folding (and he can have plenty of these, I won't list them all unless you'd like me to because it's tons of combos), any kind of nuts and he's check/min-raising the turn with the exception of JJ, obviously. You could say why not turn the 88 into a bluff and make him also fold 99 and TT, but I don't really think it's necessary unless we could also sometimes get value, which I do not think is the case. If we could, bluffing with 98 would be a bit worse.
I would bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river with 98. I do expect that villain to fold everything except Ax often enough. If he gets past the turn he only ever has Ax or a hand that's always folding (and he can have plenty of these, I won't list them all unless you'd like me to because it's tons of combos), any kind of nuts and he's check/min-raising the turn with the exception of JJ, obviously. You could say why not turn the 88 into a bluff and make him also fold 99 and TT, but I don't really think it's necessary unless we could also sometimes get value, which I do not think is the case. If we could, bluffing with 98 would be a bit worse.
I agree that betting 88 might be a bit thin. I just think this is a very good spot to donk and barrel off since we think it's likely the BTN will fold, and the SB will come along with a wide range.
I'm just trying to think if we have AQ or something like that in this spot, it sucks to fold, but it also sucks to c/c, so I think leading this flop might be a good play since we have outs and can barrel certain runouts vs the SB?
Leading with all air combos in that spot is probably going to be profitable.
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What other hands would you be flatting here vs. his 4bet? Also what do you think about his 4bet size with his hand and what adjustments should he be making vs. you in this spot, given that you like to flat 4bets?
Suited connectors/broadways, the better half of the offsuit broadways. Not 100%, but they are in the range. I think his 4bet size is too small, but that's what he always makes it IP or OOP. He's actually one of the most robotic regs I've encountered. If I am flatting a lot and he's OOP making his 4bet slightly bigger is going to be problematic for me. He should also weight himself towards 4betting a wider range of stronger hands for value and bluffing less often.
In the last hand, can you really discount QQ/JJ. With 2 agreesive regs left to act, he could be hoping they bet, the fish calls or whatever then he can c/r. It might be goofy, but is this ever likely?
Either way great fold.
Listening to how aware of table dynamics you are, is very enlightening. How many tables do you usually play?
On a side note, if you use a hand replayer, I think you can hide screen names? Might be easier thats all.
Thanks
Sam
Yeah I will look into some web-based replayers. The universal replayer was great but it just doesn't work for me anymore.
He never checks QQ/JJ on that flop. The regs in position aren't going to bet unless they are strong when there's a loose station waiting to call off half of his range in the SB, or do something goofy like check min-raise. And if they are indeed strong then they aren't folding to the PFR's cbet anyway. It would just be unbelievably bad to check any set there unless he has some kind of unique cast iron read on one of the regs betting frequencies in that situation which is just too unlikely to even consider. The reg would have to have a major, major leak for it to be worth risking the check round with the juicy SB waiting to put money in the pot.
I play 1-6 tables.
I have seen the last hand in one of your coaching session that hands exist, lol. Great vid Tim as always
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