Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by inavacuum (Micro/Small Stakes)

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Time Link to 00:19:26

How much we are betting this river if we would check?

How much we are betting this river if we would check?

It becomes pretty unlikely he has a flush if he checks the river after the way he played the rest of the hand, so whatever you think Ax will call. I prefer to go quite small, maybe 12.5~, from my experience I don't really buy that Ax calls a jam often enough vs a smaller bet.

Time Link to 00:04:00

Great Series .. great video i would like to thank you guys first

.. I dont quite understand this hand...

First of all, why not check back the turn ? What are we getting value from? I doubt that he will call with 99- again. The only thing that i can think of is a floated Jx.

What if we check back the turn. He will bluff if he was floating, he might even turn a hand into bluff... he plays 23 17, which means he has to make some post flop moves to make his preflop range profitble.

I think check back the turn has more value than betting.....

When we betting this turn, our range looks polorized, if he has the A of diamond in his hand, he is probally more likely to bluff this....

Would he shove a full house on the turn like this... I think probally not... why not let us bet one more street then shove the river?

would he shove a flush like this on the turn?I think probally not ... we might even have a full house.....
why shove flush like this.....

what is he really reping???

Hi MaoMao,

We can't check back OOP, but I think you just meant check in general. You are correct, he might bluff his floats. He might also bluff his floats on the river, and we're not calling unimproved. I think he would be a lot more likely to call with Ad than to turn it into a bluff on the turn. When people reach that spot with Ad they really hate having to fold it/get it in bad. Without getting into the merits of whether the Ad should be a call or a raise, I think the vast majority just call. Especially the most likely Ad he has, which is AdJx and clearly should not raise.

As for what he's repping when he shoves, you are right when you say he's not repping much. That's a pretty good reason to shove with a great hand, isn't it? Especially when our range looks to be pretty strong. A better question to ask I think would be, does he have a worse hand 40% of the time? I can't make it work with the information at hand.

Time Link to 00:28:10

Can we do some math in this spot...

what is Sustik1's betting range on the turn?
stuff that beats us
JJ 3 combos
KK QQ 2 combos
A10 16 combos
89 6 combos (heavily discount that he might not rise some of the unsuited)

Stuff that we beat
JQ 6 combos
KJ 6 combos
Ak 4 combos (discount cuz he might not bet agian with Ak some of the time)
big draw Q10 suited AQ suited combos

and kq that we chop

run it up in Poker stove we get.... 49% equity...

correct me if im wrong, im not that good with poker stove or combo assignment.

Thank you guys

I am advocating not folding the turn - your stoving supports that, I've not done any myself but would be happy to. What's the actual question? Or do you want me to come up with a comparative stove?

I am advocating not folding the turn - your stoving supports that, I've not done any myself but would be happy to. What's the actual question? Or do you want me to come up with a comparative stove?

First of all, Thank you for reply me in a timely maner. Im glad that you are on the forum

Im just aking if my hand range assignment and stoving was correct.

Would you do a comparative stoving please..

Thank you very much again

Time Link to 00:34:10

I also think that if we check back this flop our hand basicly looks like Ks nd Qs...

If against a agressive player, they will bet the turn and the river to bluff you out.
so betting on this flop with Ks or Qs is almost like protection.. sounds weired right?

Also i think its good check back an A on the flop agianst decent agressive hand readers, cuz they will read you as Ks and Qs and bet the turn and river accordingly.

against a more straightforward player, i think we could check it back Ks and get value from later streets.

98 would not be a straight, T9 would be (and it's more likely he has T9 than 98).

Board: Ks Js Qd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.889% 44.32% 03.57% 25030924 2016996.00 { KhQh }
Hand 1: 52.111% 48.54% 03.57% 27415682 2017009.50 { AA, KcKd, QcQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, AsQs, ATs, As9s, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, QsTs, T9s, 9s8s, AcKd, AdKc, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, ATo, KcQs, KdQc, KdQs, KcJd, KcJh, KdJc, KdJh, QcJd, QcJh, QdJh, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh }

That's if you want to include the most likely AK combos. I think it's pretty unlikely he plays AK this way and think the following is more accurate:

Board: Ks Js Qd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.747% 41.00% 03.84% 831900 77823.50 { KhQh }
Hand 1: 55.253% 51.54% 03.84% 1045748 77841.00 { AA, KcKd, QcQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, AsQs, ATs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, QsTs, T9s, 9s8s, ATo, KcQs, KdQc, KdQs, KcJd, KcJh, KdJc, KdJh, QcJd, QcJh, QdJh, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh }

Not a fold either way.

Time Link to 00:39:53

I actually like villains c/r here. If he thinks that you are going for thin value with AJ QJ JT its a good c/r with a K on the river. Against a reg who I see likes to pot control the K is gin for me.

Time Link to 00:23:50

Doesn't the shove there appear more than anything to be a bluff instead of for value? Would villain have been more likely to fold to a $15-18 bet instead??

Doesn't the shove there appear more than anything to be a bluff instead of for value? Would villain have been more likely to fold to a $15-18 bet instead??

Hopefully I mentioned something along those lines. If villain is folding to a shove, he's probably folding to a smaller bet also in this spot.

Time Link to 00:16:30

if he is checking back the river its a easy shove i suppose?

I am asking this, because in the last three session I played the fish checkback the flush and I shove with toptwo or set.

if he is checking back the river its a easy shove i suppose?

I am asking this, because in the last three session I played the fish checkback the flush and I shove with toptwo or set.

It could be a shove, whatever amount you think the weaker parts of his range will call most often, obviously taking into account he can call bigger bets less often and this can still be the most profitable line as long as not always folding.

Time Link to 00:24:32

I like this play for the reasons stated, and agree with Inavacuum's reasoning for not shoving, however I think one point about the river was ignored.

We thought that his turn bet was either the nuts or pot control. Because we have the Ah, the "nuts" (or close to it) is K high, maybe Q high flushes, making pot control hands a fairly large amount of his range. (I also thing we often see a larger bet from his nutted hands, but that is another discussion). His pot control bets could often be attempts at cheap draws, but again we have Ah, diminishing hands that he really wants to draw to.

We now start getting close to a large part of his range being pot control hands that often want to get to showdown. By nature, if he is pot controlling these hands, his plan will often be to c/c river. Now, an argument can be made that he might call our 2/3-3/4 sized pot bets and we possibly shouldn't bet at all, or if we do bet it has to be a shove.

Time Link to 00:39:31

Is our river bet too large for hands that we are targeting calls from on the river?

I don't think so, he should call with Jx either way and fold worse, if we think he's going be calling with worse you could size it down slightly. Once hero takes the line of bet/x/bet then any pair worse than JT is more or less the same thing.

I don't think so, he should call with Jx either way and fold worse, if we think he's going be calling with worse you could size it down slightly. Once hero takes the line of bet/x/bet then any pair worse than JT is more or less the same thing.

makes sense

Time Link to 00:11:50

I don't think we should fold on the turn, because villain's value range of better hands is pretty narrow, if he is raising about 12% UTG(he might be adjusting because of the fish, though) pretty much the only Tx hand that villain could have is ATs and there are only 1 combo of it, TT is 1 combo as well and JJ,55 makes 6 combos. Since we don't have any read on his flop betsizing(like you said it just could be that he isn't good enough to realize that our calling range is quite inelastic), he could still have hands like AdKd, KdQd, AdQd and worse value combos KK,QQ.

Time Link to 00:21:20

Do you hate just folding this flop blind vs blind with the Ah?

Time Link to 00:25:58

Say you flat preflop CO vs BTN against the reg, would you be raise/getting it in on this flop?

Time Link to 00:34:39

Isn't our cbet sizing a bit too big? I think I'd make it like 4$

Do you hate just folding this flop blind vs blind with the Ah?

I think having Ah makes virtually no difference vs this type of player. If anything, it may even improve our implied odds.

Say you flat preflop CO vs BTN against the reg, would you be raise/getting it in on this flop?

I don't really see the point of doing so in position. Villain would have to be stacking off extremely light extremely often.

Isn't our cbet sizing a bit too big? I think I'd make it like 4$

Why? Sizing is totally fine/standard. I don't think betting smaller is going to induce anything here.

Why? Sizing is totally fine/standard. I don't think betting smaller is going to induce anything here.

True, I totally brainfarted and thought it was a 4-bet pot.

I think having Ah makes virtually no difference vs this type of player. If anything, it may even improve our implied odds.

Sorry I didn't really formulate my question clearly. What I was trying to ask that when we have the Ah in our hand folding this flop is out of question, right? And if you float what would your plan be in some draw completing turns (heart, queen)?

Sorry I didn't really formulate my question clearly. What I was trying to ask that when we have the Ah in our hand folding this flop is out of question, right? And if you float what would your plan be in some draw completing turns (heart, queen)?

Call or check back, depending on the card. If he's betting we're probably going to have fold on a non-heart Q for example. Going to assume I have no FE vs this type of player unless I know differently.

Dumb question, but why doesn't this have a "previous" link to episode 13? (Episode 13 doesn't link forward to 14 either.)

You'd need to contact Rusty (TazUltimate) about that. Try sending him a PM.

I don't think we should fold on the turn, because villain's value range of better hands is pretty narrow, if he is raising about 12% UTG(he might be adjusting because of the fish, though) pretty much the only Tx hand that villain could have is ATs and there are only 1 combo of it, TT is 1 combo as well and JJ,55 makes 6 combos. Since we don't have any read on his flop betsizing(like you said it just could be that he isn't good enough to realize that our calling range is quite inelastic), he could still have hands like AdKd, KdQd, AdQd and worse value combos KK,QQ.

If have no betsizing read an If Villans brokerange is looking like this one I agree with Branch10.

Board: TdTh5sJd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 43.39% 41.12% 2.27% { KK-QQ, AdAs, JhJs, JhJc, JsJc, TsTc, 5d5h, 5d5c, 5h5c, Ts9s, Tc9c }
MP3 56.61% 54.34% 2.27% { AhAc }

Tim do u think he would bet any hand we have beat different to justify a fold?

Edit: sry 4 throwing a pokerstove chart on u

Time Link to 00:29:56

Could you please explain a little bit deeper why calling FD+pair on the turn is better than betting (scaring villans weak hands away and narrowing his range to very strong hands?).
Ty for helping!

If have no betsizing read an If Villans brokerange is looking like this one I agree with Branch10.

Board: TdTh5sJd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 43.39% 41.12% 2.27% { KK-QQ, AdAs, JhJs, JhJc, JsJc, TsTc, 5d5h, 5d5c, 5h5c, Ts9s, Tc9c }
MP3 56.61% 54.34% 2.27% { AhAc }

Tim do u think he would bet any hand we have beat different to justify a fold?

Edit: sry 4 throwing a pokerstove chart on u

In retrospect I don't think a call on the turn can be bad outside of an exceptional circumstance, or rather a call on the turn could be mandatory. If we could credibly read more into his sizing we could think about not continuing but speculation probably isn't enough as some people do just bet that size on the flop as standard. It's important to also consider that villain's range can't just be broken down into his PFR %+his cbet %s. His range will change based on the table, his position (both starting an relative to villain(s)) and how he perceives villain(s). This is a general point and not specific to this hand. You should always add in to your consideration not just the numbers but how you think villain will act vs you specifically.

Could you please explain a little bit deeper why calling FD+pair on the turn is better than betting (scaring villans weak hands away and narrowing his range to very strong hands?).
Ty for helping!

It won't be the best line 100% of the time but in general the problem with betting is that we're typically in a spot where we have showdown value+equity but not enough to continue vs a raise, which can often leads us to folding the best hand/wasting our equity. We're also going to be check/giving up in this spot a lot, this gives us a chance to balance our checking range and allows villain to bet his floats/start bluffing.

Lets look at some hypothetical examples of when this might be a good or bad line:

Villain is a TAG, we have AK and raise the CO, villain calls the BTN, blinds fold. Flop is A59, we bet and villain calls, turn is T - villain isn't going to double float us here very often at all, is going to fold plenty of worse made hands and should have plenty of bluffs and if villain takes his option to check back we're not risking a worrisome freeroll.

Villain is a passive fish, we have AK and raise the CO, villain calls the BTN, blinds fold. Flop is A59, we bet and villain calls, turn is T - we need to continue betting here, villain is passive and isn't going to start bluffing a wide range, he probably isn't even going to semi-bluff his draws, of which has plenty and will just call again with all of them. Checking a non-diamond river would, however, be a pretty good idea.

Thank you for breaking it down!!!!!!!!