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Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

What do you guys think about Omaha8 6-max vs. full ring?

I think full ring is much easier because starting hands are so important in this game, and it's difficult to play 6-max when you're waiting for those good starting hands. If you look at Pstars table stats, a lot of those 6-max Omaha8 games have an avg VPIP of like 65-80% at 2/4 and 3/6. At games like that, would you consider playing hands like KKJT or QJT9?

Maybe you guys talk about this in the video..I still have to watch the rest of it - but how would you compare this to last weeks 6-max game regarding starting hands and other things? Thanks.

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Lollllll I was excited ship shippp

bout halfway through. i really liked our play in the KK5cc hand, but would we keep firing on most turns or just the nasty ones like that Qc?

"yeah its thin but im the champion!"

i love it

Love the remark about pokerstars' sound, i even went into the trouble of replacing all stars sounds with ftp sounds
One question about the second hand (A23Q): Why don't you bet the turn with two pair and a good flush draw? There's no low out yet and i think we should have him pay to draw to one.

what your secret mexican place in vegas joe?

i love reading the comments as it downloads. i might have to postpone going to bed to watch at least part of this.

Love the remark about pokerstars' sound, i even went into the trouble of replacing all stars sounds with ftp sounds
One question about the second hand (A23Q): Why don't you bet the turn with two pair and a good flush draw? There's no low out yet and i think we should have him pay to draw to one.

The problem is there as no low on the flop, therefore, our opponent likely called the flop w/a high hand, there are too many combos of better high highs, and we have to see the river. If he has a flush draw, he may bluff bet at it and we get the money there.

what your secret mexican place in vegas joe?

It's off of Trop, just short of the Orleans, near a 24h McDs. It's a fast-foody-ish place but at 330AM, after grinding 10hours in the 50k HORSE, I was very happy to have some decent quality Mex as I was starving.

I just moved from CR and this is the first video ive seen, and i love it. now all i can think about is the 100 sign up fee that could of been in my bank roll. i really like how there are two players commentating on the play. and there not so serious.

I just moved from CR and this is the first video ive seen, and i love it. now all i can think about is the 100 sign up fee that could of been in my bank roll. i really like how there are two players commentating on the play. and there not so serious.

Welcome! If you like this, you will really love DC. Hope you stay a while but dont stay ANGRY, however, seems like this place is better for you already!

I have to say I don't like this series at all so far (so far means I've only watched the first two episodes and am unsure if I will watch another one). I think the fact that so many comments on the video are NOT about strategy sums up my problems with it. I feel it's a huge waste of time to watch two guys play one table of full ring o8 for about an hour who do their best not to get into any in-depth discussion of poker strategy and instead spend their time rooting for an ace to hit, playing trash hands utg trying to hit a straight flush or exchanging memories of big tourney hands.

Fwiw I thought there were some interesting hands but I think you were really unfocused throughout the video, and I have no idea if there's any kind of concept to this series (other than "watch us play and see how great we are"). I feel there is quite a bit of a difference between the amount of thought and effort that was put into a series like Ms. PLO, King of the Day or Dear Foxwoods Fiend and this one. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is simply over my head, and everyone else seems to like it anyhow, but I still wanted to give you some feedback, as I had really been looking forward to more content on games other than hold'em and PLO.

I think you should really think about why you want to do double commentary on a video before you make it - being able to crack more jokes is not a valid reason (or maybe I'm just too old for that), while sweating/coaching someone like Vanessa/Whitelime did a few months ago is.

Also I hope you don't take this personally, it isn't meant that way and I have liked a lot of your earlier videos.

Also I hope you don't take this personally, it isn't meant that way and I have liked a lot of your earlier videos.

No offense taken, we choose this style to add some flavor to the series, it may not be for you. It's a live play series, and comparing it to non-live play series is really tough. We have picked up the slack with the Stud-Hi video, expect some good stuff to happening there.

Thank you for your feedback.

It's a live play series, and comparing it to non-live play series is really tough.

Right, sorry for that. It happened unintentionally (but it probably shows what's my general attitude towards learning). In general I think that a second instructor doesn't seem to add much value to a live play video, probably because none of the instructors gets enough time to elaborate. I don't know, and it's good that most people seem to like it.

And of course I will watch the rest of the series, too...

You guys bring a a tone of vast superiority to your video, which I'm all for, but you guys say some things strategy wise that are glaringly wrong. In the first hand w/ AT92 hand you guys suggest possibly folding the flop. That is not even close. You have 4 opponents and you will be often drawing as the only A2 and you have reasonable backdoor outs to scoop. That's is more than you could ever need - folding is not an option. Not bettting the turn in the A23Q doublesuited hand is awful, and someone mentions a "live deuce" which doesn't exist. And you aren't thinking about necessarily the right things in the AKK4 hand, c/r the flop in general is probably not right as your equity is so much greater on a blank turn (assuming you can get a c/r in some of the time - which i think u could). That idea doesn't get brought up.
And I would argue that a LAG style does exist (you said it didn't) in six max play. Proof can be seen in the at high limit six max games on FTP. Go watch Phil Ivey, Patrick, Gus, Abe Mosseri, play and you will see a different brand of omaha. I think they take it too far, but thats neither here nor there. A Lag style does exist under those parameters. I only watched 10 minutes - I'll watch more and add some more comments.

Try to leave the time-stamps when you are commenting on the video, it's much easier to discuss.

In the first hand w/ AT92 hand you guys suggest possibly folding the flop. That is not even close.

We did not fold. In fact Chuck says, "I am just going to call here" and I say, "yes" right away. I only brought it up to give the viewer a feel on how important scooping is in a Full Ring split pot game. I actually say, "you could consider folding the flop, which sounds insane" hoping to elude tot he fact on what it is important, scooping.

Not bettting the turn in the A23Q doublesuited hand is awful, and someone mentions a "live deuce" which doesn't exist.

I have to agree with you about the lack of a turn bet. But I say, "You have a live deuce. Do you? Oh no you dont."

And you aren't thinking about necessarily the right things in the AKK4 hand, c/r the flop in general is probably not right as your equity is so much greater on a blank turn (assuming you can get a c/r in some of the time - which i think u could). That idea doesn't get brought up.

This is Full Ring-nit-box-O8 and no player is betting his naked A2 HU on a brick turn when we peel that flop. Fast playing is fine.

And I would argue that a LAG style does exist (you said it didn't) in six max play. Proof can be seen in the at high limit six max games on FTP. Go watch Phil Ivey, Patrick, Gus, Abe Mosseri, play and you will see a different brand of omaha. I think they take it too far, but thats neither here nor there. A Lag style does exist under those parameters. I only watched 10 minutes - I'll watch more and add some more comments.

I listen to quite a bit and couldn't find this comment. But I'm sure something is out of context again as I've played with all those players mentioned and they are all LAGgy (btw, Gus is not a LAG, he is a maniac) and I would never say LAG style does not exist 6-handed.

The hand with the value bet with AQQ4, isn't that a standard value bet on the river? The high hand is most likely good given the action thus far unless he has 24 or 47, but you also have the 2nd nut low as backup for half the pot.

Also I don't know how you can confidently bet/fold to a raise either in case he has some funky high only hand or has 3/4s with A47x or something. Does he always have A2 with a better high when he raises the river?

QQA4 vbet was pretty sick.

The hand with the value bet with AQQ4, isn't that a standard value bet on the river? The high hand is most likely good given the action thus far unless he has 24 or 47, but you also have the 2nd nut low as backup for half the pot.

Also I don't know how you can confidently bet/fold to a raise either in case he has some funky high only hand or has 3/4s with A47x or something. Does he always have A2 with a better high when he raises the river?

This video is old. I usually say nothing to that effect but the names I see in the video I played with every day for a long period of time after making this video.

Lately, I've been playing much more O8 (much much more) and have not played any with any of these guys. The games were very different when this series came out.

In the games I play today, the AQQ4 is a snap bet/call. Back then (and I know it's only a year but wow looking @ this lineup it was a big year) it's honestly a lot closer, and that particular villain is not raising w/o a 2 way hand. I'd expect to see a straight when raise there, that being said because it could be 24 raising or A2 I think calling is still probably best. My enthusiasm was simply because I put the villain squarely on A4 or A5 and figured he would call A5 in an effort to beat out A2 (which you are put on about 99% of the time in O8 haha).

Wow and I've been typing up comments to mega old comments!

Jrixyzle, holla and welcome to DC!

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Why fold QQJ7 on the button? There are 2 people posting in the hand.