Hielko takes some micro-stakes platoon members and reviews their hands at 25NL.
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Nice vid, Hielko (et al). A lot of excellent analysis, although it was a little funny to see some of the hands 5nl villains turned up with -- the play there seems to border on random.
Regarding the KQ hand (in which we cbet on a monotone flop and are raised), are you electing to call and reevaluate turns when we have a heart in our hand? What if we have the same hand in position?
Also, I was going to comment on the QQ hand where we are shipped on 200+ bb deep, but rand the vid a bit and you caught it, sure enough. I'm just curious, though, what the hell could our opponent have had? It seems like AK exactly, and if we were in the 3bettor's position, perhaps we could have called. Perhaps, though, with the equity differences between mostly flipping with AK and being way behind AA and KK those times when I'm just being levelled, it's still just a fold.
Nice vid, Hielko (et al). A lot of excellent analysis, although it was a little funny to see some of the hands 5nl villains turned up with -- the play there seems to border on random.
Thanks, probably not a really reprensative sample; pretty sure some of these hands are suprising for 5NL too.
Regarding the KQ hand (in which we cbet on a monotone flop and are raised), are you electing to call and reevaluate turns when we have a heart in our hand? What if we have the same hand in position?
In position you can call a wider range, but I don't think it's close decision oop, and being ip does not change things enough. Would still fold. And I would def call KQ with a heart. That would have a huge impact on our equity when we are facing a low flush, some (combo) draws, set or two pair.
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Would anyone agree that many players who call UTG raise from BTN at these stakes are going to play Fit or Fold, which adds to the argument for a Cbet?
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Very good point in this hand about B/F the river King instead of C/C. Never thought of it as your losing the same amount either way but your getting value out of worse hands. You could also lose less if your bet size is smaller then what his river bet size would have been if you C/C.
Very good point in this hand about B/F the river King instead of C/C. Never thought of it as your losing the same amount either way but your getting value out of worse hands. You could also lose less if your bet size is smaller then what his river bet size would have been if you C/C.
What's more we can exclude strong hands like sets or two pair from his range, because they'll probably bet turn on this drawy board. So his range tends to be either a nuts like a straight (far diminished likelihood because of the lack of a bet), draw or a pair which has some showdown value.
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Anybody else 3betting this hand? I mean we have a blocker, and at this limit, it is easy to get called by worse(especially bvb). So I would look at it like a thin value 3bet.
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first hand KTs on KQ6JrQ 4way bet-check-c/c
I don't really hate the call on the river:
He has 9 combos of TJ (which he all calls pre if he is a bit loose)
Then I expect him to almost always peel the flop with AJ, so lets say 10 combos = 19 combos of Jx.
Since he should realize that we don't bluff the flop 4way he can easily put us on Kx, AA but not 2pair+ cause we had bet turn otherwise.
His Qx combos plus slowplayed AT maybe, are about 30.
Now we get 3:1, so we only have to be good 28 % or so. I think you can call this.
OTOH, would he ever bluff for just 1/2 pot which looks as if he wants a call form TP or AA?
But even if he bets pot then we get 2:1, which is 33 % or 30 vs 20 combos.
As for his bluff frequency I would guess 80 % for the laggy fish, so calling a potbet is a mistake but it is a lot closer than it seems imo.
I would appreciate some feedback so I can learn from possible mistakes.
I have a general question about bluff frequencies:
Lets say somebody has 30 combos value and 30 combos bluffs. Now his general bluff Frequency is only 25 % in this particular spot and he bets 1/3rd pot. With this betsize he would only bluff 10 % of the time.
30 combos /4 = 7.5, 10 % of this = 0.75 combos of bluffs.
Is this the way you do the math?
Anybody else 3betting this hand? I mean we have a blocker, and at this limit, it is easy to get called by worse(especially bvb). So I would look at it like a thin value 3bet.
It's not bad to 3bet this - depending on the villain - but calling it a (thin) value 3bet is very optimistic. A hand like A8o has a small hot and cold preflop equity edge at best.
I have a general question about bluff frequencies:
Lets say somebody has 30 combos value and 30 combos bluffs. Now his general bluff Frequency is only 25 % in this particular spot and he bets 1/3rd pot. With this betsize he would only bluff 10 % of the time.
30 combos /4 = 7.5, 10 % of this = 0.75 combos of bluffs.
Is this the way you do the math?
It depends a bit on what you are trying to say; but it looks alright. Don't forget that you also need to discount his value combo's if you introduce a specific betsize tell since he's presumably not valuebetting this size 100%.
wrt your other post; don't assume that people will bluff with a hand that looks like showdown value and at the same time villain should be very uncertain if he can get us to fold a hand like we have here since most players call (as you and hero in the vid demonstrate).
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