caderousse
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Wow, didn't really like this episode, sorry Steve. Way too much focus on preflop play (12 minutes to explain the A6s UTG hand, really?) and I think having this many people in a vid just makes it where you only get such a small amount of hands. A lot of it just feels like fluff.
Would much prefer either just you reviewing a session or you going over a session with the person who played it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by JK3A lol.
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tubasteve
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Wow, didn't really like this episode, sorry Steve. Way too much focus on preflop play (12 minutes to explain the A6s UTG hand, really?) and I think having this many people in a vid just makes it where you only get such a small amount of hands. A lot of it just feels like fluff.
Would much prefer either just you reviewing a session or you going over a session with the person who played it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by JK3A lol.
thanks for the input. sorry to disappoint!
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CF23
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Time Link to 00:03:41
hey thanks for your input
KTs: i generally open all SUITED broadways from MP onwards. if it was KTo i would not open this in MP.
if the table has really loose players behind me then i won't open it, likewise (as you guys pointed out) it's better not to if the players behind are 3bet/sqeeze happy
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CF23
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williecoyote
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the review on the preflop play is fine. sometimes we need it refresh us. however, i noticed you always have many people with you commentating. maybe one or two ppls okay. three is just too many. always enjoy your commentating though.
LOL. I like to shout out to my grandmother too. maybe she will catch this vid. JK.
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mkclerk
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Yeah I have to agree. There is just to many people in the video. I really like your videos Tuba but this is making each hand drag out to long and we only end up with seeing 7 or 8 hands. Would much rather just be you and the player who made the video.
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CF23
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Time Link to 00:24:26
re: donk bet raising
interesting that you would all raise his donk bet here.
i also raise donk bets all day, IF they are min-bets or significantly low percentage of the pot. villain here donks just under half pot... i usually think that he has something here and a raise is wasting money?!
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Bigvee
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tubasteve
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hey guys,
the point of these basecamp vids is to get as many members involved as possible as a reward for working hard on the mt. robusto project, which is why the last few vids have had a bunch of students. i definitely understand your concerns however, and will try to make vids with less people in the future.
thanks!
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zenben
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Time Link to 00:18:49
On the bottom right with the 2 regulars behind us (Bu and SB) I agree the A2s (or even A9s) are pretty clear folds, but what hands are you looking to open profitably here, and how do we decide?
My first inclination is we aren't opening A2s due to the threat of being 3bet (and having to fold), so perhaps we should stick to hands that do well in 3bet pots. However, being OOP with one of the regs and only 100BB deep or so, I can't imagine flat calling with pretty much anything vs a Button 3bet.
However, it can't be theoretically correct to only open hands we can 4bet with for value vs the button regular, correct? Hard to imagine not opening KQ or medium pocket pairs for instance...so there must be some point where we are willing to open with a hand that can't continue vs the button's 3bet range, but that can play profitably post flop if called. Given that the button is definitely 3betting buttons at least occasionally and the SB appears to be 3betting light, how do we go about constructing an EP/MP opening range on this table? Should we choose hands that can continue vs a 3bet profitably from the SB? Does that mean we need to fold a hand like 22-88 here?
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zenben
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Time Link to 00:38:37
re. the KJx with QJs. I def agree the best play is check-calling the flop or checking and betting the turn if checked behind.
One of the contributors (sry don't know which) mentions that if villain checks back here and then folds to a turn bet, we can make a reliable assumption that he doesn't stab with his air after a missed cbet (a potentially valuable read). However, isn't there a possibility (if not a likelihood) that villain is checking back the flop with a med pocket pair and folding to a turn bet, making this "read" incorrect?
I suppose it sometimes depends on the turn card, but do you expect most tight passive players at 25NL to "bluff catch" 1 street on this board regardless of which street we bet (flop cbet or turn "delayed" cbet) with a hand like 44-TT, or will they often check behind and ch/fold to the turn?
I would expect many will fold most turns without at least a J, and they are basically never bluff-catching if the turn gives them 4th pair (like 66 on a KJ2r T board). This is especially true if they can read hands at all, given that your hand is almost always better than their weak 1 pair hand since we bet this flop with all our air or weak SD value hands to collect dead money.
We're certainly not assuming this villain will bet a hand like 66 when we check to him on the flop, right?
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eddyedik
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I like it that there are so many students involved in this Vid. So you can hear different opinions. Even they are all your students, but they all have their point of view. But still this Video is not so good, to much preflop talking, and comming to the right point.
Hope next time, a bit better.

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1BYONE
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Great video and good job from my squad! The preflop discussion about hand ranges and adjustment is also interesting if you listen carefully about it. I dont mind focusing about a specific spot and thinking about all the possible options to play the hand. I think 3 people in a video is ok as long as everyone as the opportunity to participate 
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