Great analysis of some tricky spots that come up frequently.
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
WiltOnTilt sits down with oneilsurfer as they talk about 50NL Heads Up.
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Great analysis of some tricky spots that come up frequently.
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Some good interesting spots covered well, even as a 200-400nl reg i picked up and learnt some things from this video!
Thanks!
oneilsurfer brings up plenty of interesting spots and questions, and doesn't seem afraid to challenge Wilt's logic. Good video. Thanks guys.
Good vid guys. thanks
good episode. good spots.
no offense to oneilsurfer, but you constantly cut WoT off. it's not too horrible, but usually he's about to say something really interesting or relevant.
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You mention taking a b/f line and betting like $13 on this turn.
Can we get the same outcome and bet something less like $11? Or is that getting too small?
I assume (if $13 is your favorite bet size) that we are also betting the same w/ AQ+ right?
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10:20 into the video.
You mention taking a b/f line and betting like $13 on this turn.
Can we get the same outcome and bet something less like $11? Or is that getting too small?
I assume (if $13 is your favorite bet size) that we are also betting the same w/ AQ+ right?
I don't think there's a huge difference in terms of $13 vs 11, but i tend to like having a bigger river pot and smaller river stacks as part of my overall gameplan...but it's a minor thing. I wouldn't go any less than 11 though.
and yes, doing the same betsize with our value hands as our bluffs/semibluffs vs guys who are paying attention.
WoT
Some good interesting spots covered well, even as a 200-400nl reg i picked up and learnt some things from this video!
Thanks!
Glad you liked it. I just wanted to point out that you should be careful about only watching vids that are at your stakes. You'll find many of the same thought processes that help me beat 25/50nl coming into play at a .50/$1.00 video. I think it's best to watch videos by the video makers you like best, as opposed to filtering by stakes.
I'd like to think there's a lot of hidden msnl/hsnl gold in my micro nl grinder series that most mid/high players aren't bothering with since it's 25c/50c etc ![]()
Thanks for watching
WoT
, but i tend to like having a bigger river pot and smaller river stacks as part of my overall gameplan
Is this because in the micros you are typically going for value on the river so you want to give villain a better price to call the majority of the time?
I typically like to have a 2/3 pot to PSB left on the river and 100 bb deep betting $11 leaves you with a $28 bet into a $44 pot.
But then again I like to 2 barrel and occasionally 3 barrel a decent amount so Im getting better prices on my turn bluffs and a little more FE when the stars aline and I decide to fire the 3rd barrel in a 3b pot at 50nl.
Yes I do balance my good hands in there too and bet $11 with them.
Yes it will depend on your opponents and how they hand read but vs some you'd prefer to give yourself a better price on a river bluff (or them a better price to call if your range is weighted to value hands). This is one of those spots where when you have a good read you can play more exploitably based on either your range or our opponents range, and how you expect them to interpret different turn/river bet sizes.
Ultimately when you are dealing with a cpl bb difference in bet size it's not a huge deal but the deeper you get it can make a bigger difference. It also just helps to always analyze why you do what you do, down to the most minor detail.
Thanks guys great vid//Loking foward to the second part.
oneilsurfer def puts foward some very interesting spots and asks the right questions.
Just from the few hands shown , The villian here is very typical of 50nl regs I play all the time.
They bluff catch flop and turn with one pair weaker hands in 3bet pots , which they will almost always fold to a river shove.
The idea wilt has of making very -ev turn barrells to set up ++ev river shoves is an excellent strategy vrs these guys.
Also this villian will have a very expoitable post flop strategy where if you get c/r on a two toned flop in a 3bet flop its almost always gona be two pair + imo.(esp true if they have been c/r flops with a decent freq to the point where you might play back)
Some of them also have a slight tell with their bet sizing on this also where they will c/r much bigger to make it look like they have a flush draw.
I love this format in HU vids ,good job both of you, pls keep them coming Wilt.
good episode. good spots.
no offense to oneilsurfer, but you constantly cut WoT off. it's not too horrible, but usually he's about to say something really interesting or relevant.
Yeah, while it is good to be inquisitive, I thought the way the student in this case acted is bordering on rudeness, and is more keen on explaining defending his logic and play instead of what we are all here to do: to learn from a more successful player. Sure, explaining one's reasoning allows the coach to comment on it, but a lot of what is said is, imo, fluff and repetitive LDO points for the sole purpose of seeming humble or smart enough to realize a mistake.
It tilted me hardcore watching the video. If I were learning, I would shut up and listen, and only ask questions, as opposed to constantly tell everyone what my thinking is, as if a good player/coach wouldn't already know how mediocre regs think to begin with. Some of the logic is also frustrating...
I don't mean to attack pointlessly, but I was watching the video and it annoyed me a lot, and I saw it as obliviously insolent.
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Can we overbet and just ship this turn? We could bet more than half pot on the flop with the intention of overbetting the turn and then balance it by doing the same for value with our A-Q+/3pr/set.
I don't think I understand the benefits of overbetting in general, but it seems like it could make these awkward semi-bluff spots easier to play on the turn. ie. not having to b/f.
Thoughts?
Can we overbet and just ship this turn? We could bet more than half pot on the flop with the intention of overbetting the turn and then balance it by doing the same for value with our A-Q+/3pr/set.
I don't think I understand the benefits of overbetting in general, but it seems like it could make these awkward semi-bluff spots easier to play on the turn. ie. not having to b/f.
Thoughts?
Yea there are certainly merits to trying some overbetting in spots like this so stacks play a little better. the bad thing is, when you overbet the flop and get called, I'm not so sure you have much FE on the turn on an A high board texture. Of course the counter argument is, if you get him off everything but Ax by overbetting the flop, it could be +EV to overbet everything (obv depends on how light he's calling pre and how many Ax he's defending).
Maybe bet closer to pot on the flop and overbet the turn would be better, because then at least you keep all of the 7x, 4x, pocket pairs in that can more easily fold the turn, whereas you might lose all the hands that fold the turn with your flop overbet.
Either way, it's really hard to be very balanced in these spots because it seems like such a waste to take either the overbet flop or overbet turn line with a strong value hand without already having the dynamic in place... but you have to use some hands to set up the dynamic.
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