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Comments for Ringside: NLFool (#2) - Stealing it All at 100NL

kybert'76

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Its the all new FR Thursdays.

Lets GO!!!!

Posted about 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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NLFool

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I just wanted to mention next time I do a video like this where I'm stealing all the time I will have to cut it down to 4 tables. It seems I'm always involved in a hand in some form and some of the times I stole I don't even think it was noticed because I was talking about an intersting hand that was occuring at the same time.

Posted about 2 years ago

Onraad

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I like the concept, this way FR might actually be interesting Wink

Posted about 2 years ago

ren99

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I think it will be more interesting if you can post a video of where you get involved in more tough spots. You flopped the nuts in this video left and right. =)

Posted about 2 years ago

Curtlow

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I just wanted to ask you about your opening raise size. I fully agree that when your stealing 96%, then opening small from CO and BTN is the best option. But I was wondering why you opened 2.5x from every position? Your not opening that wide from every position so I think it just gives players a chance to call and see a flop IP against you. If I was playing where I stole that much I would make it like 3.5x from early and middle positions to discourage people from calling IP except CO and BTN where I would make it 2.5x since thats where my range would b the widest and the most likely of getting 3bet with the widest ranges. I also think you lose some value from hands where they call with hands like PP's trying to flop a set vs the top of your range but won't put in any more money if they miss. They would call a 4x raise so you win pretty much the minimum when they miss and lose the max when they hit. Just curious what your thoughts are on this?

Posted about 2 years ago

JohnTheBad

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Love the topic ! Can´t wait to see more videos from you.

But please do the same again @stars with a bunch of regs who start to play back. At least @NL50 many regulars started 3bet/shoving 88 or AJ with my steal% being like 60% over a large sample. I also have a hard time to find a good 4bet range against thoose light 3betters..

Posted about 2 years ago

DiscoBisco

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I think it will be more interesting if you can post a video of where you get involved in more tough spots. You flopped the nuts in this video left and right. =)



Fool, NL Fool.....license to steal....license to flop the nuts

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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I just wanted to ask you about your opening raise size. I fully agree that when your stealing 96%, then opening small from CO and BTN is the best option. But I was wondering why you opened 2.5x from every position? Your not opening that wide from every position so I think it just gives players a chance to call and see a flop IP against you. If I was playing where I stole that much I would make it like 3.5x from early and middle positions to discourage people from calling IP except CO and BTN where I would make it 2.5x since thats where my range would b the widest and the most likely of getting 3bet with the widest ranges. I also think you lose some value from hands where they call with hands like PP's trying to flop a set vs the top of your range but won't put in any more money if they miss. They would call a 4x raise so you win pretty much the minimum when they miss and lose the max when they hit. Just curious what your thoughts are on this?



A couple of my thoughts on this.

When facing a raise preflop,Most players look at their hand strength and decide if their hand is good enough to play or not. They don't look at their 78s or 44 and say to themselves "this was a 2.5x open so I'm going to play it but because it was a 3.5x open now I'm folding it" so opening to 3.5x vs 2.5x in early really doesn't discourage anything. IF you wanted to compare opening 2.5x to maybe 5x or 6x it would be a much different story.

I'm not overly concerned about being out of position vs. most players, I'm very comfortable playing out of position with or without initiative and I feel I have a very significant postflop edge against most of the players at these stakes, so if a player want to call with a weaker hand range in general because I'm opening to 2.5x instead of 4, I'm fine with this. If I feel there is a couple of good players at the table who can make postflop play difficult for me, I'm more likely to not play the hand then adjust my raise sizing.

The reason my raise sizing is consistant in all positions except for when I am opening from the SB is because if I have a postflop skill advantage vs. my opponents I can exploit that skill advantage by having a smaller pot in general.

At higher stakes(400-1k) where the skill level of the player pool is better in general and there is a lot more 3 betting going on in late position or blind wars I do min raise from the button and cutoff a lot.

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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I think it will be more interesting if you can post a video of where you get involved in more tough spots. You flopped the nuts in this video left and right. =)



Yea I did flop a lot of "nuts" in this video, and I never really got into any tough spots, however I still think there is a lot to be learned from those situations.



For example I feel I butchered the 88 hand on the flop and turn where I flopped a boat on the flop and I explained why in the video.

I also feel that the other 88 hand where I turned a boat on the turn the bet sizing on the river and why I bet so large is worth noting.

Even when I flopped "the nuts" I feel there is still a lot of interesting postflop lines that i took in this video.

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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Love the topic ! Can´t wait to see more videos from you.

But please do the same again @stars with a bunch of regs who start to play back. At least @NL50 many regulars started 3bet/shoving 88 or AJ with my steal% being like 60% over a large sample. I also have a hard time to find a good 4bet range against thoose light 3betters..



I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how litle I was getting played back at when I stole in this video. I either stole and they folded or I stole and then they check folded to a flop cbet.

It just goes to show how profitable opening up your game and stealing can be.

Posted about 2 years ago

Gandalf the White

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Very nice video! Do you have screenshots of your HUD color coding?

@JohnTheBad: You can very profitable 4bet light @50NL on Stars. Many Regs just 3bet light without much thoughts but obv don't have the guts to 5bet shove with K3s.

Posted about 2 years ago

DiscoBisco

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doesn't this raise sizing somewhat overrep your hand as like QQ? i feel like when i reraise in this spot i'm only running into sets. as far as the fold equity argument i somewhat agree but just seems like this player might not quite have an airball or JJ type shove in him here, i think his shove is only flush draws and sets which against that shoving range seems like your way behind.

Posted about 2 years ago

DiscoBisco

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i know this guy 4 bets a ton, which obv most is bluffs. but is it safe to assume a vast majority of those 4bet bluffs or light 4bets come in more late position situations? should we really be assuming hes 4betting light from utg? this also seems like a spot where your imagine can be taken into account. given how laggy/crazy your playing i agree that personally you can be getting AK in here becuz he will be 4bet bluffing you in this spot a ton. but someone that is playing more like a 16/12 with a 3-4% 3bet, will he ever really be 4betting that player type light from utg?

Posted about 2 years ago

DiscoBisco

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the opponent ur up against is a legend in these games. the thing im wondering here is yeah his range is wide, but ur cbet gives the impression of close to 0 fold equity to me. so doesn't his shoving range here almost always have to be AK+? I guess hes still shoving like AJs/ATs/QJs type hands, but is he really shoving a 78s type hand here?

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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doesn't this raise sizing somewhat overrep your hand as like QQ? i feel like when i reraise in this spot i'm only running into sets. as far as the fold equity argument i somewhat agree but just seems like this player might not quite have an airball or JJ type shove in him here, i think his shove is only flush draws and sets which against that shoving range seems like your way behind.



In this hand when he raised me I thought the range of hands that have me crushed or have a ton of equity against me after he raises are very narrow due to the board texture. The only hands he can have here that he would be raising for value are 77, 55, and QQ. Hands like Q7, Q5 and 57s are just not in a 14/10 UTG PFR range. Any 5x hand for that matter is likely not in his UTG PFR range so him holding a combo draw such with a 5 in it is very unlikely. 89s is the only possible combo draw in his range PF here and against a 14/10 with a 32% ATT to steal that is very unlikely.

We can extrapolate from the HUD data that this player is positionally aware
and in my experience 89s is just not in a 14/10 with a 32 att to steal raising range, a 14/10 who steals 32% has an extremely tight range in early position.

When you factor in his fold to 3 bet was 56% we are 144 BB deep and he has position, I expect his calling range of my 3 bet to be a lot wider then normal, and it's wide to begin with. I am behind QQ, 77 and 55, I am ahead of and a large favorite vs everything else in his range

Given his range of hands, which would be sets, flush draws,KK/AA Qx hands, air and the occasional JJ/1010 type hand I am crushing his range of hands and that is why I felt comfortable stacking off here 144 BB deep

Lets add the extreme end of his range and include a hand like 89 of hearts. Against a combo draw such as 89 of hearts im a 57/43 favorite in the hand, as I hold the A of hearts.

I don't understand how my raise sizing seems to over rep my hand? The last thing you want to be doing here is to announce to the villain that I'm going to stack off and since I believe calling is bad here in this spot due to the fact that I expect almost his entire range to check behind on the turn due to the fact that a turn bet commits himself, the best option in this spot for me is to raise. I could call the raise and lead the turn but in my opinion that looks a lot stronger then my line because any turn lead by me would be commit him due to stack sizes.

A lot of players will raise here deep with air/marginal hands or Flush draws but very few will commit themselves with a follow up turn bet with air/marginal hand when I flat based on previous action, and a turn bet here would commit him.

Therefore my options are the following, 1) Fold which is out of the question due to hand ranges 2) Call, check the turn and allow him to check behind and take a free card, 3) Call the raise and lead the turn 4) Shove over top of his raise 5) Raise him very small and induce a call from a hand like AQ, KQ possibly even JJ or 1010 which would most likely fold to a shove or possibly induce a shove from air or his flush draws (I'm a 67% favorite vs Flush draws)

I agree that it's very unlikely this player is shoving JJ as a bluff here (I believe I mention that in the video) but some players will, and all players bluff some % of the time and I don't ever want to deny my opponent the opportunity to bluff.

How often have you seen someone raise pre flop, bet-3bet a 952 flop and fold to a shove after putting in 35% of their stack? It happens enough and I wanted to have the appearance of being able to do the same thing. I put in 35% of my stack in that spot which does have the appearance of some fold equity if he were to shove overtop.

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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i know this guy 4 bets a ton, which obv most is bluffs. but is it safe to assume a vast majority of those 4bet bluffs or light 4bets come in more late position situations? should we really be assuming hes 4betting light from utg? this also seems like a spot where your imagine can be taken into account. given how laggy/crazy your playing i agree that personally you can be getting AK in here becuz he will be 4bet bluffing you in this spot a ton. but someone that is playing more like a 16/12 with a 3-4% 3bet, will he ever really be 4betting that player type light from utg?



A lot of those 4 bet bluffs will be coming from late position situations but here's the thing, ask yourself if your facing a 4 bet what look stronger to you, a raise then 4 bet from an UTG who you 3 bet or a raise then 4 bet from the cutoff/button when you 3 bet from the blinds?
A villain with such a massive 4 bet range wil be 4 bet bluffing UTG with a higher then normal frequency then other players.

When you look at the HUD data, you can extropolate that villain has a wide opening range, a somewhat high fold to 3 bet, and an extremely high 4 bet range. To compensate for having to fold most of his EP raising range a competent villain will be 4 betting with a higher then normal frequency in EP to combat regs 3 betting his EP opens light.

I don't really think my image can be taken into account all that much on that table vs that villain because if you notice thru out the video on that particular table I wasn't doing much at all. I wasn't opening a ton because he was opening before me so a lot of the hands that I could have opened were 3 bet or fold situations and I folded almost all of them. I also limped behind several times on the button on that table with marginal hands due to the fish limping in ahead of me, so my image on that table wasn't that extreme at all.

I believe during that session before I made the move with AK that particular villain had already raised then 4 bet about 4 times previously vs different players so I thought it extremely likely he would do the same vs me.

And yes I do beleive that a person with such a high 4 bet range will be 4 betting light vs a 16/12 with a 4% 3 bet from UTG especially if hes a reg because regs are going to know thats hes opening wide and folding with a high frequency to 3 bets.

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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the opponent ur up against is a legend in these games. the thing im wondering here is yeah his range is wide, but ur cbet gives the impression of close to 0 fold equity to me. so doesn't his shoving range here almost always have to be AK+? I guess hes still shoving like AJs/ATs/QJs type hands, but is he really shoving a 78s type hand here?



I believe one of my greatest strengths is hand reading, and to be able to effectively use my HUD and interpret the date derived from it.

My read on this player is that he's a fish, or a regfish and I base that on the information that I have in my HUD. Looking at several of his stats in my HUD is what I base this on. 36% fold to 3 bet, large gap between PFR and VPIP, WTSD of 27% floating 60% of flops vs a PFR, 29% steal atempt with a VPIP of 19 etc. Individually most of these stats don't mean much on their own, but taken as a whole these stats are not indicative of a very good player.

Because I beleive this player to be not very good I believe it's quite possible he would raise with flush draws here like 78s. It's extrapolating a little bit but I had a read and went with it.

Flatting with AK in his spot is awful in my opinion, especially when hes not closing the action and it's quite possible the pot can become 3 way.

If a player is going to be flatting with AK in this spot ( in my opinion it's bad move) he's def capable of getting it in on this flop with flush draws even when it looks like 0 fold equity.

Again, it comes down to hand ranges and post flop play. In particular the frequency in which he is contiuing past the flop, which in his case is 60% in single raised pots and 61% in 3 bet pots.

I believe I mentioned in the video that my decision to stack off here was based on stats, in particular his fold to 3 bet and his continuing range in a 3bet pot and by no means in this a fistpump call, it's close but I am one to push a lot of small edges.

If this was a player who had a much higher fold to 3 bet and a much lower continuing range in 3 bet pots past the flop my decision would have been much harder and folding would have been a very real possibility in that spot. However in that spot vs a diff villain its very likely that my flop cbet sizing would have been different.

Legend, I'm not sure what you mean? I was curious by your statement and his winrate is dismal over 1 million hands which kind of confirms my initial impressions of a not so great player.

Posted about 2 years ago

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Legend, I'm not sure what you mean? I was curious by your statement and his winrate is dismal over 1 million hands which kind of confirms my initial impressions of a not so great player.



Thanks for all the thorough responses. Good stuff. As far as the legend comment I meant it in a negative connotation as he plays a ton, but basically never adjusts his game and hasn't made a single improvement in ages. Everyone knows who he is, but nobody is afraid of him.

As far as the AK 4bet hand. I have started thinking about 4betting 3bets of my utg raise a bit more. Because I raise fairly wide. In most cases 22+ and depending on table dynamics maybe even A9s+. And I do find these guys with like 8% button and cutoff 3bets just 3betting me liberally. So occasionally i take the bottom end of my range that might have an A blocker and turn it into a 4bet. I feel this is good since I'm 100% repping AA given I'm raise/4betting from UTG, and I have an A in my hand. I just didn't know how prevelant this thought process was amongst other players yet. Which is why I wasn't sure if that player was doing much light UTG 4betting.

Posted about 2 years ago

Chris MintZ

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When your checking back that KT hand on an AKxs flop Do you also check back your air to balance your range that way? What hands are you betting? Also I am assuming your only checking back hands like that vs regs as fishy players you can get more value by betting flop and turn?

Posted about 2 years ago

Chris MintZ

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Very nice video! Do you have screenshots of your HUD color coding?

@JohnTheBad: You can very profitable 4bet light @50NL on Stars. Many Regs just 3bet light without much thoughts but obv don't have the guts to 5bet shove with K3s.


ive been shoved on light a bunch with T3s JTo and some other junk lol

Posted about 2 years ago

KillBill

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Good Vid. Thanks.

I just wanted to mention next time I do a video like this where I'm stealing all the time I will have to cut it down to 4 tables.


I thought 6 was fine. You could always pause if things get sticky, but I thought you did a great job explaining the action from table to table and everything was very clear.

I believe one of my greatest strengths is hand reading, and to be able to effectively use my HUD and interpret the date derived from it.


Definitely picked up some things on HUD use. Thanks

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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When your checking back that KT hand on an AKxs flop Do you also check back your air to balance your range that way? What hands are you betting? Also I am assuming your only checking back hands like that vs regs as fishy players you can get more value by betting flop and turn?



Yes this balancing range is only vs regs, no need to balance your range against the fish, unless they are reg fish. I am more likely to bet my air hands there then a hand with SD value.

When checking behind on that flop texture, my hand is pretty much face up as a marginal hand so to balance my range in those spots, I will check back some of the stronger Ax hands in my range as well as take some of the marginal hands to show down with a higher then normal frequency against villains who will try and get me to fold my marginal hand

Posted about 2 years ago

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I thought the video was excellent.

I think the 6 table format is fine for FR.

2 or 4 tables is a bit slow for me.

I dont tend to check back IP very much which is obviously a weak part of my game.

I tend to bet too much, fearing free cards. I obviously miss value.

I also get bit too excited when I flop sets against good players although I have tried to think more about bet sizing to commit them or maybe give them the impression I am weaker than I am without slowplaying too much.

I actually liked the fact you flopped some big hands in this video as a lot of money is won and lost in these key situations.

Extracting the most value vs various opponents is key and I learned some new tricks in bet sizing.

I need to think more clearly in these situations.

Posted about 2 years ago

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How do you know that 'his range is so narrow for value' when you re-raise with AA? How do you know that you are ahead of his range to play for stacks at this spot?

Thanks!

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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How do you know that 'his range is so narrow for value' when you re-raise with AA? How do you know that you are ahead of his range to play for stacks at this spot?

Thanks!




I covered this already earlier in the thread but here is a copy/paste of my reasoning for you:

In this hand when he raised me I thought the range of hands that have me crushed or have a ton of equity against me after he raises are very narrow due to the board texture. The only hands he can have here that he would be raising for value are 77, 55, and QQ. Hands like Q7, Q5 and 57s are just not in a 14/10 UTG PFR range. Any 5x hand for that matter is likely not in his UTG PFR range so him holding a combo draw such with a 5 in it is very unlikely. 89s is the only possible combo draw in his range PF here and against a 14/10 with a 32% ATT to steal that is very unlikely.

We can extrapolate from the HUD data that this player is positionally aware
and in my experience 89s is just not in a 14/10 with a 32 att to steal raising range, a 14/10 who steals 32% has an extremely tight range in early position.

When you factor in his fold to 3 bet was 56% we are 144 BB deep and he has position, I expect his calling range of my 3 bet to be a lot wider then normal, and it's wide to begin with. I am behind QQ, 77 and 55, I am ahead of and a large favorite vs everything else in his range

Given his range of hands, which would be sets, flush draws,KK/AA Qx hands, air and the occasional JJ/1010 type hand I am crushing his range of hands and that is why I felt comfortable stacking off here 144 BB deep

Lets add the extreme end of his range and include a hand like 89 of hearts. Against a combo draw such as 89 of hearts im a 57/43 favorite in the hand, as I hold the A of hearts.

I don't understand how my raise sizing seems to over rep my hand? The last thing you want to be doing here is to announce to the villain that I'm going to stack off and since I believe calling is bad here in this spot due to the fact that I expect almost his entire range to check behind on the turn due to the fact that a turn bet commits himself, the best option in this spot for me is to raise. I could call the raise and lead the turn but in my opinion that looks a lot stronger then my line because any turn lead by me would be commit him due to stack sizes.

A lot of players will raise here deep with air/marginal hands or Flush draws but very few will commit themselves with a follow up turn bet with air/marginal hand when I flat based on previous action, and a turn bet here would commit him.

Therefore my options are the following, 1) Fold which is out of the question due to hand ranges 2) Call, check the turn and allow him to check behind and take a free card, 3) Call the raise and lead the turn 4) Shove over top of his raise 5) Raise him very small and induce a call from a hand like AQ, KQ possibly even JJ or 1010 which would most likely fold to a shove or possibly induce a shove from air or his flush draws (I'm a 67% favorite vs Flush draws)

I agree that it's very unlikely this player is shoving JJ as a bluff here (I believe I mention that in the video) but some players will, and all players bluff some % of the time and I don't ever want to deny my opponent the opportunity to bluff.

How often have you seen someone raise pre flop, bet-3bet a 952 flop and fold to a shove after putting in 35% of their stack? It happens enough and I wanted to have the appearance of being able to do the same thing. I put in 35% of my stack in that spot which does have the appearance of some fold equity if he were to shove overtop

Posted about 2 years ago

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Thanks... However, what if he is a 14/12 that will only play for stacks there with a set? Aren't you just giving set mining odds by playing like this? I'm asking this because this is a big issue for me when it comes to playing for stacks when I only have an overpair, if you could clarify to me how can you not be exploited by set miners with this play.

Thank you!

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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Thanks... However, what if he is a 14/12 that will only play for stacks there with a set? Aren't you just giving set mining odds by playing like this? I'm asking this because this is a big issue for me when it comes to playing for stacks when I only have an overpair, if you could clarify to me how can you not be exploited by set miners with this play.

Thank you!



During the video I stated that my 3 bet was a little small since we are a little deep, however I have AA and I want action so no mater my 3 bet size preflop i am going to offer set mining odds preflop unless I am willing to 3 bet to $30 or make some sort of really high 3 bet size which is not what I want to do here.

I'm not sure what you mean by exploited? You mean exploited preflop or postflop?

Posted about 2 years ago

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During the video I stated that my 3 bet was a little small since we are a little deep, however I have AA and I want action so no mater my 3 bet size preflop i am going to offer set mining odds preflop unless I am willing to 3 bet to $30 or make some sort of really high 3 bet size which is not what I want to do here.

I'm not sure what you mean by exploited? You mean exploited preflop or postflop?



I mean exploited both preflop and postflop... If I know that you will put all your stack in the flop with AA I can call that 3bet profitably with any pair trying to hit my set.

In my case, when I have AA and make a small 3bet against a tight player like that one I actually try not to play for stacks, I might make a reraise like you did but I'm folding to a shove... I don't know, this might be a leak on my game, and it is obviously exploitable as well, but in general I would not expect a tight player 14/12 to go that far with only a pair postflop.

Don't know, just my reasoning, obviously I'm just the student here Poke Tongue

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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I mean exploited both preflop and postflop... If I know that you will put all your stack in the flop with AA I can call that 3bet profitably with any pair trying to hit my set.

In my case, when I have AA and make a small 3bet against a tight player like that one I actually try not to play for stacks, I might make a reraise like you did but I'm folding to a shove... I don't know, this might be a leak on my game, and it is obviously exploitable as well, but in general I would not expect a tight player 14/12 to go that far with only a pair postflop.

Don't know, just my reasoning, obviously I'm just the student here Poke Tongue



Preflop theres no other way to play the hand other than to 3-bet a little bigger for value which I mentioned in the video I should have, even then we are not talking about that much of a difference here as the only way to deny him set mining odds is to 3 bet to a ridiculous amount such as $30, which in itself is a leak because I want him to call when I hold AA, I don't want a fold.

Postflop I am not stacking of blindly against every player here, just that player in particular I would have no problems stacking of to becasue
1) His fold to 3 bet overall is 54% 2) when he's In position on me his fold to 3 bet will be lower becasue people fold to 3 bets more out of position then in positon so he has a much lower fold to 3 bet then 54%
3) his fold to 3 bet stat will be even lower still because we are semi deep.4) Hand ranges.

The reason I'm not folding to a shove here is because I 3 bet so small, it has the appearance of fold equity. Thats the main reason I 3 bet so small was to induce shoves from worse or to have hands that I had dominated convince themselves to call because the price was good

Posted about 2 years ago

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Thanks! Got the point now! Obviously a leak in my game because I never think about those 3bet stats postflop, and I might be losing a lot of money by folding in those situations with AA where it is clearly profitable to call, as you explained it. I'll add this to my --also little-- arsenal.

Thanks!

Posted about 2 years ago

dvv15

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Great video, really an eye opener for me!

I would like to ask what you consider a good attempt to steal % in a normal SSNL game. I have a ATS of 36% but after watching the video i think that i should go for 40-45% even if i play a lot with the same (weak/tight) regulars at 100 and 200NL ?

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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Your stealing range should be based on your opponents in the blinds and how well you can play postflop.

The better you can play post flop the more you can steal. I try to get all my students to have 40-45% on average, but there is nothing wrong with 36%.

Posted about 2 years ago

timbo300

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Great video, going to watch it a second time in 2 days. Wondering if in the next video you can also include blind defending against cronic stealers than also have a higher calling 3 bet rate. I have trouble in this spot and believe this is a big leak in my game. Also maybe a video that you talk more about your HUD and how to use the stats to form a better read on opponents. I am always look to improve this area too.

Posted about 2 years ago

NLFool

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Great video, going to watch it a second time in 2 days. Wondering if in the next video you can also include blind defending against cronic stealers than also have a higher calling 3 bet rate. I have trouble in this spot and believe this is a big leak in my game. Also maybe a video that you talk more about your HUD and how to use the stats to form a better read on opponents. I am always look to improve this area too.



I like the blind defense theory and I will consider it in a future video. The HUD is an area I believe a lot of players are weak in and don't use to their full advantage but it's probably something I won't make a video on.

Posted about 2 years ago

drunk_bunny

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right.
it's not really stealing if you've got the nuts.

right?

Posted almost 2 years ago

velvia

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I'd have one question concerning your general preflop raise size. What do you think this smaller raise size is also applicable to the micros? I agree with you that villains will call our open no matter of 2,5bb or 3,5-4bb. With this smaller bet we can better controlling the pot, we can cheaper barrelling and we can cheaper opening our range. But it's harder to build the pot for our nuts. What do you think?

Posted almost 2 years ago

NLFool

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I'd have one question concerning your general preflop raise size. What do you think this smaller raise size is also applicable to the micros? I agree with you that villains will call our open no matter of 2,5bb or 3,5-4bb. With this smaller bet we can better controlling the pot, we can cheaper barrelling and we can cheaper opening our range. But it's harder to build the pot for our nuts. What do you think?



I think it's applicable across all levels. How often are you going to have nut hands and when you do have a nut hand how often is villain going to have a hand that is willing to play for a massive pot?

It's fairly easy to gain back that 1/2 bb on the flop that you missed pre when you flop the nuts.

Posted almost 2 years ago

velvia

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Today I gave it a try and really liked itSmile I was barrelling easier and could lay down easier. I don't see any difference at the stealing and was surprised how many folds I got. I got more 3bets, mini3bets, but 4betted more liberally. But I think people are calling my opens with more speculative hands. Will see, will play in this style for a whileSmile

Posted almost 2 years ago

velvia

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And one question. Is it profitable to call a smaller 3bet OOP w 22-77 for purely setmining? With a normal raise size it's not. But to this smaller open I got 7,5-8bb 3bets and I think it's a borderline.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NLFool

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And one question. Is it profitable to call a smaller 3bet OOP w 22-77 for purely setmining? With a normal raise size it's not. But to this smaller open I got 7,5-8bb 3bets and I think it's a borderline.



In theory it would be but it's not. In order to set mine you have to be sure that 1) villain has to hit a strong enough hand that he will stack off with 2) you hit a set 3) even if villain has the top of his range he needs to be willing to stack off on all board textures and that just isn't going to hapen when villain 3 bets with KK and the flop comes A72

Set mining is overrated in todays games without villain specific reads (when you know villain only 3 bets with KK+) Most people set mine to often and incorrectly. When I do flat a 3 bet with a hand like 77 it is not to set mine, it's to play poker.

Posted almost 2 years ago

itsatrap

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Time Link to 00:54:32

We need more NLFool vids!!


I loved watching both of these... gave me new ways to think about several spots and had great rationalizations of his thought process.

Posted over 1 year ago

criuzer13

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Time Link to 00:26:02

You say in about twenty secs from here that on table 2, Villain had a King with a weaker kicker. Do you think it was a mistake on his part to check back the turn? I feel like in this spot, you definitely want to bet the turn for value from worse and to protect from draws (like your AT).

Posted over 1 year ago

NLFool

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Yes I think that him not betting the turn was a mistake in a vaccum.

Posted over 1 year ago

Yassi80

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Once you are raised on this flop what range of hands do you give villain?
I plugged in poker stove QQ,99,AKs,AsQs,AsJs,AsTs,KQs,QsJs,JTs,8s7s,AKo,KQo and against that range our hand has only 25% equity

Posted over 1 year ago

NLFool

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Once you are raised on this flop what range of hands do you give villain?
I plugged in poker stove QQ,99,AKs,AsQs,AsJs,AsTs,KQs,QsJs,JTs,8s7s,AKo,KQo and against that range our hand has only 25% equity



Your range is to tight, villain only folds to 36% of 3 bets overall. Seeing as how 36% is the overall # and 99% of players call 3 bets with a wider range In Position than Out Of Position I'd estimate his fold to 3 bet to be 20-25% in position, so when he gets 3 bet he's caling with 8/10 hands. Thats a huge range.

I'd say his range in this spot would be the hands you mentioned as well as any suited connector any suited 1 gapper (with the exception of the very bottom of that range ie 23s 34s, although I can't discount them completely) a lot of suited 2 gappers as well as the hands that you mentioned and the odd bluff with air.


I comment on this in the video explaining that the fold to 3 bet stat was very low therefore his range is super wide here, if his fold to 3 bet stat was higher ie 70% or so it's an ez fold.

The fact that he happened to have the very top of his range here is irrelevant

Posted over 1 year ago



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