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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

Guess you guys got a treat as Rob must have messed up the release time. Paddy and Nolan rule and this video was fun to make with them. I drop some meta-game too, per usual.

nice job

i really like to format of re-player + discussion and of course the FR content

thanks

Guess you guys got a treat as Rob must have messed up the release time. Paddy and Nolan rule and this video was fun to make with them. I drop some meta-game too, per usual.

Up until 4AM sweating DD last night, guess I misclicked this one. Whoops.

Up until 4AM sweating DD last night, guess I misclicked this one. Whoops.

Glad you did, glad you did...

This was just great really liked these 2 vids.

Very first hand.

Raising to 5 into a 3BB pot into which the SB bets 1 is not an overbet! Potsize raise would be to 6 here.

BTW, this is a pretty standard hand in my opinion. Not worth much duscussion. Just get it in ASAP!

39:30 - 51:00

QQ UTG on JT9 two tone

After hero's weak c-bet all of you guys only consider folding to or calling the raise. Is shoving not at least an option to think about and have some discussion. I think he could call with worse here (i.e. pair + draw, bare draws etc.) but even more importantly we negate his positional advantage.

[Funny Side Note]
As hero is from Ireland here. I was in Dublin recently, playing a tournament in one of the various card clubs over there. During the middle stage of the tourney I had 77 on the button and the CO raised 3x. I called and called his c-bet on an 8-high board. The turn blanked and he check folded to my bet.
A few minutes later we started a little conversation in which he told me that he folded 77 in that hand. I laughed and told him that I had the same hand and then said something like "The Power of Position".
His reply was: "I should have just sticked it all in on the turn. They call it Irish position."
[/Funny Side Note]

So my question here is: Can hero not use his "Irish Position" and just stick it all in on the flop?


And LOL at the final hand. Dude, Irish Position is applied when your opponent is last to act not vice versa

But whoever says that he has never spewed off a buyin or two like this before is a liar in my opinon. Respect @ "Sounded Simple" for including this hand into the video.

Sugar Nut

You're getting value towned or racing far too often to make sticking it in with QQ on that board a good play imo. I don't think there's any room for argument personally.

i really disagree. Against JT or any two pair, you are flipping. Even against 87 you have 30% equity, and against hands like QT, QJ, etc, you are a huge favorite. It seems insane to fold an overpair with an open ender for 100 bbs without strong reads.

On 46s handed. This is an ideal spot to isolate for me unless he rarely folds to cbet(below 50 percent).

i really disagree. Against JT or any two pair, you are flipping. Even against 87 you have 30% equity, and against hands like QT, QJ, etc, you are a huge favorite. It seems insane to fold an overpair with an open ender for 100 bbs without strong reads.

I'd say run a stove,(too lazy myself and don't care but I think his range that ur getting it in with is) 2 pair, 78, sets, akc, and can't think of much else that shows up signifigantly(kq etc)...

Well given the read I had that the player was very passive I assigned him a range of made hands against which I had zero fold equity.
Hand 0: 25.808% 22.44% 03.37% 7552 1135.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 74.192% 70.82% 03.37% 23838 1135.00 { QQ-99, KQs, 87s, KQo, 87o }

(edit - I forgot 2 pairs that would bring up equity slightly but you get the point)

Now if we were up against a really agressive player that would turn something into a semibluff then we get something more like this....
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.921% 50.25% 03.67% 60196 4395.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 46.079% 42.41% 03.67% 50803 4395.50 { QQ-88, KQs, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, KQo, Q9o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o }

However I dont think this is a very probable range.
The problem with this read is that he would have to expect me to fold the majority of my UTG raising rangethat I cbet here, thats not a wide range given that AK and lower PP dont get c-bet into 2 players on this board for me.


Given the dead money a shove here (player dependant) may not be a total spew but here are two important things
- Even if not a spew it would be small +EV and super high variance (forget fold equity on this board I think)
- Making high variance plays can really disturb a session, a kind of a metagame thing. One question I didnt really get time to include was to ask Joe and Sean how they feel about avoiding thin +EV but very high variance plays just to keep your own head level during a session.

On 46s handed. This is an ideal spot to isolate for me unless he rarely folds to cbet(below 50 percent).

Yeah, I isolate a ton but the stats on this guy were 60/30/4 (or thereabouts), generally I dont like to isolate these guys because
(a) They call and bluff too much post flop so I can build a hand when ahead anyway.
(b) They dont fold enough postflop so I dont like that plan as much as I usually do.

SS;

In regard to avoiding thin EV plays to keep your head level:

I don't ever think shoving QQ with no club on this board is going to be EV+, although it is close. Just wanted to reiterate that. I don't think it's the worst thing to keep yourself in mostly easy spots if you're mass-tabling and trying to grind up a big roll. If you're playing a solid game you should have faith in your ability to exploit better spots etc. If you're tilt prone it can certainly help keep your head level. As games get tougher however, you will need to adjust and take any slightly +EV spot you can get, as they will come up less frequently.

I know folding an overpair + open ended seems insane but villain shows extreme strength and we are out of position. There are better spots.

I think it's pretty clear in my videos that I'm not a nit, that being said this is just such a blatant fold to me, and I have trouble accepting any argument against it given the dyanmics of the hand.

Enjoyed these two videos.

Looking forward to more.

Good video, I enjoy the FR content.

SS -- I must have played that hand on my laptop because I can't find it in my db, and I don't recall it specifically, but I'm pretty sure I was just floating you with an under pair.

I think that's a good plan against my range here, I even managed to botch up one of the hands your plan shouldnt have worked against. NH sir.

Hey guys, great vid here. I really like this format, and I think Nolan does some great stuff in all his vids so far. I agree with you said about the QQ hand, but do you think if you were to play the hand, is check-raising the flop the best line to take?

I think bet/fold is generally the best way to either maximize value or minimize loss.

Exelent FR content again guys ,TY!

Just a short comment on the 46s hand , i usually iso here against a single MP limper but against the loose pasive calling station type i think limping behind has his merits if u are fairly confident in your abilities postflop.

Awesome video, guys. I think the QQ hand is something that we run into more often than we like and I've CERTAINLY had that same thought (I'm not folding an overpair and OESD here). Thanks for making the vid!!

Great video! I really like the discussion format. Part one of Late Night Coaching was the first vid I watched and was a big part of the reason I signed up for Deuces Cracked. More FullRing content please

My first vid on DC
Excellent and I really like the format
I also like Nolan coming back to comment

In the 1st hand Paddy flops a set with 2 limpers . 3 flush and straight hits the board . No one mentions the possible straight . That is a very tough call for me and he pushes all in which you guys said was correct . He could have easily had the 45 or the flush . And he could hit a draw , But there are some crazy callers at the B&M I am used to playing at , and 45 or ATCs is well within everyone's range . Am I just playing way too tight or is there a concept I'm missing . I like the folding QQ , thats more like my play . I really liked the point about if an 8c or Kc comes you hit but now your really screwed . May be you could recommend another vid

I just heard this vid late night coaching (NLHE) w/Nolan -- Joe Tall is definitely really good at moderating. I have seen a few of these coach / coach / student vids, and this is the best so far ! It is rare that the 'guest' coach lets the primary coach give his thoughts, and even rarer for the guest coach to actually improve the discussion. Usually the guest just dominates the other two.

Joe strikes a really nice balance between having insights of his own, and getting the ideas out coherently from the others

And kudos also for Nolan being able to clearly explain the concepts, and stay on track, not drift off (sorry BW, but 'sometimes' you are hard to follow)

Paddy, I cannot believe you showed the spew hand. It gave me, and probably a bunch of others hope that we all make mistakes, and progress is not a straight line.

so, NICE HAND to all three of you

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