Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (High Stakes)

Yay!

Looking forward to watching

Finally a video on deucescracked, been waiting past 2 weeks. I somehow know every hu video by heart by now. Peace and take care.

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I say that Table 1 isn't worth discussing but I could have 4-bet preflop here

What? Krantz is back ? Sweeeeet

its finally here haha. .cant wait to watch this later

COOOOL!!!
KRANTZ, make more videos please!!!!!!

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I think you should raise a little bit smaller here to give him the illusion of fold equity, your pot commiting yourself here and will not induce as many bluffs/light pushes from him. Wouldn't 3-4x his raise be better since you aint that afraid of him peeling anyway?

on table 4 that is

Re: Intro when you gonna get working on a retake of Return of the Jedi - the way it should have been without the Ewoks...
come on jay....

good to see u back man.

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Why is this a check back/ fold? (Table 1)

dont download the mp4, it's 400+ megs while the wmv is only 166

Wait... wasn't this meant to come out last year?


jk

dont download the mp4, it's 400+ megs while the wmv is only 166

ty

Very nice, good to see more of this type of content Jay! Looking forward to the new pr1nnyraiding series as well!

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Id hit it.
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The one on the left of course.

hey brah, thx for the vid

can i get a justification for flatting 56o/78o/etc oop? seems like youre going to get owned a whole lot

hey brah, thx for the vid

can i get a justification for flatting 56o/78o/etc oop? seems like youre going to get owned a whole lot

Only a minraise bro. It's ok. Skill edge + decent hand, we can flop pairs, bluff lead, checkraise some, we're cool. But it's the bottom of our range, we'll dump 43o. If 98o is a clear flat, flatting two lower can't be super terrible.

villains story- http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/ill-play-nosebleeds-end-year-794635/

good read, sum good hand discussion too. GO IFS!!!!

Only a minraise bro. It's ok. Skill edge + decent hand, we can flop pairs, bluff lead, checkraise some, we're cool. But it's the bottom of our range, we'll dump 43o. If 98o is a clear flat, flatting two lower can't be super terrible.

id b really surprised if 98o was a clear flat

Can you tell us a little about your strategies in singleraised pots OOP?
I got the sense that you are playing your hands with weak showdown pretty weak on the turn/river when the flop goes check/check..

Is this a result of him checking back more air than most people, so that you want to give him rope?
I would in general think that putting a lot of pressure on his range here, would work well for us, in that we need to have a huge callingrange pre, since he is minraising. So we have to fight back more thatnvs a player that is 3Xing say 80% of hands pre...

Or am I just making a big deal out of nothing?

dont download the mp4, it's 400+ megs while the wmv is only 166

Looking into a fix for that now.

id b really surprised if 98o was a clear flat

Well..If SB is minrasing he is risking 1,5BB to win 1,5BB, so he will automatically make monies if we fold more than 50% of hands OOP. And also if we are flatting most of our range OOP, villain is freerolling us, since he gets to see a flop. So we have to defend even wider in order to prevent this. So a defending-range around 60% makes sense to me..

98o is in the top 50% of hands according to pokerstove. So for me this seems to be a clear flat..

This is not taking in to consideration how villains tendencies are post flop. If we are playing a weak player we can naturally play even more hands, given our good odds pre..Or we might tighten up if he gives us a lot of trouble..But not more that 50% (I think I still would play 60%)

Well..If SB is minrasing he is risking 1,5BB to win 1,5BB, so he will automatically make monies if we fold more than 50% of hands OOP. And also if we are flatting most of our range OOP, villain is freerolling us, since he gets to see a flop. So we have to defend even wider in order to prevent this. So a defending-range around 60% makes sense to me..

98o is in the top 50% of hands according to pokerstove. So for me this seems to be a clear flat..

This is not taking in to consideration how villains tendencies are post flop. If we are playing a weak player we can naturally play even more hands, given our good odds pre..Or we might tighten up if he gives us a lot of trouble..But not more that 50% (I think I still would play 60%)

2 things
1) decent arguments for playing more than 50%, not for flatting it
2) the "pot odds for the win" argument ignores way too much about postflop play. for example, say there's a guy opening 100% but who literally never folds a pair or A hi postflop, we might call less than 50% because we're only planning on value betting him postflop and never bluffing (whereas we'd need to bluff to play 87o profitably)

Andrew

Yes, I for sure see your point..
But in a general strategy vs a villain that is minrasing, I think we can say that 89o should be a hand to strong to fold..
If you want to 3bet or flat is another discussion.. I like to flat it more than not, but that just comes down to how you are comfortable playing..

Yo, this is IFS, hope you enjoyed the vid, and some of my spews

I think 98o is a pretty clear call against a minraiser fwiw

Oh and i'll happily answer if you have any questions regarding the vid

Yo, this is IFS, hope you enjoyed the vid, and some of my spews

I think 98o is a pretty clear call against a minraiser fwiw

TELL ME WHY BROTHAMAN

hey brah, thx for the vid

can i get a justification for flatting 56o/78o/etc oop? seems like youre going to get owned a whole lot

it's as simple as: playing a lot of hands cheaply early in a match is the most efficient way to gather info on your opponent and understand how he thinks. i think that's true for most people... but definitely for me. i'm hudless too. it's by no means a strategy you have to commit to (no strategies should be inflexible) either. i don't think i'm losing money here immediately - we're 4 tabling, i'm not giving up every pot i miss, and he's not going to play every pot perfectly.

maybe most importantly, i think 3-betting a lot against a player like this is going to be much worse than just folding or calling (and for previous reasons i'd rather call)

I think you should raise a little bit smaller here to give him the illusion of fold equity, your pot commiting yourself here and will not induce as many bluffs/light pushes from him. Wouldn't 3-4x his raise be better since you aint that afraid of him peeling anyway?

on table 4 that is

yah you are right... i would have rather jammed AI

it's as simple as: playing a lot of hands cheaply early in a match is the most efficient way to gather info on your opponent and understand how he thinks. i think that's true for most people... but definitely for me. i'm hudless too. it's by no means a strategy you have to commit to (no strategies should be inflexible) either. i don't think i'm losing money here immediately - we're 4 tabling, i'm not giving up every pot i miss, and he's not going to play every pot perfectly.

maybe most importantly, i think 3-betting a lot against a player like this is going to be much worse than just folding or calling (and for previous reasons i'd rather call)

the info reason is pretty cool, i like that.

i still think that vs a random unknown from sweden, you're most likely best off folding those things pre to start out with and building the tight image you'd need to start playing those things profitably

Why is this a check back/ fold? (Table 1)

oops must have not been paying close enough attention. i might have raised here... but calling turn is OK too.

pretty great to play 2 hours of rush poker winning one single big pot, running 3 times kings into aces, twice queens into kings and perfectly running with set into bigger set TWICE and then watching Krantz how hes having a sick run of cards...

TELL ME WHY BROTHAMAN

Well I basiclly play by the principle "Can't win if you fold", and I think that concept applies to the 98 hand (as well as many other hands).




nah, but to be serious I think it plays pretty deacent postflop and we're def getting good enough odds to play it at a better rate than -100bb/100.

Well I basiclly play by the principle "Can't win if you fold", and I think that concept applies to the 98 hand (as well as many other hands).




nah, but to be serious I think it plays pretty deacent postflop and we're def getting good enough odds to play it at a better rate than -100bb/100.

again, i hear the "odds" argument all the time, but I'd be surprised if you guys weren't overestimating 89o's equity. You're a dog to T4o, and hes in position

Yea, well it plays a lot better than T4 and many other

Gosh, good to see u back making videos Jay ! We missed you !

Yea, well it plays a lot better than T4 and many other

yes and no, it flops more equity than T4 does most certainly, but you still put yourself in a tough spot of not flopping equity enough and having too much air in your range in general. just thoughts, i enjoyed the video

Bwhale it's pretty standard to play loosely at the start of the match/against unknowns to get reads and build image asap at the expense of marginally -ev calls preflop. And later in the match you will know if it's +ev or not to call...

I really don't see how this is worth 7+ posts from you when you for example could be giving me a free charity sweat session (hint hint, waiting for pm ;o)

Bwhale it's pretty standard to play loosely at the start of the match/against unknowns to get reads and build image asap at the expense of marginally -ev calls preflop. And later in the match you will know if it's +ev or not to call...

I really don't see how this is worth 7+ posts from you when you for example could be giving me a free charity sweat session (hint hint, waiting for pm ;o)

haha we'll see

i remember taylor caby saying something about starting a match with a tight and solid image before opening up later, i suppose im in that camp

ya you heard me, pro taylor caby anti krantz, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MEEEEE

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T1- so are you just leading your bottom pair as a bluff/protection?

Andrew - you play much HU?

haha we'll see

i remember taylor caby saying something about starting a match with a tight and solid image before opening up later, i suppose im in that camp

ya you heard me, pro taylor caby anti krantz, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MEEEEE

Yeah I heard this exact same conversation between Samoleus and Giggy.

Niman: When I start my sessions, I play tight against unknowns. I want to get reads by observation, get to know my opponents and react accordingly, and build a tight image.

Giggy: I like the opposite, I play like a maniac, test what I can get away with and get reads ASAP, see who I can run over and get loose image and tilt those I can't.

I think both camps make good sense and both of the guys enjoy similar success with similar game, but camp Giggy/Krantz is more fun ;o

i remember taylor caby saying something about starting a match with a tight and solid image before opening up later, i suppose im in that camp

what do you think are the pros of the tight at the beginning strategy compared to the looser/maximum info gathering strategy?

My initial thought was that maybe since you will have to be bluffing a lot in HU because nobody ever has anything, starting off with a tighter image works better for that? anything else?

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T2- you say that if he was bluffing you think he would continue to bluff the turn, so when he checks you think hes usually either giving up or hes got a better hand, but then you say if you check back you can maybe pick off a bluff. isnt this contradictory to what you said about expecting him to bluff the turn if he was bluffing?

im obviously not saying the river is a fold, just looking for clarification on your thought process there.

T1- so are you just leading your bottom pair as a bluff/protection?

bluff

T2- you say that if he was bluffing you think he would continue to bluff the turn, so when he checks you think hes usually either giving up or hes got a better hand, but then you say if you check back you can maybe pick off a bluff. isnt this contradictory to what you said about expecting him to bluff the turn if he was bluffing?

im obviously not saying the river is a fold, just looking for clarification on your thought process there.

what i said was confusing -- i mean that if he was bluffing the flop, he's now check/folding the turn, so there's no point in betting (he's either folding worse or calling better)... i should just check back and pick off a bluff on the river.

T1- so are you just leading your bottom pair as a bluff/protection?

bluff

5 card draw!

Great vid Krantz, really looking forward to p2.

At 54.52 you 4 bet J9o to $140 and check back/fold a K54 flop. Seems like a good spot to cbet or at least float/raise the turn?

Also at 57mins you talk about peoples tendencies to want more but not be able to enjoy the moment. I like the saying "It's the journey not the end."

At 54.52 you 4 bet J9o to $140 and check back/fold a K54 flop. Seems like a good spot to cbet or at least float/raise the turn?

Also at 57mins you talk about peoples tendencies to want more but not be able to enjoy the moment. I like the saying "It's the journey not the end."

checking back there was a mistake i think

a)
regarding preflop: you fold hands like Q6, Q5 in the beginning and at the end of the video, in the middle of the match you suddenly open 94o and another 73o (?) without mentioning why - he didn't seem to 3bet less at that time - was this due to autopiloting/not paying much attention?
b)
regarding the loose BB defends: i think they're very questionable and your point about gathering much information doesn't really hold up imo. even if you fold 75o, 64o, you would probably still defend 50% or something similar - you won't gain much more information in a short period of time by calling a few extra weak hands, because you still call a reasonable amount of hands if you muck those.
c)
you also don't seem to consider calling the smallish 4bet with J8s at @1:13:45 (you snapcall KQo on another table around the same time though) - i would've thought you'd snapcall this as well.

d)

Can you tell us a little about your strategies in singleraised pots OOP?
I got the sense that you are playing your hands with weak showdown pretty weak on the turn/river when the flop goes check/check..

after first watching the video i was gonna ask the same thing, but i just reviewed those spots and got to a different conclusion:

@28:45 KRANTZ bets 3rd pair, which is most likely good - check/folds a pretty safe river though
@29:45 very strong 2nd pair with J7 for KRANTZ -checked down vs A high
@32:00 very strong 2nd pair with JT for KRANTZ - checked down vs 55
@32:45 you turn a draw with Q3 - snappot, he folds
@35:00 huge pair+draw with KT - get checked down to the river, IFS bluffs an A and gets called
@41:50 3rd pair with JT - gets checked down to the river, he overbet bluffs + shows
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i think this was the point, at which IFS realized KRANTZ's turn-/rivercheckingrange was stronger than usual. he bluffs considerably less from this point on and checks down mediocre hands.
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@51:20 snappot turn with K2dd for the FD - get called by A high, goes to SD (might be a result of IFS considering KRANTZ's bettingrange to be slightly weak since he often checks stronger hands)
@52:15 T6 on QTxx - gets checked down vs K high
@53:30 74 makes 3rd pair, gets checked down to K rvr - he overbets K7 for value, KRANTZ stationing it up
@1:05:30 KRANTZ folding 2nd pair to a potsize river bet

i think it looked like KRANTZ was getting outplayed here, because he ran pretty bad with his calls/folds overall. he was definitely adapting to IFS checkback/checkback/blufflines in the beginning of the match and he seemed to catch on to him stopping to bluff in the end. he'll probably tell us

e)
i have another question regarding the KQ hand from the end of the video. you try to valueshove against marginal hands. do you think he would check back a lot of mediocre hands on the turn? he bet Q7 on QJ8x smallish @56:20 (you went for the stack-a-donk there) and used a very similar betsize with 99 on K645 @1:11:45. this would lead me to believe that his range contains a lot less weak Qx / 88-JJ type hands and most of the 1 pair type hands you're trying to get to call are 4x, 6x type hands - those types of hands improve on the river quite a bit. i think valueshoving can only be justified if you think his preflop 4betting range contains mostly of highcard/lowcard combos, otherwise he'll have a straight/2pair too often (but you don't have that kind of read anyways, so who knows). i'd still like a c/c river much more, i think he is more likely to try to rep good hands and turn his J4 into a bluff, than he is to herocall you.

i liked the video very much, a lot of food for thought. it would be good if you could expand on what kinds of adjustments you were making as part of your overall gameplan (but i guess you might have had some trouble with that due to the 4tabling / no hud / rustiness).

Krantz, i dont post many comments but definitely wanted to let you know i thought this was a strong video.

very well done, esp w the extended break. much stronger than would have anticipated after such a long delay, i definitely enjoyed it.

looking forward to more, oh and definitely pls work on some new 6max stuff soon. props, 5/5

Andrew - you play much HU?

ya

what do you think are the pros of the tight at the beginning strategy compared to the looser/maximum info gathering strategy?

My initial thought was that maybe since you will have to be bluffing a lot in HU because nobody ever has anything, starting off with a tighter image works better for that? anything else?

well, if you think people are super likely to bluff a ton, call it off a ton, and generally play in a hyperaggro state, than the "play tight at the beginning" strategy is pretty awesome because you keep on getting paid off big time on everything and you never bleed money. its only if they stop paying you off that you need to loosen up and get your bluff on imo.

Looking into a fix for that now.

Posted new Mp4, still 200MB though, sorry.
-Rusty

aww man, you've busted my subliminal advertising.

well, if you think people are super likely to bluff a ton, call it off a ton, and generally play in a hyperaggro state, than the "play tight at the beginning" strategy is pretty awesome because you keep on getting paid off big time on everything and you never bleed money. its only if they stop paying you off that you need to loosen up and get your bluff on imo.

yeah that makes sense.

seems like you are also implying that the game dynamics of HU (i.e. generally looser/bluffier play) make it such that playing opposite of that (i.e. tighter) is really good until your opponent adjusts (sort of how you can get away with playing looser in full ring)?

yeah that makes sense.

seems like you are also implying that the game dynamics of HU (i.e. generally looser/bluffier play) make it such that playing opposite of that (i.e. tighter) is really good until your opponent adjusts (sort of how you can get away with playing looser in full ring)?

yup

I don't agree, I think 98 is a flat against pretty much anyone who minraises. But on the other hand, I am from sweden, and apparantly we're not known for our inclination to fold

Btw, baluga, wanna take a match?

I don't agree, I think 98 is a flat against pretty much anyone who minraises. But on the other hand, I am from sweden, and apparantly we're not known for our propensity to fold

Btw, baluga, wanna take a match?

Hokay! sort out via PM

Andrew

Btw, baluga, wanna take a match?

Hokay! sort out via PM Smile

haha classic IFS!

please make a video Andrew if its cool with IFS

I don't agree, I think 98 is a flat against pretty much anyone who minraises. But on the other hand, I am from sweden, and apparantly we're not known for our inclination to fold

Btw, baluga, wanna take a match?

Another great news for the DC members. Please make a video about it

OH come on, Caby is no Krantz.....I never saw Caby playing 100k nl LOL and I wouldn't be on this site without you Kranz

Hokay! sort out via PM

Andrew

Video

hehe
this is gonna be crazy
if it ain`t gonna be recorded
i would love to rail it and i know alot of other would 2.

ifs soon a coach on dc?

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Andrew

Ok, great, how do you send pms?

Ok, great, how do you send pms?

upper right corner, hover mouse over "My DC" and you should see it

or hover over the avatar

a)
regarding preflop: you fold hands like Q6, Q5 in the beginning and at the end of the video, in the middle of the match you suddenly open 94o and another 73o (?) without mentioning why - he didn't seem to 3bet less at that time - was this due to autopiloting/not paying much attention?

autopilot i think

b)
regarding the loose BB defends: i think they're very questionable and your point about gathering much information doesn't really hold up imo. even if you fold 75o, 64o, you would probably still defend 50% or something similar - you won't gain much more information in a short period of time by calling a few extra weak hands, because you still call a reasonable amount of hands if you muck those.

this is such a dense subject to get into, but if we can at least agree that calling these hands is not burning tons of money, i think we can agree that a good thinking player can find ways to make up for the immediate disadvantage (in creating traps and forcing adjustments that wouldn't otherwise be possible in playing a tighter or more aggressive strategy OOP). think about it in terms of RPS - sometimes you need to go rock before you go scissors, sometimes you will never go paper early on if you think your opponent is expecting paper out of the gate

c)
you also don't seem to consider calling the smallish 4bet with J8s at @1:13:45 (you snapcall KQo on another table around the same time though) - i would've thought you'd snapcall this as well.

I think J8s plays worse against his 4b range than KQo

e)
i have another question regarding the KQ hand from the end of the video. you try to valueshove against marginal hands. do you think he would check back a lot of mediocre hands on the turn? he bet Q7 on QJ8x smallish @56:20 (you went for the stack-a-donk there) and used a very similar betsize with 99 on K645 @1:11:45. this would lead me to believe that his range contains a lot less weak Qx / 88-JJ type hands and most of the 1 pair type hands you're trying to get to call are 4x, 6x type hands - those types of hands improve on the river quite a bit. i think valueshoving can only be justified if you think his preflop 4betting range contains mostly of highcard/lowcard combos, otherwise he'll have a straight/2pair too often (but you don't have that kind of read anyways, so who knows). i'd still like a c/c river much more, i think he is more likely to try to rep good hands and turn his J4 into a bluff, than he is to herocall you.

as i said, i think if he were going to bluff, he'd do it on the turn... by the river he is likely happy to get to showdown... and who doesn't love a good hero call with one pair in a crazy pot on video! v good pt about the high card/low card combos though

i liked the video very much, a lot of food for thought. it would be good if you could expand on what kinds of adjustments you were making as part of your overall gameplan (but i guess you might have had some trouble with that due to the 4tabling / no hud / rustiness).

thx, i plan to do this in the next part

haha classic IFS!

please make a video Andrew if its cool with IFS

+100000000000000000000

Good vid!

You talked in the beginning of the match about looking for timing tells during the match. Can you be more specific about what youre looking for? It would also be interesting to know what timing tells you think are the most common

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here you should put in your 675$ again with aces, instead of shoving

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the donkey is NEVER a donkey

the cowboy and greasy mechanic looking dude are always donkeys

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easy call with anything with showdown value on AJxKK to the overbet? won't you be calling with 100% of your range? (which admittedly is not a bad exploitive strategy when he plays 65o like this and apparently uses nothing but some guess at your range/timing to bluff here)

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T3- do you think his shove with JT is a bit thin?

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any chance of a DC short on your favorite magic brownie recipe?

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T3- why do you think he would be more likely to bet A6 than 56 on the flop? (i understand that you were kind of guessing, but what made you inclined to make that guess?)

IFS and I just finished playing a little match fwiw

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Wouldnt you consider c/raising the quads here because his callrange is his bettingrange?

Wouldnt you consider c/raising the quads here because his callrange is his bettingrange?

he prob wouldn't call a c/r w Qx, he also wouldn't bet most pocket pairs <Q (although he also wouldn't call an overbet with those)