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Duel: Jongreenway (#1) - HU versus Hielko

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Duel: Jongreenway (#1) - HU versus Hielko by jongreenway

Jongreenway plays Hielko and discusses countering aggressive pre flop players.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 98 minutes long
  • Posted almost 4 years ago

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craiggerz

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@16 mins your hand is KQ and you flop an oesd, there's really no reason not to be donking this flop after the previous hand where he checks back J5 w/ a gutter on the flop, the last time you lead he gave you credit and you haven't done it again.

Posted almost 4 years ago

craiggerz

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@26 mins you state that he's not flatting your 3-bets and you say something along the lines of "we can open our 3-betting range to include hands that will flop good top pairs"... does this make sense? If so please explain. I would think that we should be 3-betting complete trash and flatting stuff like TJ because he's either folding or 4-betting.

Good vid so far, thanks.

Posted almost 4 years ago

jongreenway

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@26 mins you state that he's not flatting your 3-bets and you say something along the lines of "we can open our 3-betting range to include hands that will flop good top pairs"... does this make sense? If so please explain. I would think that we should be 3-betting complete trash and flatting stuff like TJ because he's either folding or 4-betting.

Good vid so far, thanks.



Yeah I don't know why I said that. I think I correct myself later in the video. You are obviously right I must of been on drugs.

Posted almost 4 years ago

CoRdo

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At about 9 mins Hielko checks down a J on J2A29. Shouldn't he bet the turn with the pair? He almost always has the best hand and by betting he protects against jongreenway hitting a better pair or making some backdoor hands. Jon might check behind a better J because those A high boards get c/r'ed a lot nowaydays but I think Hielko is good there most of the time and he won't induce any bluffs since Jon would bet the flop if he wanted to bluff. He can't rep any hand after checking the flop.

At 11 mins you say Hielko won't lead a Q often. Why is that? For c/r a Q is often to weak and c/c'ing sucks oop. I'd lead a Q a fair amount of the time on this board. Is this a mistake? Why do you think he never leads with a flushdraw?

At 19 mins I think you clearly missed a valuebet there. He has a lot of PP, an 8 and a 2 in his range. He might fold busted draws etc. I think you might bet this river when not on video but maybe you wanted to make a really good check for the video in case he had a 5 Wink If you bet like 9$ you get called by 33.

20:30 why did you 3bet with TPTK there? The board is really dry and Hielko didn't get out of line a lot. A high boards get c/r'ed a lot nowadays with air and you just make him fold anything you beat. He doesn't have a lot strong Aces in his range since he would 3bet them. when you call he might try to get you off of a weak ace or something like KJ. I really don't like the idea of 3bet/calling it there, Hielko is pretty solid and you won't be ahead often enough to make this profitable.

22:20 the river betsize is right in the middle of what you said is possible - either bet small and induce a raise (I'd consider small as something like 25) or overbet like 54, but 36 is right in the middle and he won't raise a J but he definitely calls a larger bet with a J. If you want to induce a raise bet a lot smaller IMO.

I'm at 25mins and this is one hell of a long video and this comment is already pretty long so I'll continue watching and commenting on this later so you can answer this if you choose to do so and not a huge comment on the whole vid.

Posted almost 4 years ago

Aart

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04:45 "He might be valuebetting thin here" is not an argument for folding.

07:30 You say that LAGs open way too many hands because of their constant desire to outplay you, I see absolutely no problem in opening 100% (or close to 100%) of hands IP, I also think it has little to do with Hielko's postflop play.

9:30 K7 is a bit close to cbet, I'd be leaning towards a check at this point in the match
your equity against a very optimistic range:
board: JdQcKd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Kc7d 56.54% 212,984 9,483
JT,QT,KT,QJ,QK,KJ,T*,A*,*d*d 43.46% 162,643 9,483
He'll also sometimes have JJ+, AK

13:28 I don't think it's that obvious that you are 3betting light after you lose a pot, you are both regs, you aren't gonna tilt from losing a pot.

This is where I stopped watching, one thing that I would like to mention that stuck with me is that you said that you didn't wonna make it a preflop game because you both played close to optimal preflop.
Don't take this personal or try not to be offended by this but you should really take a closer look at your preflop play because you didn't play close to optimal.

-Aart

Posted almost 4 years ago

tubasteve

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@16 mins your hand is KQ and you flop an oesd, there's really no reason not to be donking this flop after the previous hand where he checks back J5 w/ a gutter on the flop, the last time you lead he gave you credit and you haven't done it again.



seems better to try and trap a bet out of air with a c/r. if he's checking the flop with just a gutter then we can just bet turn/river a lot when he checks back and get him to fold there anyway.

Posted almost 4 years ago

sanjuanworm

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Time Link to 00:37:39

your comment early on that heilko wasn't playing as well as you'd expect seems very ironic at this point in the video...

Posted almost 4 years ago



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