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Duel: 2fouroffsuit (#5) - Video Review Session

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Duel: 2fouroffsuit (#5) - Video Review Session by 2fouroffsuit

2fouroffsuit puts away the notepad and takes you from the beginning of his time with a new student.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 51 minutes long
  • Posted 7 months ago

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Comments for Duel: 2fouroffsuit (#5) - Video Review Session

doomsw1tch

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Will we please get to see more action? Like atleast twotabling 100NL?
I'm sorry, but this is boring as hell and covers really only beginner stuff (and its 5th episode of the same sh*t over and over) Undecided

Posted 11 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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As I've suggested in my other videos, if you have trouble with difficult opponents and would like to submit a video I'd love to discuss some difficult spots. Smile Also, please feel free to post some higher stakes hands in the HU forum.

Most of my miniseries and admittedly this video as well is geared towards beginners and people struggling with beating small stakes HU. If you would like to PM me I'd be happy to take a look at making a bonus video or something with some more difficult spots.

Posted 11 months ago

BellaLobo

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I would just like to say. I like this video. Clearly states Micro/Small stakes. So this has been great for us newbies getting our feet wet playing HU.

Please continue the great work, and do not change based on just one post. Hate to see what I consider a good series so far ruined.

Thanks!

Posted 11 months ago

doomsw1tch

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Let me rephrase my question, i'm sorry if it came out a bit harsh - i appreciate the hours you guys put in to make a video. Wink
But is there going to be a higher level HU (NL200+?) series on DC anytime in the near future? Because I'd absolutely love that!

Posted 11 months ago

slycebu

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24o, I caught in one of the vids that you're protecting your screen names, but I'd love to hear you talk through your own play at some point in time in a 2 table Duel format. That said, this series has been great for a noob like me and put a lot of context around pr1nnyraiding that I was missing (yes, I'm slow Smile ).

I would love to see your HUD setup if you could post it. Thanks!

Posted 11 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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Let me rephrase my question, i'm sorry if it came out a bit harsh - i appreciate the hours you guys put in to make a video. Wink
But is there going to be a higher level HU (NL200+?) series on DC anytime in the near future? Because I'd absolutely love that!



As always, feel free to post in R&D forum: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/7-Research-and-Development- about the type of content that you want to see!

Posted 11 months ago

Diodor

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The AT facing a 4bet hand. 99+, AQ+ is 68 combos but we block 11 of those combos. But what's massively important at 50NL is how emotional the villains are. Counting bluff combos isn't very useful because they aren't going to bluff a range, they are bluffing when they feel like playing back. Their 4bet bluffing range is often like 40% of hands, but discounted by amounts that vary wildly depending on game flow. In this spot we've been kind of crushing villain so normally I'd be quite happy to ship all my value range and some of my bluffing range but it's close if we've never made a 3bet.

Posted 11 months ago

Diodor

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On the other hand, his 4bet comes right after a hand villain's firing three barrels into us and we give up on the river, that's also a pretty big reason to give credit to his insta-4bet.

Posted 11 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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The AT facing a 4bet hand. 99+, AQ+ is 68 combos but we block 11 of those combos. But what's massively important at 50NL is how emotional the villains are. Counting bluff combos isn't very useful because they aren't going to bluff a range, they are bluffing when they feel like playing back. Their 4bet bluffing range is often like 40% of hands, but discounted by amounts that vary wildly depending on game flow. In this spot we've been kind of crushing villain so normally I'd be quite happy to ship all my value range and some of my bluffing range but it's close if we've never made a 3bet.




Doh! You're right I forgot to include blockers, thanks! Even if they don't have a predefined range in mind they are still going to be bluffing "a range". With taking blockers into account they will need 71 bluff combos to the 57 value combos. Keeping blockers in mind this time that means something like all combos of A2-A7 both suited and offsuit hands. I agree that our opponent's demeanor matters a lot, but it's tough to tell what that is going to mean with regard to this specific hand given the history up to this point. I think that the 40% number that you used may be true for some opponents, but at 50nl there are just too many different types of opponents of varying skill levels that assuming that someone's first 4bet will be like 40% is going to be costing us money.

Hopefully I was able to demonstrate the type of assumptions needed to be able to make the decision on a jam or not. If you think that someone's 4betting 40% here then it's an easy jam but what if you estimate that they are only 4betting 20%, 15%, 10%? Being able to get a feel for that by using some math will help you from making some significant mistakes, even if you are making accurate estimates on their range/frequencies.

Posted 11 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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24o, I caught in one of the vids that you're protecting your screen names, but I'd love to hear you talk through your own play at some point in time in a 2 table Duel format. That said, this series has been great for a noob like me and put a lot of context around pr1nnyraiding that I was missing (yes, I'm slow Smile ).

I would love to see your HUD setup if you could post it. Thanks!



Here's what it looks like and here's the .xml file if you want to import it into HEM
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.xml file

As always, it's still a work in progress...

Posted 11 months ago

Diodor

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"I think that the 40% number that you used may be true for some opponents, but at 50nl there are just too many different types of opponents of varying skill levels that assuming that someone's first 4bet will be like 40% is going to be costing us money. "

Bad wording on my part. I meant 40% as in a selection of hands they could be 4bet bluffing with. But these hands are all discounted so the actual 4bet percentage would be a lot lower, close to zero in some spots.

Posted 11 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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Jniggs

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Time Link to 00:20:18

@2fouroffsuit

I'm not saying about this particular opponent but if he checks and hit the flush he will get payed most of the time with an over bet or raise,because people always bet with their flush draw on the turn as a semibluff,the check with their small hand and wants to go to show down. and if you are pointing to the opponent should bet just because of stealing the pot if you have a hand that your opponent can steal the pot on the turn with betting the river is not gonna help your hand that much so he can steal it again, plus the opponent is not gonna get check raise on the turn if we are competitive.!!
of course the opponent doesnt have this line of thoughts ( because of the way he plays ).
Im not pointing to play passively our good hand, of course me personally sometimes bet this kind of turn to make a balance, its good when you play the way that other people specify you range something totally different that your real hand.

Posted 10 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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@2fouroffsuit

I'm not saying about this particular opponent but if he checks and hit the flush he will get payed most of the time with an over bet or raise,because people always bet with their flush draw on the turn as a semibluff,the check with their small hand and wants to go to show down. and if you are pointing to the opponent should bet just because of stealing the pot if you have a hand that your opponent can steal the pot on the turn with betting the river is not gonna help your hand that much so he can steal it again, plus the opponent is not gonna get check raise on the turn if we are competitive.!!
of course the opponent doesnt have this line of thoughts ( because of the way he plays ).
Im not pointing to play passively our good hand, of course me personally sometimes bet this kind of turn to make a balance, its good when you play the way that other people specify you range something totally different that your real hand.



I am not sure that I understand what you're saying. He didn't get the option to check back the turn because he was in position and we lead out. I think that you may be confusing the positions of the hero and villain in this hand.

I don't think that it's necessarily true that if he overbets a rivered flush that he'll likely get paid. Just because his range for getting to the river doesn't have a lot of flushes, doesn't mean that the range that he overbets the river doesn't have a lot of flushes. In fact, I'd suspect that it has very few bluffs and a very large number of flushes once he overbets or raises a bet from us.

Sometimes you're right in that it's good to disguise our hand or mess with our opponent's hand reading, but we don't want to make -ev plays just to mess with someone's ability to put us on a hand.

Posted 10 months ago

Jniggs

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im asking your opinion... Lets say this scenario..
Lets say we are Freshpoker and holding J5hh, we open preflop and bet the flop ( same flop we had in the video ), then we get called, 7h will fall down which gives us flush draw opponent will check. what do you think is the best?!
Against an aggressive opponent?!
Against a TAG a normal hand reader ?!

Posted 10 months ago

2fouroffsuit

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In that situation I like betting again. We still have the gutshot to the wheel, we've just picked up even more outs with the backdoor flushdraw. We only have J-high, so it's going to be difficult to do something if we miss the river, we can't bluff catch and bluffing blank rivers will be difficult. Like I mentioned above, checking this back might disguise our hand a little bit, but when we raise on the river or overbet the river once the flush comes in, it's no longer disguised.

I think that the flop and turn are both bets vs both of those kind of players. What matters more is going to be their calling tendencies an whether to fire the 3rd barrel or not if we miss. Think about how wide of a range they get to the river with and how much of it they will fold to the 3rd barrel.

I hope that that helps answer your question. Smile

Posted 10 months ago

Jniggs

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