Episode Six
Episode Six
Oink 2-tables the Party $20/40 6max games and talks about the adjustments necessary to succeed as you surround yourself with better players, and dealing with increased aggression from TAGs and LAGs.
This Series: My Danish Luckbox
DeucesCracked coach Oink gets his own series to soul-crush, luckbox, and otherwise LAG-ify mid stakes limit hold’em. Oink will show you the differences between the “standard TAG” and the Danish “LAGTAG” assassin.
Comments for Episode Six
Best video-segment ever @8:55
Every Time I watch one of your videos, I am awe struck at how easy you make it all look.
And yet I sense you are just not all that happy with your play.
45:24..You did not like your river play.
BUT...this is a great hand, masterfully played.
And I realize thats through my eyes, as you probably look at it as "standard".
and dont be afraid to go past an hour oink,,,I doubt anyone will mind.
THANKS OINK.
Best video-segment ever @8:55
heh, just saw it again. That was a painfull moment
Every Time I watch one of your videos, I am awe struck at how easy you make it all look.
And yet I sense you are just not all that happy with your play.
45:24..You did not like your river play.
BUT...this is a great hand, masterfully played.
And I realize thats through my eyes, as you probably look at it as "standard".
and dont be afraid to go past an hour oink,,,I doubt anyone will mind.
THANKS OINK
You are welcome. I just saw some of the vid and it looks like I come away from it looking ok. I certainly run good.
Looking over the A9 hand you referred to once again I agree that its well played. I was just being results oriented
Nice vid
I think you played well the hand with A9 on AQT, you are sometimes ahead but you have a lot of cards to dodge (a quick stove a little more than 20%). There is some rio in a donk because someone raises you when you are far behind and you can be ahead of JJ or KK so it is not easy to fold. When I have Kx in this spot I NEVER get a free card, so when I have A9 they will also bet my hand for me. I would consider a donk/fold on a safe turn tough.
I like your fold with bottom pair 65 on the flop with 9 to 1 (2min40), but you didn't talk about it, do you think it is a no brainer ?
Your play in BB with A9o against a sb steal (37 min) is strange, I would raise pf but call is ok and play wa/wb give your pf, do you bet the river UI ?
The A9 hand i think is a really really easy fold on the turn, when the preflop raiser bets the turn again on that board he always has you crushed, you usually have no/very few outs against his hand, and then you have two callers in front, just muck it.
And the 108o steal from the button on the QQx flop, you shut down on the turn, i think its a must bet. Youre risking 40 to win 120, and a straight forward player like him will checkraise this flop with any piece, and at the same time will peel alot with highcards. Also the fact that you have no SD value makes me think this is a must bet.
Hey Psycho
I hope you understand but when you dont tell me the minutes where I played the hands I cant answer your comments. I'd have to go through the entire video to find them and I hope you understand the hazzle :)
But by the sound of it I agree with you on the T8 hand without remembering the specifics
A9 was at about 24-25mins into the vid, and I wanted to write what Psychobingo wrote, but I'm having second thoughts about the 'easyness' of the fold on turn. You're getting great price and you could be against KK+QJ+random unpaired undercards (loling @ that guy in vid). Unfortunately you still have two bets to pay before showdown...
-pix
Yeah sry Oink about not putting in the time of the hand, but still. Still if youre getting a good price on the turn you should be drawing dead or very close to it when a solid played bets AQ10 (dont remember what the turn was) twice into two people the best thing you can hope for is really that he has KQ given that he raised UTG, and even that`s stretching it at this point in the hand. So i think this is an easy fold that almost nobody makes, because we have top pair semi-decent kicker and nobody is beeing aggressive and the price is exellent.
I dont remember the time of the 108 hand, i just remember you bet the flop, got called and shut down on the turn and said "this guy has some sort of ace high he isnt folding", and while this was true for this hand (he actually held the nut flushdraw and only called which is poor imo), im glad to hear that you agree that this should be a bet:)
Nice series imo!
As a default it should be a bet - the T8 hand that is. I wonder if I had some read and didnt explain myself
I still couldnt find the A9 hand :(. But if I got A9 on AQTx board vs PF 3-bet and 2nd barrel into two villains I dont think I can fold turn but I am open for folding river
Think it was like 15-20 minutes into the video, and it was like UTG raise, two coldcallers and you completed from the SB. Are you really beating enough of the PFR`s range when he continues betting on the turn? I agree very often youll be ahead of the two CC`s as its not very likely they have a good hand, but i still feel like its very possible for the PFR to have us crushed here when he bets this board twice against 3 people in a loose aggressive game which inclines he has no FE. Imo theres not very many hands he should be betting here that we beat, would have to be something in the lines of pairs+gutters+flushdraws, atleast two of the three. I havent stoved it as im not much into that, but i feel strongly about this fold, and i would kinda like DeathDonkey or some of the other instructors to continue this discussion along with you:)
Finally found it
I disagree about folding turn. The ranges I would think people could have here:
UTG: He opened UTG and fired 2 barrels on that board 4-way. He certainly has a hand but not necessarily a better hand than mine. There is worse Aces but also KK, JJ, KQ. Overall I'd say his range is somewhere around TT+, A5s+, A9o+, KJ, KQ, KhTh, JhTh, maybe 66.
HJ: Not sure how many Ax he coldcalls preflop but I am fairly certain all suited broadways are in his range. Something like A5s+, AJo, ATo, A9o, KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs, KQo, KJo, QJo, JTo, QTo, K9s, J9s where almost all hands need discounting.
TAG OTB: I am 100% sure I have him beat as he would have given action with a better hand. So he prolly has some marginal hand or draw. As it turns out he had 7d6d, LOL?
I am getting 10:1 and so even tho I may be drawing dead I think its a peel. Its by no means an easy peel because UTG's range is strong when he 2nd barrels and since when I am ahead I need to dodg a ton of cards. The good news is that when UTG has something like AJ/AT then I have chopping outs. I'd say that I have somewhere around 3 outs when behind which wouldnt be enough but I wouldnt be surprised if I had the best hand as much as 10% of the time here. But I am just pulling that number out my ass as I didnt try any stoving or anything else like that.
You are getting 10:1 on turn call to draw out, but your draw isn't worth much (stoving says you'll have 25-33% equity on 9 or A river). You are only getting about 5:1 or 6:1 to showdown, since most of the time, river won't be checked around, and you can't fold river for one bet unless river brings K or J, and maybe Q. Stove says your equity is 15-23% on other rivers.
So in 10-15% river brings a K/J and you can't call. Also in ~25% river brings a heart, a queen or ten and somebody sometimes (25%?) rivers and raises and you don't have to call. And sometimes you'll fold to slowplayed nuts as it was the case in video. So total 20-30% of time you don't get to showdown, ~5% (more, but 9h sometimes isn't an out) you river a 9 and you get ~35% equity, other times you have ~20% equity.
After all is said and done, result hugely depends on our estimate of how often are we able to showdown our hand (in other words, we don't lose to slowplays and suckouts from the two players in the middle or really bad river cards). If 75%, we're 1/4 of a bet in green, if 70%, we're 1/10th of a bet in red.
One option would be to only call on rainbow turns to remove all chance of losing to a flush in this already tight spot. It also seems to me that if the pot was 3-way to flop and turn, you couldn't really call as it would be too small and 4th player isn't much of a factor in equity calculations.
-pix
ps. one should read the above as a curious exercise in approximation, not as definite result
Best video of the series so far, tons of tough spots. I'd like to draw attention to the hand where you open J9o (no heart) in the cutoff and you get threebet by CeoFin on the button. Flop comes down jack high, all hearts, giving you top pair and you indicate the intention to check-call and donk a non-heart turn.
Assuming that CeoFin is a good player capable of hand reading, doesn't your hand look like top or middle pair here almost always? Your hand does seem almost face up as something that did not want to check-raise the flop in case a heart came on the turn (i.e. one pair, no heart, since your equity improves against his range on a non-heart turn). So, c/c-b seems like one pair, no heart and I think this allows a strong opponent to play perfectly against your range unless you're also doing this creatively with some other hands (while holding the Ah, maybe?!).
Hmm yeah good point
I must admit I havent thought of which hands to balance of this play with. Altho I'd bet/3-bet turned two pair and sets but i doubt thats enough to balance.
Despite the fact my hand looks like what it is I believe I still egt people to make dumb raises in that spot when I donk. But yes I agree that against strong opposition I need to balance it
you said at 31:30 you're no good at heads up. I'm really surprised by that. Your style seems to suit heads up really well actually.
Why don't you play heads up oink?
