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Ghost: DeathDonkey (#3) - Triple Draw Limit and Badugi

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Ghost: DeathDonkey (#3) - Triple Draw Limit and Badugi by DeathDonkey

Ghost DeathDonkey as he plays heads up and shorthanded triple draw and some bonus badugi coverage. He discusses some heads up concepts and dealing with the aggressive mid stakes heads up players.

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  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 58 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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jrw5001

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Time Link to 00:05:32

Here you say that when Villain made a T8 on the left that you would've preferred for him to call and draw 1 if you pat and pat if you drew 1. Do you think this makes his hand pretty face up as a T or J when you draw and are you ever playing stronger hands in this way as Villain?

Posted about 2 years ago

OnTheCome

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Excellent video. It was really helpful to see how you broke down your opponents style of play/hand ranges and how you dynamically adjusted. Do you think the Stars TD games are getting to reg infested? If you weren't making a video would you played in the $30-$60 game with that line up?

Posted about 2 years ago

jjd323

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Time Link to 00:16:05

Having seen three 9s you should probably keep your 9 now - he isn't pat yet and you should be happy to raise & pat any 9 going into the last draw after you both draw 2 on the turn, especially with position. If he draws 1 on the turn he will be auto-betting into your draw 2; if you catch one good card you can call and draw one card at a 9 profitably too.

Posted about 2 years ago

SIide

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Time Link to 00:04:21

Given 2nd did go 2:2 and the pot is somewhat big given the situation (the flop went Bet/Call, rather than Check/Check) are there any 2 card draws you would continue with here in position? What about weak 1 card draws such as 9s & Ts?

Posted about 2 years ago

SIide

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Time Link to 00:06:00

On the left, you value Bet a rougher 86 against an opponent who broke and is now likely drawing at a better hand. Could elaborate on why this is a value bet and would you make the same play if the table was 4 handed btn vs BB rather than HU?

Posted about 2 years ago

fnupple

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Triple Draw. Badugi. Heads Up. 3handed. Zzeigler. Shaun fucking Deeb. Good times Smile

Posted about 2 years ago

SIide

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Time Link to 00:24:53

Once your opponent draws 2 and you have T8754 on 2nd, would you ever consider just patting 2nd & 3rd and taking a free showdown against a player type like this who is not going to be taking a lot of shots at you because you drew 3 on 1st? Does it change if you drew 1 from 8754x on 1st and caught the T?

Posted about 2 years ago

SIide

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Time Link to 00:46:47

You decided not to value bet the dealt Pat smooth Q badugi on the river. What is the worst dealt badugi you would value bet here? Are you ever snowing enough predraw that it might advisable to value bet most of your dealt badugis in this situation? Would you value bet this hand if the positions were reversed and you raise/patted on the button.

Posted about 2 years ago

dayoldhater

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Not able to time-stamp for some reason.

10:13:

You defend 84xxx to a sb open, would you defend this to a btn open w/ sb folding?

Posted about 2 years ago

dayoldhater

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Not able to time-stamp for some reason.

10:13:

You defend 84xxx to a sb open, would you defend this to a btn open w/ sb folding?



NM got my answer later in the vid.

Posted about 2 years ago

neekola

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DeathDonkey,
Very nice and interesting video.
I think you made a great job of explaining things clearly even though a lot was sometimes going on because of the two short handed tables.
We definitely need more TD and Badugi videos. I understand you need to do LHE vids too but we don't necessarily need a series. One vid of TD and one vid of Badugi per month would be great. This might actually be the right timing to do so since i think those games have been growing a bit recently, maybe because of the 8 game, sunday tournaments, etc.
Thanks.
neekola

Posted about 2 years ago

SIide

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DeathDonkey,
We definitely need more TD and Badugi videos. I understand you need to do LHE vids too but we don't necessarily need a series. One vid of TD and one vid of Badugi per month would be great. This might actually be the right timing to do so since i think those games have been growing a bit recently, maybe because of the 8 game, sunday tournaments, etc.
Thanks.
neekola



100% agree. Even simple ghost videos like this I find extremely helpful/instructive.

Posted about 2 years ago

dayoldhater

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DeathDonkey,
Very nice and interesting video.
I think you made a great job of explaining things clearly even though a lot was sometimes going on because of the two short handed tables.
We definitely need more TD and Badugi videos. I understand you need to do LHE vids too but we don't necessarily need a series. One vid of TD and one vid of Badugi per month would be great. This might actually be the right timing to do so since i think those games have been growing a bit recently, maybe because of the 8 game, sunday tournaments, etc.
Thanks.
neekola



Groth911t vids!!

Posted about 2 years ago

jjd323

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Not able to time-stamp for some reason.

10:13:

You defend 84xxx to a sb open, would you defend this to a btn open w/ sb folding?



I'm going to guess this is a super-clear fold because we would be OOP w/ a shitty 3-card draw. It would probably be close to a fold even if he was opening A5C.

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Here you say that when Villain made a T8 on the left that you would've preferred for him to call and draw 1 if you pat and pat if you drew 1. Do you think this makes his hand pretty face up as a T or J when you draw and are you ever playing stronger hands in this way as Villain?



Yes, it does turn his hand somewhat faceup but I think that's the best of a bunch of mediocre options with that hand. I mean it seems too weak to be going for the value raise 100% of the time, it seems too strong to break if I draw 1 OOP, it just is what it is.

Remember, turning your hand face up is ok if the pot is sufficiently large enough that the reverse implied odds you subject yourself to after you turn your hand face up are just small relative to making sure you don't make an equity blunder (that costs you a bunch in a largish pot).

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Excellent video. It was really helpful to see how you broke down your opponents style of play/hand ranges and how you dynamically adjusted. Do you think the Stars TD games are getting to reg infested? If you weren't making a video would you played in the $30-$60 game with that line up?



I think the games aren't the free money they once were, that's only natural. I would say the 30/60 game in discussion would just depend on my mood, sometimes I am happy to just be playing (poker is fun after all), other times I'd prefer to make sure I have a large edge.

I will say this, and its got a lot of ego involved but whatever - there is no one I think has a large enough edge over me that I wouldn't give them some action at 30/60 given my current skill level and bankroll. That doesn't mean I'd play them at 100/200 though.

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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On the left, you value Bet a rougher 86 against an opponent who broke and is now likely drawing at a better hand. Could elaborate on why this is a value bet and would you make the same play if the table was 4 handed btn vs BB rather than HU?



Well, I have seen plenty of times that people make a frustrated river call, either because they make a good enough hand to feel they can beat a weak value bet every now and then, or more likely they just hope to catch a snow / see a big pot. Also, when they draw to a 7, they catch the 87 and pay off with it a high amount of the time, so that's the most likely hand I hope to get called by.

I think the huhu dynamic makes it slightly easier to get called yes, because people are just naturally more suspicious and tilty heads up, whereas in ring games some players are disciplined and say once they break a 9 or whatever they don't just auto pay off on the river because they caught another 9. They just respect my turn play that much more in a ring game.

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Once your opponent draws 2 and you have T8754 on 2nd, would you ever consider just patting 2nd & 3rd and taking a free showdown against a player type like this who is not going to be taking a lot of shots at you because you drew 3 on 1st? Does it change if you drew 1 from 8754x on 1st and caught the T?



Yeah, I think that would have been the best play in retrospect. I like that play.

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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You decided not to value bet the dealt Pat smooth Q badugi on the river. What is the worst dealt badugi you would value bet here? Are you ever snowing enough predraw that it might advisable to value bet most of your dealt badugis in this situation? Would you value bet this hand if the positions were reversed and you raise/patted on the button.



I think this is a spot I don't have exactly figured out in badugi honestly. Soepgranate (vingtcent on stars) and I talk about badugi some and I think he value bets more widely there, and he very well maybe right to do so. I would definitely be betting tens or better, and jacks probably should be bet, its really just a question of looking at the frequency of dealt badugi's of each rank and then making sure you aren't snowing in that spot too often.

If the positions were reversed it would become read dependent for me, there are a few guys who would always donk out with made badugi's there, and other guys would always go for the CR.

Posted about 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I'm going to guess this is a super-clear fold because we would be OOP w/ a shitty 3-card draw. It would probably be close to a fold even if he was opening A5C.



Yeah I agree with this unless the guy plays very poorly postdraw.

Posted about 2 years ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:01:03

is defending here stil up to date in a 3 handed or HU game? if you didn't have a pair of 3s you would just fold?

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:01:44

what about 864 and 865? on the button or on the sb?

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:02:02

could you write some thoughts down why you think limping the sb w/ your 3cds is better than raising? you get a pretty good price on your steal...
I guess it depends on the loseness of your opponent. what is the worst hand you would be completing then?

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:07:47

so patting earlier on is generally better in HU games? or more correct?

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:12:00

if you were IP and the PFR would you be more inclined to draw 1 to a nine or a deuce and snow if you dont hit it or would you more often than not draw 2 to the 754 like you did this time?

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:15:49

what do you think about 3betting 2cds from the bb? seems like a lot of players do this in HU games.

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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777group

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Time Link to 00:34:42

824 that much better than 834 (84) or do you mean you would call 824 (24)

Posted over 1 year ago

DeathDonkey

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is defending here stil up to date in a 3 handed or HU game? if you didn't have a pair of 3s you would just fold?



Sure I'd still defend this, pair or no pair

Posted over 1 year ago

DeathDonkey

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what about 864 and 865? on the button or on the sb?



Not sure I totally understand the question but I'd defend BB with all those and open them on the button

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Sure I'd still defend this, pair or no pair



do you think that 43 is better than 83, 73 or 75? because it seems like you are very inconsistent about your defending range. or you just value these type of hands differently.

Posted over 1 year ago

DeathDonkey

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do you think that 43 is better than 83, 73 or 75? because it seems like you are very inconsistent about your defending range. or you just value these type of hands differently.



I think its better than 83 and similar to the other two. Honestly I probably am inconsistent in these spots, as they are all super marginal and a lot of it depends on 1) quality of my opponent, 2) quality of my opponent's play THAT day, possibly even related to how I am running against him that day (he'd make more mistakes against me if I am crushing him I believe), 3) boredom

Posted over 1 year ago



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