Poker Video: MTT/SNG by Skitz0Frenik (Mid Stakes)

Nice video, good to see some STT content. You should consider having a few tournaments running off screen (if you the room) that you could bring in if you bust early.

Nice video, good to see some STT content. You should consider having a few tournaments running off screen (if you the room) that you could bring in if you bust early.

Thanks for the tip Gaz, I'll definitely do that in the future!

Hey, thanks for making the vids, I would love to see a 45man turbo from stars video, since they are soft games and would like to know (if you play MTTSNGs regularly as well as STTSNGs) what the main differences between and MTT and a STT is while you are commenting.

Downside is that it might take longer to do 4 tables though.

Nice vid though, again

An entertaining video.

I'm interested that you use sharkscope. I thought that Full Tilt and Poker Stars weren't so keen on people using these data-mining sites - so I stopped using them. I used to get data for players from www.pokerprolabs.com and found it useful to classify players into groups like "occasional big win - otherwise losing" "straight line losing several tsd dollar" "straight line winning" "regular player going nowhere". What are the statistics that you post into your notes?

hi there, nice vid and overall concepts, there are a lot of stt'ers over here , pretty sure they are gonna be happy with this one.

just wanted to say hi add a +1 on the 45man suggestion, hope thats ok.(make us happy too! =D)

have phun.
kz.

Some good stuff.

Couple suggestions.

Talk about who you are. Where and what you are playing. Hud setup. Everyone wants to know about the new guy.

Once you get down to one table, might as well make it as large as possible to fill the screen.


One questions.

16:04 Table 2. what is the low end of your range that you put a raise on the SB who open completes? What if it was the 33/5 instead?




I am sure you made this video before they put up this rule, but for everyone else's info

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That's why I will bum hunt the ghetto till they bulldoze it down.

I am sure you made this video before they put up this rule, but for everyone else's info

Is this a level?

I haven't watched this vid yet, but I understand the ToS portion quoted by smrz to be a very standard prohibition on data-mining. AFAIK you may compile all the data you want as long as it's your hands and not someone else's that you're compiling.

This language also appears to be boilerplate. Searching Google for [EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS] yielded the follow two pages as the top hits:

Mytopia license agreement -- some games site with "casino" games, no idea if it's real poker for money

Full Tilt EULA -- this was well before they changed their software to make data-mining impractical!

Was not meant as a level in anyway. Sorry if it came across that way.

But it actually has been against the TOS for a bit on PS.

There have been quite a few people getting letters from PS about using sharkscope. There was allot of concern earlier this year about how much access the PS software had to your PC since they were busting people for it.

Probably would have been better if I posted the detail in the first place.
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There are some tools and services which have legitimate uses for analysing your game, but which are not appropriate for use during play. For example, ICM (Independent Chip Model) and Nash Equilibrium tools may be used for post-game analysis and for studying hands which you have previously played. Also, there are some web-based results databases, and its fine to use these to look at your own results. However, you may not use such a tool while the PokerStars software is open.

Some examples of tools and services which are prohibited only while PokerStars is running are:

14. SharkScope (including SharkScope HUD)

Great vid. What's the highest STT you play now and are you planning on producing some vids at that level?

I would love to see a mini-series of videos starting from the $6.50s to your highest BI now. In addition to game concepts for each level you should include some bankroll management tips to for each level as well. (Min BR for each lvl etc.)

Enjoyed the video. Look forward to the next one.

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If the blind is going to hit you on t200 then you can definitely shove wider than KQo. ICM won't like it but future game implications/preserving FE is pretty important there imo so unless the table has a bunch of maniacs we can likely go wider. Definitely close because of your stack though, and especially so if we had a few more hands at this blind level.

Nice video.

I like it man. You learned me to adjust raisesizes at the cu/btn/sb. With reading stats.
If hes agressive>raise smaller or limp. And raising smaller with possible shortstack defend. And not be less potcomitted then.


Great video, looking forward to the next 1

Hey, thanks for making the vids, I would love to see a 45man turbo from stars video, since they are soft games and would like to know (if you play MTTSNGs regularly as well as STTSNGs) what the main differences between and MTT and a STT is while you are commenting.

Downside is that it might take longer to do 4 tables though.

Nice vid though, again

I do regularly play MTT SNGs, and will make sure to do some videos!

An entertaining video.

I'm interested that you use sharkscope. I thought that Full Tilt and Poker Stars weren't so keen on people using these data-mining sites - so I stopped using them. I used to get data for players from www.pokerprolabs.com and found it useful to classify players into groups like "occasional big win - otherwise losing" "straight line losing several tsd dollar" "straight line winning" "regular player going nowhere". What are the statistics that you post into your notes?

To be honest, I thought Stars did away with their attempt to ban the use of Sharkscope. I will talk to Stars support and find out exactly what I'm allowed to do within/outside of videos, and make sure to adhere to their rules.

As far as your question goes, I would simply copy/paste their results into their note space if they had a decent sample and I've seen them frequently. If the player was a loser, I'd just tag them with "fish", and if they were a huge loser I'd tag them with "FISH". Pretty simplistic but seems worthwhile for me to have that info either way.

hi there, nice vid and overall concepts, there are a lot of stt'ers over here , pretty sure they are gonna be happy with this one.

just wanted to say hi add a +1 on the 45man suggestion, hope thats ok.(make us happy too! =D)

have phun.
kz.

45man suggestion noted

Some good stuff.

Couple suggestions.

Talk about who you are. Where and what you are playing. Hud setup. Everyone wants to know about the new guy.

Once you get down to one table, might as well make it as large as possible to fill the screen.


One questions.

16:04 Table 2. what is the low end of your range that you put a raise on the SB who open completes? What if it was the 33/5 instead?




I am sure you made this video before they put up this rule, but for everyone else's info

5.5. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars prohibits those External Player Assistance Programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines "External" to mean computer software (other than the Software), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services). PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as any instance in which a User accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play. We encourage you to read our Prohibited Online Software FAQ.

5.7. You agree that PokerStars may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with the PokerStars Software on the User's computer.


That's why I will bum hunt the ghetto till they bulldoze it down.

Thanks for the helpful tips - I'll make sure to expand on that stuff in my second video. I'll also maximize the last table so it's easier to see.

As for the Q4d hand in the bb, my raising range is generally pretty tight because of how shallow the stacks are. What I don't want is him flatting because our options postflop are really limited despite us having position.

Vs. a 5/5 type player like that though, I'm fine with making it 250 here because those players are almost never flatting and are very rarely trapping. In fact, depending on how often the particular player likes to limp, I'll sometimes do that with any two.

Vs. a 33/5 type player I'm raising a very tight range because as I said before, we don't have deep enough stacks to take advantage postflop. 33/5's obviously will limp/call most raises and that can get us in some unnecessary tricky spots.

Not sure if that totally answers your question but basically I don't have a defined raising range there because I think it just depends on the exact situation.

Was not meant as a level in anyway. Sorry if it came across that way.

But it actually has been against the TOS for a bit on PS.

There have been quite a few people getting letters from PS about using sharkscope. There was allot of concern earlier this year about how much access the PS software had to your PC since they were busting people for it.

Probably would have been better if I posted the detail in the first place.
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There are some tools and services which have legitimate uses for analysing your game, but which are not appropriate for use during play. For example, ICM (Independent Chip Model) and Nash Equilibrium tools may be used for post-game analysis and for studying hands which you have previously played. Also, there are some web-based results databases, and its fine to use these to look at your own results. However, you may not use such a tool while the PokerStars software is open.

Some examples of tools and services which are prohibited only while PokerStars is running are:

14. SharkScope (including SharkScope HUD)

I'm going to send a specific email to Stars and get as much info as possible on the subject.

Great vid. What's the highest STT you play now and are you planning on producing some vids at that level?

I would love to see a mini-series of videos starting from the $6.50s to your highest BI now. In addition to game concepts for each level you should include some bankroll management tips to for each level as well. (Min BR for each lvl etc.)

Enjoyed the video. Look forward to the next one.

Thanks. The highest STT I play now is generally the $119 but I do occasionally run $225s and $335s if the tables are reasonably soft. Yes, I will do videos at these levels, although may have to do hand history replayer videos for those since it's difficult to get more than a couple decent ones running at the same time.

I think your idea for a miniseries is a very good one, thank you.

If the blind is going to hit you on t200 then you can definitely shove wider than KQo. ICM won't like it but future game implications/preserving FE is pretty important there imo so unless the table has a bunch of maniacs we can likely go wider. Definitely close because of your stack though, and especially so if we had a few more hands at this blind level.

Nice video.

Yeah good point, I agree, and I'll be shoving stuff like JTs there and any pair because 1) blinds about to go up and 2) blinds about to hit me. One reason I think it's a little closer than it looks is that in the $16s and below we will see lots of mistakes in future hands from opponents, and could often get a better spot within the next couple hands.

I like it man. You learned me to adjust raisesizes at the cu/btn/sb. With reading stats.
If hes agressive>raise smaller or limp. And raising smaller with possible shortstack defend. And not be less potcomitted then.


Great video, looking forward to the next 1

Glad you found the video helpful!

hey, Skitz0frenik thanks for making SNG vids, was nice change to watch one of these and not cash games like always.

i have a couple questions about SNG's to u:

1. what u think is most profitable form of SNG's, i mean 9 men, 18 men etc. ?

2. if i would like to play these 9 men SNG's how much time i have to spend working with those ICM programs to get decent in these?

3. what do u think is good roi in these $6.50 and $16 9 men SNG's?

4. how many tables u usually play at once?

5. are u on 2+2?

Thanks!

hey, Skitz0frenik thanks for making SNG vids, was nice change to watch one of these and not cash games like always.

i have a couple questions about SNG's to u:

1. what u think is most profitable form of SNG's, i mean 9 men, 18 men etc. ?

2. if i would like to play these 9 men SNG's how much time i have to spend working with those ICM programs to get decent in these?

3. what do u think is good roi in these $6.50 and $16 9 men SNG's?

4. how many tables u usually play at once?

5. are u on 2+2?

Thanks!

1. Depends on how many you can play well at once. Overall though, would go with 45mans and 180mans due to there being more fish.

2. I never worked a ton with the ICM programs, and don't think you have to tirelessly, AS LONG AS you understand the logic behind the math. In other words, you don't need to memorize the EV or perfect ranges of spots if you understand things on a logical, practical, repeatable level.

3. Haven't played these stakes in a while but would guess around 12-15%.

4. Usually do sessions of 12-20 tables.

5. Yes, screen name there is Skitz0Frenik as well.

3. Haven't played these stakes in a while but would guess around 12-15%.

I believe sippin_criss has the best ROI of anyone who have ground tens of thousands of these ($16s) and even he does have only 11%. I actually believe that that's quite close to the maximum attainable edge in these right now. Even though players are worse in $6.50, I wouldn't believe that attainable edge would be a lot higher in these, because they're raked harder.

As for the Q4d hand in the bb, my raising range is generally pretty tight because of how shallow the stacks are. What I don't want is him flatting because our options postflop are really limited despite us having position.

Vs. a 5/5 type player like that though, I'm fine with making it 250 here because those players are almost never flatting and are very rarely trapping. In fact, depending on how often the particular player likes to limp, I'll sometimes do that with any two.

Vs. a 33/5 type player I'm raising a very tight range because as I said before, we don't have deep enough stacks to take advantage postflop. 33/5's obviously will limp/call most raises and that can get us in some unnecessary tricky spots.

Thanks. This is very useful info.

I have been looking at backwards.

I would think that the 5/5 is so tight that he has to have some type of decent hand to limp or trap.

The 34/5 would be limping with random garbage that I may be ahead of or able to outplay him post-flop in position.

I believe sippin_criss has the best ROI of anyone who have ground tens of thousands of these ($16s) and even he does have only 11%. I actually believe that that's quite close to the maximum attainable edge in these right now. Even though players are worse in $6.50, I wouldn't believe that attainable edge would be a lot higher in these, because they're raked harder.

Interesting, I guess the $16s have gotten harder than I thought if that's the case.

Thanks. This is very useful info.

I have been looking at backwards.

I would think that the 5/5 is so tight that he has to have some type of decent hand to limp or trap.

The 34/5 would be limping with random garbage that I may be ahead of or able to outplay him post-flop in position.

You're not necessarily wrong in your thought process because the 5/5 is limping with decent hands. They limp lots of small or mid pairs, suited aces, and decent suited connectors they want to see flops with. The difference is they usually won't play these OOP postflop facing a raise, especially if stacks are shallow.

You are right that the 34/5 s limping garbage you are ahead of. However, your positional advantage is often negated by the fact that those players won't fold to your raise most of the time, and that stacks are too short to maneuver much postflop. In other words, your raise and cbet commit too much of your stack considering they won't be effective enough if you don't have a sizeable stack.

Hope that helps.

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noticed that when you look up the multi tablers you come up with certain stats...what stats are these and where do find em...also how did they appear so quickly in the note box...very good series opener i enjoyed it alot was over b4 i realized it.

noticed that when you look up the multi tablers you come up with certain stats...what stats are these and where do find em...also how did they appear so quickly in the note box...very good series opener i enjoyed it alot was over b4 i realized it.

These stats are from Sharkscope, although I asked Stars if this was permitted and they asked that I not use Sharkscope while playing. They did say it was fine to use when Pokerstars was not running however. For those stats though, I just copy/pasted the players' names into the search on Sharkscope, and copy/pasted their overall result line if the sample was decent enough. Technically I won't be allowed to do this in future videos.

Glad you enjoyed the first video and I'm looking forward to continually improving them as I go along.

I would love to see some 45's-180's content at the 6-12$ level

How do you organise your colors on opponents ? Blue: reg ? ....

I would love to see some 45's-180's content at the 6-12$ level

How do you organise your colors on opponents ? Blue: reg ? ....

Will keep that suggestion in mind.

Dark blue = decent
Green = fish
Light blue = breakeven/slightly profitable
Red = strong
Yellow = disabled stats or something miscellaneous

I only put notes on players I see often.

Nice Vid

In this session you played turbo STT. Do you ever play the normal STT and if not why?

Thanks

In your future videos, can you limit vertical resolution to 1080? By having it over 1080, it's restricting playback on devices that will only try to play FullHD videos at maximum.

I like this as a very good first video for DC. Solid content and good thought process. In some points I would have liked for you to explain the situation further. For example, near the end you said multiple times that carpethead40 is shoving too wide for the situation and is making mistakes there, but not exactly on why that is (because there were one or two very short stacks on the table). I'd say that it was very good that you commented other player's game on the tables as well and why you thought they made mistakes during the game.

For suggestions, I would like to see you make a video from the normal stakes you play and hear some explanations on the spots you get more edge compared to the situations you pass on 16s. I would think it would be useful to us to see how you really work and approach situations that matter to you, instead of just saying "If this is what I would grind, I would write a note about this". There's some entertainment value as well to see games from higher up. As a shorthanded SNG Grinder, I would also like to see more shorthanded SNG content, if you're playing those as well.

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Calling with A8o here will be -EV even if he would be shoving any two cards. So it doesn't even matter if we would know he's shoving wide here, when we can't call it profitably no matter what.

Nice Vid

In this session you played turbo STT. Do you ever play the normal STT and if not why?

Thanks

I generally play turbos because I can get in a lot more in an hour (higher hourly rate). However, I do also play the normal-speed STTs because they are softer so that makes up for part of the loss of the hourly. I'd estimate I play 90% turbos and 10% normals at this point.

In your future videos, can you limit vertical resolution to 1080? By having it over 1080, it's restricting playback on devices that will only try to play FullHD videos at maximum.

Sure, will keep that in mind for the next one.

I like this as a very good first video for DC. Solid content and good thought process. In some points I would have liked for you to explain the situation further. For example, near the end you said multiple times that carpethead40 is shoving too wide for the situation and is making mistakes there, but not exactly on why that is (because there were one or two very short stacks on the table). I'd say that it was very good that you commented other player's game on the tables as well and why you thought they made mistakes during the game.

For suggestions, I would like to see you make a video from the normal stakes you play and hear some explanations on the spots you get more edge compared to the situations you pass on 16s. I would think it would be useful to us to see how you really work and approach situations that matter to you, instead of just saying "If this is what I would grind, I would write a note about this". There's some entertainment value as well to see games from higher up. As a shorthanded SNG Grinder, I would also like to see more shorthanded SNG content, if you're playing those as well.

Thanks for the good suggestions. I will do my best to explain things fully, and I think I'll have an easier time explicating my thoughts in buy-ins I frequent more. I do also play 6-max SNGs so I'll be doing those as well.

Great video. I don't think this question has been answered, but if it has, I apologize. What kind of HUD are you using? Is it the one from Sharkscope?

Great video. I don't think this question has been answered, but if it has, I apologize. What kind of HUD are you using? Is it the one from Sharkscope?

The HUD is from HEM

hey was just curious if you on anyone else will be doing some videos on FR Ultra turbo SNg's. @ min blinds like the ones on UB... Thanks

Beermoney021

2 min blinds. sorry..

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Hello,
Great video, sorry I'm a bit late to the party. I had a question about deciding whether to shove all in vs a stop and go with the AKs. What were the factors that made you play it that way?

hey was just curious if you on anyone else will be doing some videos on FR Ultra turbo SNg's. @ min blinds like the ones on UB... Thanks

Beermoney021

I haven't played ultra turbos but I can give them a shot, get a decent sample, and make some in the future - might take me a while though!

Hello,
Great video, sorry I'm a bit late to the party. I had a question about deciding whether to shove all in vs a stop and go with the AKs. What were the factors that made you play it that way?

If I am close to 10 bbs I'll just shove it pre, but I had 2000 as opposed to 1500. Since the player seemed really fishy, I figured I'd get more value making it 600 instead of just shoving. I wanted to get as much money in the pot as possible with presumably the best hand, and fish will often call for 600 pre whereas they may fold for a full 2000. Hope that helps!

If I am close to 10 bbs I'll just shove it pre, but I had 2000 as opposed to 1500. Since the player seemed really fishy, I figured I'd get more value making it 600 instead of just shoving. I wanted to get as much money in the pot as possible with presumably the best hand, and fish will often call for 600 pre whereas they may fold for a full 2000. Hope that helps!

Makes perfect sense. He might even shove, which we can easily call at that point? Thanks for the reply. Really like your style of video making. Please keep it up.

Makes perfect sense. He might even shove, which we can easily call at that point? Thanks for the reply. Really like your style of video making. Please keep it up.

Yes, we'd happily call

What do the HUD numbers mean? im assuming its hands played/folded or something..? and do u have to pay for these apps? Thanx in advance

What do the HUD numbers mean? im assuming its hands played/folded or something..? and do u have to pay for these apps? Thanx in advance

The HUD numbers just tell me how active the players are. The first number is VPIP (money put into the pot), and the second number is preflop raise %. I don't even look at the other numbers to be honest (the last one is how many hands I have on the player, which is important).

So the first number tells us how tight or loose the player is (a player with a VPIP of like 8 is extremely tight, a player with a VPIP of 20+ is really loose).

The second number tells us how often the player raises (10-16 is reasonable, whereas like 25 would be a ton).

They just help me figure out really fast if the opponent is playing a lot of hands or not, which makes our decisions easier.

The program I use is Hold'em Manager, and is not free (I believe it costs $80 or so).

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Have you made these videos yet? I'm really keen to learn this

Have you made these videos yet? I'm really keen to learn this

What videos are you referring to?

What videos are you referring to?

The video's relating to using HUD stats to assess pushing and calling ranges. I have an idea as to what I'm doing, but I would like some more insight to see if I'm thinking along the right lines (judging from your comments in this vid, I think I am).

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When you shove with KQ and you get called by 66 what would be the range if you were the guy that called with 66?

The video's relating to using HUD stats to assess pushing and calling ranges. I have an idea as to what I'm doing, but I would like some more insight to see if I'm thinking along the right lines (judging from your comments in this vid, I think I am).

Thanks for clarifying - I'll be sure to talk about how to implement the HUD stats in future videos.

When you shove with KQ and you get called by 66 what would be the range if you were the guy that called with 66?

He should be calling with about 99+, AJ+ there.