considerator
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Hey guys I am the one who played these hands. Pretty stoked my hand submission made it to a video! I didn't spot the thread until after the video was done but will make some post facto comments.
Hand 1. Yeah I'm thinking I still like the flop flat call. BB donker likely has a pair and we are not an equity favorite against him heads up so we don't really want to push the player behind us out by raising.
Hand 2. Yeah I see why the 3-bet on the flop is a mistake. I was probably thinking I can jam the flop with 2nd nut flush draw but I have to realize the SB is often not calling 2 cold. And like DD said I need to think of this more of a second pair hand and less as a FD. The BB C/Raiser's range is probably heavy to TP or better and we may be behind him equity wise but we're probably doing ok 3way, so we don't mind flat calling the c/r and letting the SB come along.
Hand 3. OK in my HEM Replayer I'm showing the MP behind me as 60/7 so I'm thinking that heavily influenced my decision to limp 67s UTG here. The CO is 37/18, button 30/5, SB 38/10, BB 38/11, so no one is too raise happy. 67s isn't a standard limp for me UTG so I wonder if given those stat reads if this is ok. Rest of it I think DD covered well.
Hand 4. So apparently completing the SB with KJs against an UTG limper is pretty gross. The reasons DD said why this is bad made sense so that's probably just a leak I need to fix. I will remember DDs mantra, raise any 2 suited broadway from any position. And the rest of the hand is pretty gross. One of those hands where I felt lost and like there must be a better way to play it, so good to get some feedback. Looking back I think I like a flop c/r or c/c, leading the flop isn't good. 3-barreling the river may be worse. Meh.
Hand 6. I think I see why raising this PF is much better. It's basically like you need a pretty compelling story to overlimp, iso-raising should be the default, since it puts you in such a better situation. One of the AHA moments of this video, though, was that this river is a snap call. I think like DD said I was just thinking in terms of how could I call the river on a KQxxx board with J high and not thinking about my opponents flop peeling range. That may be a level or two up from where I am right now but hopefully I'll get there. 
Hand 7. I may have missed the fact that UTG had posted and checked due to 6-8 tabling but like the previous hand I should be raising this if I'm playing it either way. Much better to play the fish by ourselves with position and initiative in a bigger pot.
Hand 8. The attempt to C/R my made flush on the river is probably sloppy. I guess I put him on a passively played A that would bet if checked to, but given how passive he's been so far, he may not even bet an ace, and that is a much smaller part of his range than I probably thought at the time. So I see how leading the river is much better here.
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h0tR3volv3r
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simpleasspie
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In the 7th hand @ 50min, i agree with you reasoning but id bet the flop anyway, the reasons are:
-he could have some broadway hands vs. which its a valuebet
-if hes playing with pocket pairs this way his likely action is gonna be to x/c the flop and check the turn also which allows us to take a free card on the turn, otherwise we would pay 2sb for that and be putting money with worse equity rather than on the flop (1sb and 35% equity)
So, id also think his checking range here consists of lotta medium pairs and maybe some broadways and i think hes gonna bet them on the turn anyway if we check behind the flop, if you think bout it this way then betting the flop makes more sense than checking, since youre gonna call the turn bet anyway.
In hand #9 @ 59min What hands do you expect him to fold on the river he peels the turn with? Id think there aint many, it only makes sense for him to fold some unpaired 4x and 6x that dont have showdown value, if he was on the button then he could have like Q6s, so i dont see any better hands folding besides some hearts. I mean, ace and king high are not folding. Or you expect him to peel more lightly (than i think) and have
some overcards in his range?
You said youre going to talk bout some more flushdraw hands in the next
episode, have i got it correctly? Are you planning to talk about hands
from that same theme on the forum or ... ?
Thank you, twas a nice video as always 
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DeathDonkey
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DeathDonkey
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In hand 9 I definitely think there are overcards in his range. This is 50c/1, we saw plenty of hands in this sample where villains played very loose passive and poorly, they will chase to the river with ace high here and possibly fold it thinking they "missed". It's that absolute hand value vs relative hand value thing I go on a rant about when I talk about the jack high snap call 
In the 7th hand I think its a bit of a complex EV calculation, the times we get in 1 sb on the flop with X% equity vs his range, then we hit our flush on the turn and get 2 BB in, vs the times we check behind on turn and hit or miss on river with some % chance. That's compared to my suggestion of check behind flop (0 EV) and call a turn bet on a blank or get in a raise when we hit sometimes. I think that getting in a turn raise part is fairly useful btw.
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PygmyHero
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In the 7th hand I think its a bit of a complex EV calculation, the times we get in 1 sb on the flop with X% equity vs his range, then we hit our flush on the turn and get 2 BB in, vs the times we check behind on turn and hit or miss on river with some % chance. That's compared to my suggestion of check behind flop (0 EV) and call a turn bet on a blank or get in a raise when we hit sometimes. I think that getting in a turn raise part is fairly useful btw.
Also we need to account for the fact that we're going to get screwplayed on the flop some of the time.
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