Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

Hi Joe, I know this video's old so you may not remember (sorry for being guy who keeps bumping old random threads), but I had a quick question for you.

Early in the video you mention a DC thread on continuation betting.

Is this it?

I'm pretty sure it is as the thread for this video in the Archives Forum dates it's original release as 8.10.07 and the thread I link originated on 8.8.07. Anyway, just hoping you can let me know as I always enjoy having some supplemental reading material.

Thanks!

You are lucky I have a phenomenal memory as you bump these old vids! (it's a stud-player thing, heh). Yes, that's it.

Awesome. Thanks. And I'm definitely lucky for a lot of reasons. DC and otherwise. I'm actually amazed you even see my posts, especially since the Video forum tends to be very active.

Speaking of memory, out of curiosity, can you do that card trick Chris Ferguson did in the WSOP a few years ago without counting?

By 'that one' I mean: your assistant draws a card. You then flip the remaining cards in the deck up one by one. After seeing the other 51 cards you tell them the card they are holding. General amazement ensues.

By counting I mean: one way to do this trick is to assign a value to each individual card, 1-52. Sum up the card values as you see them and then subtract them from the value of a total deck (which in this case is 1378). The result is the value of the card your assistant is holding. Ah! 37? That's the Jack of Diamonds!

There are other ways to do it. For example you could assign values to each suit (say 0-3 or 1-4) and a value to each card (0-12 or 1-13). You then maintain the two separate counts in your head as you go along and derive the missing card value as above.

There are a few other tricks that can simplify it: you can use the modulo function rather than just summing it all up. You can drop off certain digits at certain times to simpify the count, etc. It all works the same.

Anwyay, I'm wondering if you can do the trick without any of those methods - e.g. relying strictly on your short term memory.

Awesome. Thanks. And I'm definitely lucky for a lot of reasons. DC and otherwise. I'm actually amazed you even see my posts, especially since the Video forum tends to be very active.

It's a magic tick Rob taught me...

Speaking of memory, out of curiosity, can you do that card trick Chris Ferguson did in the WSOP a few years ago without counting?

By 'that one' I mean: your assistant draws a card. You then flip the remaining cards in the deck up one by one. After seeing the other 51 cards you tell them the card they are holding. General amazement ensues.

I have never tried. I would think I could do better than most at this.

By counting I mean: one way to do this trick is to assign a value to each individual card, 1-52. Sum up the card values as you see them and then subtract them from the value of a total deck (which in this case is 1378). The result is the value of the card your assistant is holding. Ah! 37? That's the Jack of Diamonds!

There are other ways to do it. For example you could assign values to each suit (say 0-3 or 1-4) and a value to each card (0-12 or 1-13). You then maintain the two separate counts in your head as you go along and derive the missing card value as above.

There are a few other tricks that can simplify it: you can use the modulo function rather than just summing it all up. You can drop off certain digits at certain times to simpify the count, etc. It all works the same.

Anwyay, I'm wondering if you can do the trick without any of those methods - e.g. relying strictly on your short term memory.

I'll have to try it sometime w/o counting as I'm sure I could do ok.

Question, how long of a time does the assistant hold the card up?

Ok, so I just took a deck, shuffled it, pulled one card out face down and then proceeded to flop one by one at a 3 second rate or so. Now, I FUCKED myself as just before the last card was flipped I got excited and I said to myself, "it's the Ten of Clubs!" and the LAST card was the Ten of clubs! OPPS! so I was a bit lost and then tried to 2nd level myself (yes, I'm out of my mind) and guessed the Ten of diamonds.

It wasnt, it was the 3 of spades.

I bet I could have done it if I didnt get so excited!

Ok, so I just took a deck, shuffled it, pulled one card out face down and then proceeded to flop one by one at a 3 second rate or so. Now, I FUCKED myself as just before the last card was flipped I got excited and I said to myself, "it's the Ten of Clubs!" and the LAST card was the Ten of clubs! OPPS! so I was a bit lost and then tried to 2nd level myself (yes, I'm out of my mind) and guessed the Ten of diamonds.

It wasnt, it was the 3 of spades.

I bet I could have done it if I didnt get so excited!

Haha! Excellent. I wish you would have made a video of that...

As for your timing question, I don't know. It's not really clear in the WSOP segment I'm alluding to (The Nuts - I think the 2003 WSOP).

To be honest though I'm not sure how much it would matter. That is, a person with an average memory (and maybe even someone with a strong memory) may benefit from taking longer to see each card. But that may also give them more time to get confused, get distracted, etc. And of course at some point their short term memory may begin to get corrupted/erased.

I think most people would intuitively flip up new cards within a time range that an observer would probably consider 'fair.' And it sounds like you did.