Episode Four

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Episode Four

DJ Sensei and riverboatking continue their romp through the midstakes PLO games, 2-tabling the Full Tilt $10/20 games with rbk at the helm.

tags: riverboatking dj sensei $2kplo plo 2-tabling live play

This Series: Mad Potters

DJ Sensei gets a top of the line coach as he sits with riverboatking to learn mid and high stakes PLO. Watch the live play of each player with dual-audio and watch them dive deep into equity calculations as they prop-bet on the results! The Mad Potters show you how to take the next step to dominating PLO games with their unique styles of play.

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Comments for Episode Four

azman3000
Deuce High
7 posts
Joined 01/08

cant wait to watch

Posted May 28, 2008 2:53pm

thac
Pair of Deuces
147 posts
Joined 01/08

Wow you ran pretty horribly this episode. I love the commentary though, can't wait for next week.

Posted May 28, 2008 5:32pm

blumpster
Deuce High
65 posts
Joined 01/07

When you had your opponent in "terrible" shape:

http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=o&b=ad+qd+3s&d=&h=kd+3c+ks+4d%0D%0Ajd+8d+qc+ts

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4728677
pokenum -o kd 3c ks 4d - jd 8d qc ts -- ad qd 3s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3s Ad Qd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 3c Kd 4d 530 64.63 290 35.37 0 0.00 0.646
Ts Qc Jd 8d 290 35.37 530 64.63 0 0.00 0.354

Posted May 28, 2008 6:03pm

Entity
Founder
Quad Deuces
1969 posts
Joined 11/06

When you had your opponent in "terrible" shape:

http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=o&b=ad+qd+3s&d=&h=kd+3c+ks+4d%0D%0Ajd+8d+qc+ts

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4728677
pokenum -o kd 3c ks 4d - jd 8d qc ts -- ad qd 3s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3s Ad Qd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 3c Kd 4d 530 64.63 290 35.37 0 0.00 0.646
Ts Qc Jd 8d 290 35.37 530 64.63 0 0.00 0.354


Isn't that pretty terrible shape in PLO? :P

Posted May 28, 2008 6:13pm

johnnyson
Deuce High
33 posts
Joined 02/08

When you had your opponent in "terrible" shape:

http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=o&b=ad+qd+3s&d=&h=kd+3c+ks+4d%0D%0Ajd+8d+qc+ts

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4728677
pokenum -o kd 3c ks 4d - jd 8d qc ts -- ad qd 3s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3s Ad Qd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 3c Kd 4d 530 64.63 290 35.37 0 0.00 0.646
Ts Qc Jd 8d 290 35.37 530 64.63 0 0.00 0.354


65% equity in PLO is like someone drawing dead in holdem

Posted May 28, 2008 7:30pm

Cblanks
Deuce High
99 posts
Joined 03/08

i'd take 65% unless it was a friday or saturday night then they like to get it in dead

Posted May 28, 2008 8:33pm

zwolfe05
Deuce High
5 posts
Joined 01/08

riverboat king. you are not good at plo. particularly, that shove with a7 was atrocious.

Posted May 28, 2008 10:29pm

zwolfe05
Deuce High
5 posts
Joined 01/08

also, when you jammed the turn with bare aces, and the flush draw against that "fish". what were you thinking? he hadnt shown the propensity to do anything on the turn but bet pot with a made hand, and you decided to shove it in? what were you hoping to get called by? your play makes no sense. i stopped watching this video after that hand because you played horribly.

Posted May 28, 2008 10:32pm

blumpster
Deuce High
65 posts
Joined 01/07

Don't get me wrong - we were a significant favorite with the KK and the nut flush draw against his hand, and it'd be great to get the money in that good everytime you put your stack in. I just wouldn't say we had him in terrible shape.

Posted May 28, 2008 11:24pm

blumpster
Deuce High
65 posts
Joined 01/07

riverboat king. you are not good at plo. particularly, that shove with a7 was atrocious.



while i disagree with the former comment, i definitely agree with the latter. when you get called there you will lose to aq.

Posted May 28, 2008 11:31pm

dildog
Pair of Deuces
218 posts
Joined 01/08

guys... you could make better plo videos than this... please give us our money's worth... where's vanessa anyway? thought she would be better at making a plo series...

Posted May 29, 2008 3:04am

shootaa
Deuce High
12 posts
Joined 01/08

lol @ that 'value bet,' dj talk some sense into him!

Posted May 29, 2008 4:14am

sonarym
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 11/07

What's with all the haters in so many video threads lately. First it was the Whitelime vids, now it's here. I'm starting to dread scrolling down on the video pages :S

Constructive criticism or discussing a hand is fine. Saying people are horrible at the game they are teaching is not only ridiculous it's also just plain dumb. You really think rbk got to crushing High Stakes PLO by being lucky? Please.

Anyway, RBK, just know that for every hater there's probably a 100 satisfied customers who look forward to your video every week. Don't let the few loud ones get you down. This series is my favourite of all the PLO vids on the site. Money very well spent.

DJ Sensei becoming a PLO player better not mean we don't get any more DJ Sensei Freestylin' NLHE vids though! ;)

Posted May 29, 2008 4:38am

Entity
Founder
Quad Deuces
1969 posts
Joined 11/06

guys... you could make better plo videos than this... please give us our money's worth... where's vanessa anyway? thought she would be better at making a plo series...


Let us know what you guys are looking for and how they can improve. There's no doubt that rbk is a winner and an insanely difficult opponent in the mid and high stakes PLO games -- at the same time, he plays a style that is unorthodox and, for most of you, insanely laggy. There's no doubt that a lot of the things he's going to do are going to be things that y'all are going to find objectionable. There's also no doubt in my mind that in any video we've done, there are going to be mistakes. If we only played perfectly it would destroy the opportunity for there to be any discussion, interaction, and any genuine opportunity for you to learn.

If there are hands you feel like you'd like to critique, post them and the timestamp -- just like you would in any other thread. This is going to be the best way for us to improve as instructors and for you to improve as players.

You guys aren't going to get as much out of DC by being passive observers as you would by challenging your instructors and challenging yourselves. Let's get some discussion started about hands played and some conversations about different styles in PLO and spots you think are played really horribly. It's hard for us to read this and make better videos based on the comments you've given so far because, to be honest, it really comes off like a bunch of sour grapes...you guys seem like you want to see one style and even make comments saying that rbk is a horrible player when it's pretty well established that isn't the case. PLO is one of the games out there right now where there are a lot of different styles and you are going to help us make better materials by posting specific objections rather than just general gripes.

So yeah. Post specific hands and timestamps so DJ and rbk can actually post back and comment about why they do what they do -- you might be surprised at what you learn in the interaction, which is the whole point of the way we operate.

Rob

Posted May 29, 2008 5:10am

johnnyson
Deuce High
33 posts
Joined 02/08

riverboat king. you are not good at plo. particularly, that shove with a7 was atrocious.


so RBK has crushed highstakes PLO being lucky, uhmkay. your bankroll is probably smaller than the average buyin at the stakes RBK plays.

Posted May 29, 2008 6:45am

marodoren
Deuce High
2 posts
Joined 01/08

DJ Sensei: What a joke you are!

Riverboatking: Don't you see that he missplays half of his hands? Sometimes you give hint's what he does wrong but you have to be more clear and get the 10 year old to shut up so you can make your points.

Posted May 29, 2008 10:15am

marodoren
Deuce High
2 posts
Joined 01/08

BTW "I'm so cool and outplay everyone" DJ Sensei why don't you want to play the weak tight Mabbe heads up from part one of the "Mad Potters"?

Posted May 29, 2008 10:20am

sonarym
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 11/07

DJ Sensei: What a joke you are!

Riverboatking: Don't you see that he missplays half of his hands? Sometimes you give hint's what he does wrong but you have to be more clear and get the 10 year old to shut up so you can make your points.




So you're an expert who can make comments like this but you can't even notice that Riverboatking was playing in the video and NOT DJ Sensei? Oh, and the 10yr thing is seriously out of line. Heaven forbid some of the instructors have you know, lives and families.

Posted May 29, 2008 5:17pm

dildog
Pair of Deuces
218 posts
Joined 01/08

Let us know what you guys are looking for and how they can improve. There's no doubt that rbk is a winner and an insanely difficult opponent in the mid and high stakes PLO games -- at the same time, he plays a style that is unorthodox and, for most of you, insanely laggy. There's no doubt that a lot of the things he's going to do are going to be things that y'all are going to find objectionable. There's also no doubt in my mind that in any video we've done, there are going to be mistakes. If we only played perfectly it would destroy the opportunity for there to be any discussion, interaction, and any genuine opportunity for you to learn.

If there are hands you feel like you'd like to critique, post them and the timestamp -- just like you would in any other thread. This is going to be the best way for us to improve as instructors and for you to improve as players.

You guys aren't going to get as much out of DC by being passive observers as you would by challenging your instructors and challenging yourselves. Let's get some discussion started about hands played and some conversations about different styles in PLO and spots you think are played really horribly. It's hard for us to read this and make better videos based on the comments you've given so far because, to be honest, it really comes off like a bunch of sour grapes...you guys seem like you want to see one style and even make comments saying that rbk is a horrible player when it's pretty well established that isn't the case. PLO is one of the games out there right now where there are a lot of different styles and you are going to help us make better materials by posting specific objections rather than just general gripes.

So yeah. Post specific hands and timestamps so DJ and rbk can actually post back and comment about why they do what they do -- you might be surprised at what you learn in the interaction, which is the whole point of the way we operate.

Rob



rob...

let rbk play alone and show us his style of play... i know he is a good player and i would prefer to see him play and hear his thought process in some situations during a game...

this series is really a good idea but it might be better if you used a different format... let djsensei play alone then let rbk redub the vid with his own comments just like what stheif did in his videos...

thanks

Posted May 29, 2008 5:53pm

DJ Sensei
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
704 posts
Joined 10/07

BTW "I'm so cool and outplay everyone" DJ Sensei why don't you want to play the weak tight Mabbe heads up from part one of the "Mad Potters"?



Because I haven't ever played HU PLO. I invited him to join my 25/50 6max table yesterday but I guess he wasn't interested in easy money.

Posted May 29, 2008 6:19pm

sonarym
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 11/07

let rbk play alone and show us his style of play... i know he is a good player and i would prefer to see him play and hear his thought process in some situations during a game...



Umm, that's exactly what's done in this episode. RBK is playing and explaining why he's doing things. DJ is just in the background asking questions like us newer PLO players would which triggers RBK to expound upon what he's doing.

So this episode, episode 4 is exactly what you're asking for, no?

Posted May 29, 2008 6:57pm

zwolfe05
Deuce High
5 posts
Joined 01/08

so RBK has crushed highstakes PLO being lucky, uhmkay. your bankroll is probably smaller than the average buyin at the stakes RBK plays.



lol. i love when people make bankroll jokes. atleast you were smart enough to use the word probably.

Posted May 29, 2008 8:01pm

gergery
Deuce High
38 posts
Joined 12/07

Great vid, funny as hell. Really interesting to see the different style vs Vanessa/Whitelime, and how often RBK's AbuseEmAggression works.

Posted May 29, 2008 9:24pm

Hellsen
Deuce High
24 posts
Joined 01/08

love your vids =]

Posted May 29, 2008 9:36pm

Radeh
Pair of Deuces
114 posts
Joined 01/08

Not playing at those stakes yet, still a very interesting video. I love PLO so far, and it's fun to see different styles.

The only thing I don't like about the series so far is that they're all 2-table videos, so I can't really watch 'em well on the iTouch.

@ dudes criticizing the video through personal attacks on DJ and RBK: Grow up or smoke a spliff to chill out a bit!

Posted May 31, 2008 9:15pm

nakke
Deuce High
34 posts
Joined 04/08

Awesome commentary :)

Posted Jun 1, 2008 4:14pm

Ulkis
Pair of Deuces
242 posts
Joined 10/07

What's with all the haters in so many video threads lately.



I think there are a lot of new members who are young and without social skills how to interact with other people. Live or online.

Posted Jun 1, 2008 4:25pm