Time Link to 00:04:19
Off-topic but how is it possible to have different card mods for different tables during one session?
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Time Link to 00:04:19
Off-topic but how is it possible to have different card mods for different tables during one session?
Off-topic but how is it possible to have different card mods for different tables during one session?
I think the bottom two tables are slightly smaller than the top two. Full Tilt switches to different cards with larger card ranks as tables get smaller.
Time Link to 00:06:52
You say you can call deep for set value, because:
a. Your opponent might bluff and you get value
b. Your opponent might be capable of betting for thin value
So, against this opponent this should be a fold?
He is the guy that checked as the PFR on a KKQr board, so that would tell me that he can't bet thinly or is capable of making bluffs?
Time Link to 00:24:26
Hi Andrew,
I really respect your thoughts on poker and your videos have helped shape the way I conceptualize the game these days. Tubasteve has coached me, and I believe you have coached him-- so I feel like I am a twice removed student of yours, of sorts. Thanks for all your hard work and for sharing it with the DC and 2+2 communities.
I'm having trouble understanding the 88 hand with your plan here to bet the turn small when checked to after spiking the set. In the actual hand, the villain does 2barrel, so we don't really get to see this hypothetical spot play out in practice, but I still want to understand.
Before, you were playing against jigga_man in a 3-bet pot on the same table where you floated in position as a semi-bluff/capitalization of dead money. You have AhJh, flat his cbet on KhTh2d, and bet 225 into 422 on the turn bringing Td after he checks. Sweet. Your logic here was to bet small with the view that if you do make a bunch of dead money (ie betting too big), he can c/ship the turn to make a rebluff/semi-bluff way more +ev versus your range... and you don't want to put yourself in that position with the AhJh. So you opt for a smaller bet, and he c/f, which was cool.
Here you have 88 on T32 vs the guy who doesn't top off, 8 turn also bringing 2 suits, and you are inclined to bet small to get him to spazz.
I'm wondering why bet small vs jigga for folds and bet small vs jonas for spazzes? Board texture? Reads? This seems like a similar spot, but I must be wrong?
Thank you for expanding your thoughts on this and the other concepts people are working hard on understanding. It's these hypothetical what-if situations that really improve my thought process, personally.
Thanks again,
John
You say you can call deep for set value, because:
a. Your opponent might bluff and you get value
b. Your opponent might be capable of betting for thin value
So, against this opponent this should be a fold?
He is the guy that checked as the PFR on a KKQr board, so that would tell me that he can't bet thinly or is capable of making bluffs?
certainly that read would incline me to fold, but i wouldnt take a read given me being IP in a raised pot necessarily to have enormous significant in a 3bet pot OOP when 200bb deep. While you're right that, if he's not v aggressive, its not a good call, i still think this guy is pretty aggressive esp in position.
Andrew
Hi Andrew,
I really respect your thoughts on poker and your videos have helped shape the way I conceptualize the game these days. Tubasteve has coached me, and I believe you have coached him-- so I feel like I am a twice removed student of yours, of sorts. Thanks for all your hard work and for sharing it with the DC and 2+2 communities.
I'm having trouble understanding the 88 hand with your plan here to bet the turn small when checked to after spiking the set. In the actual hand, the villain does 2barrel, so we don't really get to see this hypothetical spot play out in practice, but I still want to understand.
Before, you were playing against jigga_man in a 3-bet pot on the same table where you floated in position as a semi-bluff/capitalization of dead money. You have AhJh, flat his cbet on KhTh2d, and bet 225 into 422 on the turn bringing Td after he checks. Sweet. Your logic here was to bet small with the view that if you do make a bunch of dead money (ie betting too big), he can c/ship the turn to make a rebluff/semi-bluff way more +ev versus your range... and you don't want to put yourself in that position with the AhJh. So you opt for a smaller bet, and he c/f, which was cool.
Here you have 88 on T32 vs the guy who doesn't top off, 8 turn also bringing 2 suits, and you are inclined to bet small to get him to spazz.
I'm wondering why bet small vs jigga for folds and bet small vs jonas for spazzes? Board texture? Reads? This seems like a similar spot, but I must be wrong?
Thank you for expanding your thoughts on this and the other concepts people are working hard on understanding. It's these hypothetical what-if situations that really improve my thought process, personally.
Thanks again,
John
if im remembering correctly here, i'm betting for value both times, one of them just happens to be much thinner than the other. so, in short, im taking a balanced bet size that works for my bluffs, thin v bets, and nonthin v-bets.
That answer?
Andrew
certainly that read would incline me to fold, but i wouldnt take a read given me being IP in a raised pot necessarily to have enormous significant in a 3bet pot OOP when 200bb deep. While you're right that, if he's not v aggressive, its not a good call, i still think this guy is pretty aggressive esp in position.
Andrew
Doesnt a read like you had in the raised pot tell you something about how he is going to play in a 3-bet pot?
Like, hm, example: How he played in that single raised pot made him more a passive player rather than somebody that goes out of line a lot?
Or are this really two different worlds where we need to be careful with a read like that when we enter the world of 3-betting/4-betting?
Doesnt a read like you had in the raised pot tell you something about how he is going to play in a 3-bet pot?
Like, hm, example: How he played in that single raised pot made him more a passive player rather than somebody that goes out of line a lot?
Or are this really two different worlds where we need to be careful with a read like that when we enter the world of 3-betting/4-betting?
i mean, yes and no. yes in the sense of, i have a read that in this spot he plays more passively than i'd expect. no in the sense of, i still consider him to be an aggressive player and if he plays passively in other spots where i'd expect aggression then i'd need to expand my read.
basically just saying that a read in one spot can affect a read in others, but doesn't dictate it.
Andrew
Time Link to 00:11:19
When you bet half pot on table 2 on the turn, are you still priced in if he check raises? Do you choose the same bet size every time you bet the turn or how much would you bet with a low flush draw?
i mean, yes and no. yes in the sense of, i have a read that in this spot he plays more passively than i'd expect. no in the sense of, i still consider him to be an aggressive player and if he plays passively in other spots where i'd expect aggression then i'd need to expand my read.
basically just saying that a read in one spot can affect a read in others, but doesn't dictate it.
Andrew
I think I understand what you mean, thank you
When you bet half pot on table 2 on the turn, are you still priced in if he check raises? Do you choose the same bet size every time you bet the turn or how much would you bet with a low flush draw?
without a specific read otherwise id probably make it roughly that size w/ my whole range.
Great job so far, this series has been really good. Just one thing -
in a situation where on the river we have the nut full house and our opponent either has the 2nd nut FH or quads, we will have the best hand 75% of the time. If he's stacking w/ both (and obv, we should assume he is), then this is clearly not a break even situation.
Great job so far, this series has been really good. Just one thing -
in a situation where on the river we have the nut full house and our opponent either has the 2nd nut FH or quads, we will have the best hand 75% of the time. If he's stacking w/ both (and obv, we should assume he is), then this is clearly not a break even situation.
clearly you're right, clearly that's also not my point ![]()
Andrew
thanks for vid Anrew. nice watch
Time Link to 00:07:00
On table 4, how do you like floating oop with JTs here? He's probably gonna barrel us a lot, which is bad for us, but we've got lots of backdoordraws and he also can't have too much on this board. Craising might be an option too, but we just dont rep anything, so it's bad, right?
On table 4, how do you like floating oop with JTs here? He's probably gonna barrel us a lot, which is bad for us, but we've got lots of backdoordraws and he also can't have too much on this board. Craising might be an option too, but we just dont rep anything, so it's bad, right?
the real problem here is our lack of equity. we can actually c/r here sometimes because we should def be able to have slowplayed overpairs here as well as 5s, but i'd rather have some overcards that are a little better when they hit.
Andrew
Time Link to 00:28:13
Enjoyed the video as usual - thanks.
Here you bet $152 in to $175 as a bluff when the K flush card hits. Earlier (not sure how to embed another time line) but it was at 3 mins 5 secs you bet $132 in to $172 as a semi-bluff with a double gutter. You spoke about balancing and that $132 was an amount that you felt was "balanceable".
Obviously these spots are different as you have almost zero equity in the second example (gutshot that isn't clean). Could you explain your thought process for the bet sizing here Vs the first bet and what makes you bet bigger or smaller in this example taking your balancing concerns in to account given that the action before each bet was similar (flat PF, flat cbet, bet when checked to on connected board) and neither villain was "bad".
I assume maximizing FE here is key and if it is simply that and that the bet sizing is within the bounds of your value bet/bluff range in both cases then I will have just answered my own question - but I suspect you may have more thoughts!
Thanks.
muy interesante video
are you in a spanish speaking country atm ?
enjoyed watching this, good explanations
it depends highly on the range i'm representing. if it's more air-based (i.e. draws didn't hit), i want to make it smaller because smaller is more balancable (given the air-to-value range i'm representing). If it's more value based (i.e. the draws hit, there's a lot more nuts stuff in my range, a bigger bet is more balancable).
not a huge point, but thats my basic thought
Andrew
muy interesante video![]()
are you in a spanish speaking country atm ?
enjoyed watching this, good explanations
no ahora. on my way to thailand/china soon though ![]()
it depends highly on the range i'm representing. if it's more air-based (i.e. draws didn't hit), i want to make it smaller because smaller is more balancable (given the air-to-value range i'm representing). If it's more value based (i.e. the draws hit, there's a lot more nuts stuff in my range, a bigger bet is more balancable).
not a huge point, but thats my basic thought
Andrew
Ty - makes sense. No use to me until I move up quite a bit then as down where I play they're not thinking too much about the range of value hands Vs air you are repping
Good concept for me to think about though.
Time Link to 00:14:07
I'm not sure I understand why you call this player a bad player, when you say he has generally played pretty perfect post flop. He doesn't fold to much and he is playing back. Doesn't that mean that he is going to be generally a good player? What would make you think otherwise.
I'm not sure I understand why you call this player a bad player, when you say he has generally played pretty perfect post flop. He doesn't fold to much and he is playing back. Doesn't that mean that he is going to be generally a good player? What would make you think otherwise.
i forget exactly what made me think he was a bad player (i think maybe he called a 3bet or two OOP? i forget), but the reason I say he's going to be "playing perfectly postflop" is that he's not calling with any hands worse than Q2s and that he doesnt like to fold postflop, so in that sense he's "playing perfectly"
Andrew
Can you talk about how we are reacting on the turn when he fires a second barrel in the AhJh 3-bet pot? What are we doing on a total blank? When the board pairs the K or T? When we pair our A or J? When we hit our flush or gutshot?
Can you talk about how we are reacting on the turn when he fires a second barrel in the AhJh 3-bet pot? What are we doing on a total blank? When the board pairs the K or T? When we pair our A or J? When we hit our flush or gutshot?
flatting on blanks/K/T/Q/A/J is probably best, shoving on flushes seems best.
just quick off the top of my head
Andrew
Thanks BalugaWhale, great video.
Here are my notes/questions and would greatly appreciate if you had time to make a response.
-5:30 44 facing 3bet oop from prittay good. Hypothetically you say if were 100 bbs deep it's a ship or fold. Since Prittay good is a regular why are you not worried about balance? he 3bets to 100, usually standard would be to 4bet 2.5x or so, but you suggest shipping $1000. I can see how 4betting getting it in is very non optimal compared to shipping because of the FE difference but it might come to hurt us if villain can get a read on our 4bet ship vs. our standard 4bet.
-8min AJhh If we were 200 bbs you value 4bet AJs? Im struggling to see the value in that because I am not very experienced in deep play.
-29:30 3bet pot 1/3 pot donk looks like TP? What is there reasoning for this? It seems like the small donk bets from fish are often flush draws or some weak pair that doesn't want to C/C
-34:30 great point about not hero calling when villain is likely thinly vbetting.
-39 When we flat 3bet w KJ are we ever folding if we hit a TP? What flops are we playing back with air?
-Also I really liked your comments about flatting/3betting from SB vs. BB.
Solid vid. Thanks.
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