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DeucesCracked presents you with an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. 5/10, 10/20, and 25/50 NL 6-max real-time strategy with KRANTZ.
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O yeah baby!
that 42ss hand was SICK!
Nice video.
Please play Sbrugby headsup ! ![]()
The 24s hand why not just 3bet/call flop?
Our equity when called is always going to be around 50%+ and it makes our lives alot easier espeacilly on a turn if he bets again.
The A4s hand you 3bet small so you can 5bet bluff shove.
You were pretty deep so why not 5bet small to around $1100 and call/fold depending on whetehr you think he is capable of 6bet bluff shoving.
Just some general questions
Krantz why didn't you use hud for this series?
Off topic - While you were playing SSNL through MSNL how many tables were u playing and for how many
hours per dag on average? Was it 2 tables for 10 hours with no hud but extremely sick note taking?
The 24s hand why not just 3bet/call flop?
Our equity when called is always going to be around 50%+ and it makes our lives alot easier espeacilly on a turn if he bets again.
The A4s hand you 3bet small so you can 5bet bluff shove.
You were pretty deep so why not 5bet small to around $1100 and call/fold depending on whetehr you think he is capable of 6bet bluff shoving.
Listen to the audio again, I explain why. He is bluffing very often (see the QQ hand prior and notice his defense to 3-bets) and I can deduce which cards improve him/my flush outs are potential bluffing cards for him, and I have position. Not worried about making my life easier, I'm worried about how to eke out the most profit.
A4s I'm only 125bb deep. 4-betting to 1/2 my stack and folding would be mathematically incorrect against even the tightest hand range.
Just some general questions
Krantz why didn't you use hud for this series?
Off topic - While you were playing SSNL through MSNL how many tables were u playing and for how many
hours per dag on average? Was it 2 tables for 10 hours with no hud but extremely sick note taking?
Just mixing it up, in coming episodes I bust out the HUD. I played 5-8 tables of 6max for the most part when I was playing SSNL-MSNL. Maybe 3-4 hours/day? I used to put in 50k hands/month, sometimes more during my better grinder periods :-)
Awesome sign off...
Also, at 37:21 a seat opens up on the right-hand table directly across from where you are at. Is this a spot where when you are looking to get in a lot of hands with MasterJ that you would switch to that seat to get position on him? This would however put you oop vs nomed which seems like it could lead to some tricky spots as well.
Man great video. God i hate masterj333 what a retard! I think on the turn with the 24s hand, maybe you could do like a really gay bet of 1/4 pot to induce something spastic and also not give a free card?
Awesome video as always krantz. The 4-bet bluff induce/shove with A4s was gold. Can you expand on 3betting vs calling vs folding with small-mid pairs from the blinds vs different types of opponents or provide some links that do? Thanks.
Man great video. God i hate masterj333 what a retard! I think on the turn with the 24s hand, maybe you could do like a really gay bet of 1/4 pot to induce something spastic and also not give a free card?
I think results oriented wise this is a good idea, but in all honestly it sucks a lot of the time when we get check-shoved on at the turn
Awesome sign off...
Also, at 37:21 a seat opens up on the right-hand table directly across from where you are at. Is this a spot where when you are looking to get in a lot of hands with MasterJ that you would switch to that seat to get position on him? This would however put you oop vs nomed which seems like it could lead to some tricky spots as well.
Yah, that's definitely a better seat for me despite being OOP vs nomed. I kind of dislike doing things like that where you're blatantly trying to get better position on a fish, but profit is profit.
Awesome video as always krantz. The 4-bet bluff induce/shove with A4s was gold. Can you expand on 3betting vs calling vs folding with small-mid pairs from the blinds vs different types of opponents or provide some links that do? Thanks.
Thanks. I prefer calling small pps against tight LP openers because you can make lots of money when you flop sets. Against looser openers, you want to typically 3-bet or fold these hands because when you do flop a set, you're not guaranteed to win a big pot at all, and you also are out of position and at the mercy of a good player with position with a marginal made hand when you don't hit a set.
The exception to rring vs loose players comes when you're in the BB, where I mix it up because you're getting a better price on a call (since you've already paid 1bb to the pot), or the SB when the BB is a bad player or a player that is unlikely to squeeze.
i would watch this if i wasnt too busy watching LOST OMG
Great video Krantz, I've hardly ever seen such amazing stuff on CR.
But a SSNL grinder cannot afford 7.5k to let you teach us =(
you're not guaranteed to win a big pot at all, and you also are out of position and at the mercy of a good player with position with a marginal made hand when you don't hit a set.
Isnt this an argument for not 3-betting OOP? Unless we have a specific read that they don't defend their opens enough. Or do you think we get enough value when we do hit a set to make it profitable?
Isnt this an argument for not 3-betting OOP? Unless we have a specific read that they don't defend their opens enough. Or do you think we get enough value when we do hit a set to make it profitable?
Well no, it's assuming that they're opening a wide range and only defending a % where the RR is immediately profitable in a vacuum, and furthermore, that you will be able to bluff your way out of the hand postflop (even without much experience in those spots, you can still take down the pot fairly often on dry boards with a tight image).
If they're defending often, I'd just call or fold preflop and reraise them with big cards.
I like the part where you talk about the masterj's aggression being different levels in different situations; that's a really intricate read that not many make.
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I like the part where you talk about the masterj's aggression being different levels in different situations; that's a really intricate read that not many make.
yea, when krantz said that i was like WOW and great ways to exploit masterj immediately became much more clear.
Please do not make this voice again with 2 minutes left. I got so scared that i quickly turned my head to see what is behind me that i hurt my neck
Top notch video as usual Krantz!
It's amazing the skills you're able to demonstrate in these videos while still making it entertaining to watch.
yea, when krantz said that i was like WOW and great ways to exploit masterj immediately became much more clear.
Krantz absolutely tagged him perfectly.
the 24ss hand, do you call all rivers?
i hope you get deep enough in one of your videos for some sweet sweet 6 bet bluffs ![]()
also, when you say for this series you won't go lower than 5/10. is that 5 dollar 10 dollar or 5 cent 10 cent?
i would watch this if i wasnt too busy watching LOST OMG
Best show in the world man. Dont let anyone tell you differently. (Nice video)
-- JC
great
"I wanna stack him as much as possible cause i hate him too!"
so sick this video
Well no, it's assuming that they're opening a wide range and only defending a % where the RR is immediately profitable in a vacuum, and furthermore, that you will be able to bluff your way out of the hand postflop (even without much experience in those spots, you can still take down the pot fairly often on dry boards with a tight image).
I mean, can't this argument be made for reraising any 2 cards? I guess my point comes down to why would we rather RR with 22-66 than say, Q5s. Are we dominated less often? Is our pair good enough at showdown? Do we hit enough sets and get paid off? Sorry if I'm being nitpicky about this subject, its just a trouble spot for me.
i'd like to see some 5/10 too.
Yeah I wanna some 5/10 too, but anyway, on the last hand where you called the 3bet with 77 in pos, what kind of flop are you expecting for calling a cbet? or are you just hoping that he checks back to you so you can fire yourself?
I mean, can't this argument be made for reraising any 2 cards? I guess my point comes down to why would we rather RR with 22-66 than say, Q5s. Are we dominated less often? Is our pair good enough at showdown? Do we hit enough sets and get paid off? Sorry if I'm being nitpicky about this subject, its just a trouble spot for me.
Yep, it can, and it works for any 2 cards, except that if you do RR any two cards all the time then it becomes an easily exploitable strategy and quite evident to your opponents. We take small pocket pairs and use them because they've got showdown value, you can hit sets, and in more advanced situations where the PFR will 4-bet bluff you or only 4-bet JJ+ but also AJ, AQ, and AK for value, you can 5-bet jam those all-in.
In the very first hand of the video it's funny that you openraise the BTN to 70 when there is a shortstacker in the BB because I remembery ou saying (quite some time ago) that usually the decent but not so great players don't adjust their openingsize when there is a shortstacker in the blinds
(you do it again at 3:30
and again at 39:20 vs a 15BB stack)
Would you ever open to less then 3x on the BTW with a shortstacker in the (big) blinds?
Nice vid as expected ![]()
there were a few spots where you 3-bet oop with ~200bb stacks, once against johnhenning iirc. i noticed you 3-bet about the same amount as you did with 100 bb stacks. you also seemed pretty surprised when the sb 3-bet to $260 ~150 bb deep. this is something i've never understood 100%. you'd usually rather discourage action and cut down stacks/pot when you're oop 150-250 bb deep, but it's always a little awkward making it 260+ because you're raising 30 bucks more to win the exact same amount. so is making it around the same amount the better way to play in these situations?
Good video.
Don't go to 5/10, go up!
I'd like to see more 6max (3-5 handed is fine aswell obv.), and as high limit as you want to go. 200/400 6max would be sweet, even though it doesn't run much.
def mix in some 5/10
awesome vids!
there were a few spots where you 3-bet oop with ~200bb stacks, once against johnhenning iirc. i noticed you 3-bet about the same amount as you did with 100 bb stacks. you also seemed pretty surprised when the sb 3-bet to $260 ~150 bb deep. this is something i've never understood 100%. you'd usually rather discourage action and cut down stacks/pot when you're oop 150-250 bb deep, but it's always a little awkward making it 260+ because you're raising 30 bucks more to win the exact same amount. so is making it around the same amount the better way to play in these situations?
Do you remember the time where I act surprised? I was probably just not expecting it. I personally like making it the same amount (or close to it) because right, you're risking more to win the same amount, and I can manipulate the pot well enough postflop to get all-in if I need to or bluff for more if I need to. I think reraising bigger might get you more FE at first, but as soon as people notice that that's your standard rr size with deeper stacks, they'll play you the same way they would if you were rr-ing slightly smaller.
Now even so, there's something to be said for making it slightly bigger and cutting out any immediate odds they're getting.
15:42, you make a small raise vs the cbet with K4s on a Q44 flop. You then start saying he may "click it back" and go on to say that it's a bad play.
What do you mean by "click it back"? Is that just a small bluff 3bet?
15:42, you make a small raise vs the cbet with K4s on a Q44 flop. You then start saying he may "click it back" and go on to say that it's a bad play.
What do you mean by "click it back"? Is that just a small bluff 3bet?
yah, sorry, it's a minimum 3-bet
About the 2/4s hand, do you think the rivercall is close? I think it is and that being said what do you think about the following? If you fold you will still be 250bb deep against a "donkey" in position, if you call and lose you won't. What about giving up a small plus EV call here for future value? I actually think that is a big part in this hand.
Also when you call and win you won't be deep against him because you will only play 115bb effective stacks that way so this isn't as a big of a deal than the other way around.
Great video BTW real high level thinking.
I was under the impression hitherto that just_the_nuts was/is flawless. I guess you feigned ignorance to protect his anonymity and refrain from revealing too much about how he plays?
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