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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by jk3a (Mid Stakes)

Great way to make a video review! Other coaches should watch and learn

This is a sick vid dude, I'm def going to try to get coaching from you

nice vid

On the KJcc I was really surprised when you said that checking and giving up on the turn was fine, I'd be interested to hear more about that. It seems to me that by checking the turn we are making it very profitable for him to peel our c/raise on the flop very light then give up when we fire again (because we have two pair or a set)and try and showdown if we don't because we have a draw. Basically our range is going to be really unbalanced.

It seems to me like a clear spot where we absolutely have to fire the turn against this villain. I like what you said about overbetting, the other alternative I think is betting around $45 on the turn, because I'm not that worried about getting shipped on too much in this spot, and shoving most rivers. When he calls the flop on this board his range is going to be weighted heavily to weaker 1 pair type hands which villain can't really call down 3 streets with, if he does, awesome because we're going to own him with all our big hands here.

So as far as I can see once you c/raise the flop, giving up on the turn seems pretty terrible and either overbetting the turn (then probably giving up) or betting turn and shoving river seems infinitely better. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this.

Nice vid JK

On the AQ hand where villain had TT, you mentioned that if villain was going to bet the A turn, he should do it with the intention of firing a 3rd barrel on the river. Are there any river cards that you wouldn't fire the 3rd barrel on, like a Q,K, or 4th spade? Really nice video BTW.

On the KJcc I was really surprised when you said that checking and giving up on the turn was fine, I'd be interested to hear more about that. It seems to me that by checking the turn we are making it very profitable for him to peel our c/raise on the flop very light then give up when we fire again (because we have two pair or a set)and try and showdown if we don't because we have a draw. Basically our range is going to be really unbalanced.

It seems to me like a clear spot where we absolutely have to fire the turn against this villain. I like what you said about overbetting, the other alternative I think is betting around $45 on the turn, because I'm not that worried about getting shipped on too much in this spot, and shoving most rivers. When he calls the flop on this board his range is going to be weighted heavily to weaker 1 pair type hands which villain can't really call down 3 streets with, if he does, awesome because we're going to own him with all our big hands here.

So as far as I can see once you c/raise the flop, giving up on the turn seems pretty terrible and either overbetting the turn (then probably giving up) or betting turn and shoving river seems infinitely better. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this.

He's def going to 3bet flop or ship turn if he calls flop with his stronger hands a good amount of the time. Therefore, barreling would likely show a profit obv depending on the turn/river cards that fell. Checking the turn after c/r is def not my fav option and it certainly does leave us unbalanced a bit.

On the AQ hand where villain had TT, you mentioned that if villain was going to bet the A turn, he should do it with the intention of firing a 3rd barrel on the river. Are there any river cards that you wouldn't fire the 3rd barrel on, like a Q,K, or 4th spade? Really nice video BTW.

I would say Ax, Jx and spades are some of the worst river barrel cards. K/Q are def bad as well as they make some 2 pairs.

enjoyed the video, especially the QTo hand got me thinking as I almost never continue past the flop there...

Awesome vid Jared.

I think the format was really good. Nice job!

He's def going to 3bet flop or ship turn if he calls flop with his stronger hands a good amount of the time. Therefore, barreling would likely show a profit obv depending on the turn/river cards that fell. Checking the turn after c/r is def not my fav option and it certainly does leave us unbalanced a bit.

Thanks for the response.

I was also wondering about the AQ hand. Preflop I agree with you that folding seems really weak but do you not think that it is going to be really hard to show a profit calling AQ oop against a reasonably competent villain. Unless you end up massively coolering him post flop you are rarely going to be stacking him, you are going to have to c/fold a ton of flops, when you do hit he can pot control when behind and extract max value when ahead. It just seems like a spot where you have really bad reverse implied odds and unless you're sure c/raising tons of flops and getting him to fold a lot post flop it seems like it's going to be very hard to play post flop.

All the above is why I like what you said about 4 betting, but when you're this deep it makes it a bit awkward as you said and you can't really stack off so 4 bet folding makes sense, however, except for the obvious card removal effects, you may as well have 72o then, so by 4 bet folding you are essentially negating all the value your hand has, assuming he isn't flatting worse here too often. (I agree he might occasionally but I'd think it would be pretty rare and it might be more interesting to imagine a hypothetical exmple where he never does).

So basically it seems like all the options suck, folding seems too weak, calling will make your life really difficult post flop and 4 bet folding negates the value of your hand. I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit on why you would choose calling or 4bet folding based on those arguments.

Thanks again, I enjoyed the vid.

Thanks for the response.

I was also wondering about the AQ hand. Preflop I agree with you that folding seems really weak but do you not think that it is going to be really hard to show a profit calling AQ oop against a reasonably competent villain. Unless you end up massively coolering him post flop you are rarely going to be stacking him, you are going to have to c/fold a ton of flops, when you do hit he can pot control when behind and extract max value when ahead. It just seems like a spot where you have really bad reverse implied odds and unless you're sure c/raising tons of flops and getting him to fold a lot post flop it seems like it's going to be very hard to play post flop.

All the above is why I like what you said about 4 betting, but when you're this deep it makes it a bit awkward as you said and you can't really stack off so 4 bet folding makes sense, however, except for the obvious card removal effects, you may as well have 72o then, so by 4 bet folding you are essentially negating all the value your hand has, assuming he isn't flatting worse here too often. (I agree he might occasionally but I'd think it would be pretty rare and it might be more interesting to imagine a hypothetical exmple where he never does).

So basically it seems like all the options suck, folding seems too weak, calling will make your life really difficult post flop and 4 bet folding negates the value of your hand. I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit on why you would choose calling or 4bet folding based on those arguments.

Thanks again, I enjoyed the vid.

Very good points, basically calling is the lesser of all evils imo. I don't expect to show a huge profit, but he's 3betting alot of worse hands and prolly doesn't play very well postflop, as we saw As long as you c/r bluff occasionally and don't felt everytime you flop good you'll be fine.

More vids like these pls!

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You mention overbetting the Turn since we know he must have a marginal hand after checking. What about overbetting the River if we took the same line on the Turn? Too obvious, even to the point he will hero call?

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If we do decide there's value in a bet on the River, do you think (against a thinking player) that a larger than 1/3 pot would be more likely to get a call from weaker hands?

Imo, if we bet so small, we can't represent a bluff like a busted FD or something that is trying to rep trips on the end. We'd bet more with a bluff. A small bet here represents a hand that's trying to get called light (unless we were in some sort of leveling war w/ history), and the most likely hands trying to get value will be Ax and Jx, both of which beat hands like KK/QQ/etc that you mentioned we'd be looking to get value from. If he picks up that we're vbetting, it seems like weaker hands become easier folds for him.

However, if we bet larger, an amount that can represent a bluff, then we may get looked up a little more often than an amount looks like only a vbet.

How's my thinking here? Am I on track or just giving too much credit? Am I missing some details that make this wrong?

Enjoyed every vid to date. Thanks!

You mention overbetting the Turn since we know he must have a marginal hand after checking. What about overbetting the River if we took the same line on the Turn? Too obvious, even to the point he will hero call?

I just finished watching this vid and thought the same exact thing. Even if he soulreads us as superweak after we c/r the flop and check the turn, doesn't his check back on the turn mean we can get him off his weak made hand on the river by overbet bluffing? Our line would be very tough to believe, but even if he doesn't believe us, a weak made hand is going to have a VERY tough time calling a shove or 2x pot bet on the river there. Not many people are good enough to overbet bluff and there are fewer people who are able to make huge calls w/ 2nd pair of 8s or 7s or whatever.

It might be a bit high variance, but I think it's def worth considering.

You mention overbetting the Turn since we know he must have a marginal hand after checking. What about overbetting the River if we took the same line on the Turn? Too obvious, even to the point he will hero call?

Really interesting question. That line of c/r, check, bet is usually not a bluff from a "good" player because people rarely check the turn with their strong hands and rarely bet the river as a bluff because they're afraid it will look too obv. That said, I would fold if you took that line against me but many 100nl tags would snap call the river with a marginal hand. Honestly, it's really tough to say as it's a bit of a leveling thing. It's prob better on like Q or A river than a complete brick.

If we do decide there's value in a bet on the River, do you think (against a thinking player) that a larger than 1/3 pot would be more likely to get a call from weaker hands?

Imo, if we bet so small, we can't represent a bluff like a busted FD or something that is trying to rep trips on the end. We'd bet more with a bluff. A small bet here represents a hand that's trying to get called light (unless we were in some sort of leveling war w/ history), and the most likely hands trying to get value will be Ax and Jx, both of which beat hands like KK/QQ/etc that you mentioned we'd be looking to get value from. If he picks up that we're vbetting, it seems like weaker hands become easier folds for him.

However, if we bet larger, an amount that can represent a bluff, then we may get looked up a little more often than an amount looks like only a vbet.

How's my thinking here? Am I on track or just giving too much credit? Am I missing some details that make this wrong?

Enjoyed every vid to date. Thanks!

The 1/3 pot tiny value bets are something that are really bad in theory but much better in practice. Def doesn't work well against good thinking players, but most of your opponents aren't that.

I think it's a pretty good spot to bluff with a 1/3 pot bet

Really interesting question. That line of c/r, check, bet is usually not a bluff from a "good" player because people rarely check the turn with their strong hands and rarely bet the river as a bluff because they're afraid it will look too obv. That said, I would fold if you took that line against me but many 100nl tags would snap call the river with a marginal hand. Honestly, it's really tough to say as it's a bit of a leveling thing. It's prob better on like Q or A river than a complete brick.

Were you signed in as Wilt originally? haha

Usually don't reply in these threads but hey ! First time for everything.

AQ on 2T5J

Betting the turn and betting the river >>> checking the turn.
You get value from worse hearts, 89,A3,A4.
2, 5, 66-99 will usually fold to a riverbet.

Don't like the openingraise size when we hold QQ on the button with a fish in the blinds, you make it 6 when I saw you make it 7 from other positions? Why not make it 7 or 8? Won't make any difference to these players.
I also don't really understand the entire fuzz about this hand, 4betting and getting it in is definatly the most +EV play without any decent history with the guy, as for betsizing, 26% to 30% of stacks is optimal, given that you sometimes 4betbluff. I'd make it 56.

KJ call in the BB is just fine, it all depends on your edge against this guy, if CARDJAKAYLOL is a very good reg and you are uncomfortable playing against him I'd prefer 3betting.
The turnspot is not as intresting as jk3a says it is, it's actually a very polarized spot against most 200NL regulars.
He won't have 88,66,44.
He's often gonna get the money in without thinking about it with QQ+, and even if he calls, it's easy to release hell on his ass.

The only real hands that can stand some heat are TT, 57 and 79 and then on the other side he'll have a shitload of 8x, 99, some JJ+, 65, 6A with backdoorflushdraw..
I'm struggling a bit between betting pot and calling a shove (in this case we need 63% fold equity) or betting a normal amount and betting alot of rivers...
Without too much history I probably go for the maximizing fold equity on the turn and calling a shove, I obviously don't know villain but I think we have more then 63% fold equity, It'll be marginal. The positive side of this play is that we won't have to face difficult river decissions, it's easy to balance and that we'll be viewed as a total maniac while this is definatly not the case, it'll probably create some intresting metagame.

Well, that's it, this where I stopped watching ^^ Back to work.

Usually don't reply in these threads but hey ! First time for everything.

AQ on 2T5J

Betting the turn and betting the river >>> checking the turn.
You get value from worse hearts, 89,A3,A4.
2, 5, 66-99 will usually fold to a riverbet.

Don't like the openingraise size when we hold QQ on the button with a fish in the blinds, you make it 6 when I saw you make it 7 from other positions? Why not make it 7 or 8? Won't make any difference to these players.
I also don't really understand the entire fuzz about this hand, 4betting and getting it in is definatly the most +EV play without any decent history with the guy, as for betsizing, 26% to 30% of stacks is optimal, given that you sometimes 4betbluff. I'd make it 56.

KJ call in the BB is just fine, it all depends on your edge against this guy, if CARDJAKAYLOL is a very good reg and you are uncomfortable playing against him I'd prefer 3betting.
The turnspot is not as intresting as jk3a says it is, it's actually a very polarized spot against most 200NL regulars.
He won't have 88,66,44.
He's often gonna get the money in without thinking about it with QQ+, and even if he calls, it's easy to release hell on his ass.

The only real hands that can stand some heat are TT, 57 and 79 and then on the other side he'll have a shitload of 8x, 99, some JJ+, 65, 6A with backdoorflushdraw..
I'm struggling a bit between betting pot and calling a shove (in this case we need 63% fold equity) or betting a normal amount and betting alot of rivers...
Without too much history I probably go for the maximizing fold equity on the turn and calling a shove, I obviously don't know villain but I think we have more then 63% fold equity, It'll be marginal. The positive side of this play is that we won't have to face difficult river decissions, it's easy to balance and that we'll be viewed as a total maniac while this is definatly not the case, it'll probably create some intresting metagame.

Well, that's it, this where I stopped watching ^^ Back to work.

AQ - As I said in the video, I def like betting turn and betting lots of rivers, but assuming that line is way better than checking the turn is not very accurate imo. I think it's quite close without knowing how light villain might call a river bet.

QQ - Having that hand in your 3bet calling range is very valuable.

KJs - Stack sizes, stats, history and board texture make this turn spot interesting to me.

I would advise that you learn to think about and discuss poker in a more fluid, open minded way. You can learn this by watching this http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/933-Episode-Four

Thanks for watching the video and the lengthy response.

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I would usually donk this flop. I would donk it with air, draws and monsters...when called yo can barrel lots of turns and rivers.

Do yoiu like this play( If we don't 3bet pre)?

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poor Rowan.. go easy on the kid..you'll crush him

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HEy. You say "the more they barrel the more I like raising"..If they have a high double barrel % why not wait until the turn raise and increase the dollars we win?

I would usually donk this flop. I would donk it with air, draws and monsters...when called yo can barrel lots of turns and rivers.

Do yoiu like this play( If we don't 3bet pre)?

QTo in bb??? we're in position

HEy. You say "the more they barrel the more I like raising"..If they have a high double barrel % why not wait until the turn raise and increase the dollars we win?

jamming over turn raises can be very good against the right players. difficult to say which is better without very detailed reads

Just watched this video again and it sure is super.