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Mentor: Mike l. and Surfdoc (#2) - 4-tabling some more

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Mentor: Mike l. and Surfdoc (#2) - 4-tabling some more by surfdoc, mike l.

Surfdoc and Mike L. return to the NLHE game. Mike picks Surfdoc's brain as he 4-tables $1/2 NLHE.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 57 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Mentor: Mike l. and Surfdoc (#2) - 4-tabling some more

Curtlow

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Video just stops playing and goes back to the begining about 10-12 min in.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Saydon

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doesnt work for meFrown


Refresh the page (clear cache, update) and try again -- working fine for me.

Rob

Posted almost 3 years ago

Jewlian

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I have to disagree with you on the K5 hand where the guy leads into you for 1/7 of the pot. You're much better off raising the flop and betting the turn if you're going for two streets of value because he may have QT AQ or a green (club?) draw that will pay you on the flop and turn but will shut down on the river. Furthermore if he doesn't have a draw he may shut down when on of the draws gets there. So you cannot get two streets of value "any time you want".

Posted almost 3 years ago

BrAKe

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i was just wondering if ne1 knew why i only get a cpl mins of video and i payed to be a member here?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Jewlian

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i was just wondering if ne1 knew why i only get a cpl mins of video and i payed to be a member here?



You kinda, sorta, need to log in.

Posted almost 3 years ago

alexhandros

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The K5s hand (11:00 on) should definitely be a raise on the flop. Surf talks about how it's bad because if he comes over the top with a 3bet we have to fold, but the type of guy who minbets on that board is almost never gonna minbet and then make a normal sized 3 bet. It's time to start getting value out of the hand.

Posted almost 3 years ago

tdoomx

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Really enjoyed this, the playing style and excellent discussion, makes the game look easy, keep it up!

Posted almost 3 years ago

BennyMiles

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Excellent video! Great dual commentary, great discussions!

Posted almost 3 years ago

WeekendWarrior

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Great video, more of this please!!!

Few questions:

The 88 hand (6.06) theres a discussion about barreling the turn if you whould have called youre c/r. Shouddnt w barrel on almost any turn there ? give you had a clean image, he should fold all of his Jx and can only really continue w strong made hands like sets. toughts ?

The AT hand (42.20) you 3bet a tight btn opener, issnt this exacly the type of hand to NOT 3bet, b/c his calling range has you crushed right ? allot of better Ax hands, so if a A falls youre in a tricky spot OOP. So cant we just better 3bet T8s, 67s ??
I would like to hear how youre gonna continue if a A does fall on the flop ...

Posted almost 3 years ago

Trillos

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10-13 mins in.

I would never just call that bet with your TP no kicker. 100% raise in my book.
And theres no idea in talking about balance against such a donk.


Nice video tho.

Posted almost 3 years ago

decidedly

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At 3:58 you fold A7o on the Button 3 handed. Is this your standard?

Posted almost 3 years ago

mattiesmat

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I would defintely raise the flop with K5s as well. I wouldn't be worried about being check raised by a loose passive donkey at all, he rarely does it and when he does he has us crushed. Even though I agree we might not get 3 streets of value, we should let him make a mistake with his draws by raising. We can also still pot control on the turn/river.

Posted almost 3 years ago

surfdoc

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I would defintely raise the flop with K5s as well. I wouldn't be worried about being check raised by a loose passive donkey at all, he rarely does it and when he does he has us crushed. Even though I agree we might not get 3 streets of value, we should let him make a mistake with his draws by raising. We can also still pot control on the turn/river.



I just re-watched the hand in question and thought about it more. I think you guys are correct and that putting in a raise on the flop is slightly better. I don't think it really makes that much difference though and there are lots of good reasons to just call. I agree that we don't get 3 bet here very often by this type of player. At the time I made the initial commentary I was thinking the hand sample was too small but in reality I think we probably do have enough info to stereotype him and proceed accordingly

Posted almost 3 years ago

surfdoc

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At 3:58 you fold A7o on the Button 3 handed. Is this your standard?



No. Good pick up. I was involved in a few other pots and the game appears to have recently just gone short so that may have influenced me some. I don't love weak offsuit aces but in general would raise them on the button 3 handed even with LP fishy in the small blind and LAG/TAG in the BB with a 3 bet% of 11.

Posted almost 3 years ago

dangerfish

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Just finished watching the video, very well put together I think you did an excellent job explaining why you do what you do even if there are alternatives to the lines you chose. I think that it is imperative to ask yourself why you make each decision and then work on improving that process. Nicely done.

Posted over 2 years ago

surfdoc

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Great video, more of this please!!!

Few questions:

The 88 hand (6.06) theres a discussion about barreling the turn if you whould have called youre c/r. Shouddnt w barrel on almost any turn there ? give you had a clean image, he should fold all of his Jx and can only really continue w strong made hands like sets. toughts ?

The AT hand (42.20) you 3bet a tight btn opener, issnt this exacly the type of hand to NOT 3bet, b/c his calling range has you crushed right ? allot of better Ax hands, so if a A falls youre in a tricky spot OOP. So cant we just better 3bet T8s, 67s ??
I would like to hear how youre gonna continue if a A does fall on the flop ...



I think the 88 CR turn play is very tricky. If called by his player I think that shutting down often is fine. I think he ships in club draws so I like to barrel clubs and 8s or 5s. I don't think this player folds Jx often until the river and even then he may get stubborn especially if the draws miss. The play is primarily made to get him to fold immediately as even his air has decent equity against our hand and we will be stuck in a very bad spot on so many turn cards.

I agree with you on the AT hand but I hadn't seen this guy tested at all and I still do ok vs his button open. If he calls and an Ace falls I bet the flop and usually give up if called or raised vs this type of player.

Posted over 2 years ago

Frond

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Just like the first one, realy really well done. Sincerely hope there is going to be a lot more of these. This one is even better than the first

Well done kidz

Posted over 2 years ago



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