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Mentor: Joe Tall (#9) - Stud 8 with Sturutter Part 3

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Mentor: Joe Tall (#9) - Stud 8 with Sturutter Part 3 by Joe Tall

Joe Tall and DC member sturutter are at it again in this 30/60 Stud8 session review. Joe talks about the importance of recognizing the situation, high only hands, and pot control.

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  • Game: mixed
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  • 76 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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allstarrt

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Good vid but when I clicked on it thought it was stud hi not stud h/l fyi

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jjd323

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The whole series has been presented as Stud Hi, but has actually been Stud Hi/Lo. Not sure why.

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jjd323

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Time Link to 01:13:27

One of the reasons why there is such a jump in equity from KK to AA is actually because we now hold another two blockers to their low draws and runner-runner aces (or pair a buried A when they have a hand like A6|6).

You can see that the equity of a hand like KK|J is almost as high if there are two dead aces.

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Time Link to 00:44:42

Stud Hi/Lo Simulation What's this?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
6L| 7h Kh 6c 5s 54.39% 264,615 264,615 0 155,569 0
3d Kc Ks 8c Jd Qd 45.61% 211,972 335,385 0 0 0
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Stud Hi/Lo Simulation What's this?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
LL| 7h Kh 6c 5s 57.35% 226,136 226,136 0 334,406 0
3d Kc Ks 8c Jd Qd 42.65% 137,939 373,864 0 0 0

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Joe Tall

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The whole series has been presented as Stud Hi, but has actually been Stud Hi/Lo. Not sure why.



It's all been edited.

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skoldpadda

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Time Link to 01:06:38

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue58/Perils-High-Pairs-Stud-8.php

As shown in these simulations, playing high pairs in stud-hi-low is difficult to do profitably with an unimproved hand on 5th street. Even improved hands on 5th street may be marginal holdings because of a potential informational disadvantage, reverse implied odds, and opportunities to be freerolled by an opponent who has already made a low or has a better, well-disguised high hand.

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Time Link to 00:55:53

On 5th, the 235 board is always betting when checked to. As was mentioned, who cares about the other guy who has bricked twice. Check/call is completely standard.

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jjd323

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^^ spam alert ^^ (probably don't need a button for that, as it doesn't happen much)

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00:24:05 Isn't this a fold since a 8 completes from utg+1, and he's likely to have QQ+ or 88 in his hole? Because it's kinda unlikely him raising 3 lows with an 8 open from that position (especially with so many low cards out).

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Joe Tall

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00:24:05 Isn't this a fold since a 8 completes from utg+1, and he's likely to have QQ+ or 88 in his hole? Because it's kinda unlikely him raising 3 lows with an 8 open from that position (especially with so many low cards out).



Oh, you'd be surprised to how wide this xx|8 range is. I do say it's raise or fold, I really hate calling in this situation there are no merits to calling here.

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Joe Tall

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Time Link to 00:27:14

I also have to add that xx856 hit the 6 on 5th so he has to make a gut-shot to have us crushed and with all those cards dead to make such a straight, this is unlikely.

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Time Link to 00:05:39

I actually am going to disagree with myself after looking this over and analyzing it a bit more. 4th street is a raise as we nearly have 42% equity 3-ways no matter how you sim it.

ProPokerTools Stud Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: TSpade5Spade8Diamond9Diamond
7h2h|5h3s 41.21% (91,077 scoops, 122,843 wins hi, 1,333 ties hi, 356,189 wins lo, 1,638 ties lo)
66, 34, 35, 45, 58, KK-AA|6h7c 34.35% (86,869 scoops, 218,010 wins hi, 1,359 ties hi, 166,252 wins lo, 1,657 ties lo)
Q*|Qs6c 24.44% (30,387 scoops, 257,781 wins hi, 40 ties hi, 6,818 wins lo, 95 ties lo)

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Time Link to 00:15:22

If he has A2 A3 A4 in the hole we are not freerolling. I like the raise as if the Q is a competent player at all he really can't call 2 cold in this spot, but after the pot being built up on 4th I'm not sure if hes always folding. Something to definitely consider.

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