Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Sounded Simple (Micro/Small Stakes)

Not too many interessting hands, but some nice discussion.

You talked a bit about 3betting from the button. How does it effect your range and frequency if the initial raiser was a standard TAG regular who, from the Hijack or CO, isolated a fishy limper?

Not too many interessting hands, but some nice discussion.

You talked a bit about 3betting from the button. How does it effect your range and frequency if the initial raiser was a standard TAG regular who, from the Hijack or CO, isolated a fishy limper?

It depends quite a bit on the limper, tbh. For example, one of the reasons we can 3bet a hand like K9s or A8s IP vs a TAG-ish reg is because he's not going to be calling us OOP with better K's that he opened with, whereas a fish might well limp and then call our 3bet with something that dominates us.

If the reg is iso-ing the fish because the fish limp/folds a lot pre, then I think we can stick to 3bet-bluffing with our value-jank (stuff that's just outside our calling range, but still has some value). If he's iso-ing because the fish limp-calls a lot pre, I'm cutting down on my 3b-bluffs and widening my value range (vs the fish). It probably won't look too different in terms of actual 3bet frequency, but the ranges will be pretty different.

+1 to Rapids points there.

Keep in mind that with high implied odds hands it's doubly good to flat (pp, SCs etc.) because having a fish in the pot increases your implied odds.

It can also help your steal equity somewhat, multiway pots play more honest so you can use position to get good information.

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I really don't like this flat to keep "dominated" hands in. first, they are not in his range mostly and if any its only AQ, probably AQs. thats like 3 combos. Whenever we miss the flop we auto lose the pot.

this is a clear 3 bet and then we can value own on many boards that he decides to call one bet with his JJ or QQ that he flatted preflop as we get to see all 5 cards usually. etc. etc. etc. and when he misses he folds AK. he is nitty he folds JJ,QQ,AK preflop.

I really don't like this flat to keep "dominated" hands in. first, they are not in his range mostly and if any its only AQ, probably AQs. thats like 3 combos. Whenever we miss the flop we auto lose the pot.

this is a clear 3 bet and then we can value own on many boards that he decides to call one bet with his JJ or QQ that he flatted preflop as we get to see all 5 cards usually. etc. etc. etc. and when he misses he folds AK. he is nitty he folds JJ,QQ,AK preflop.

Time stamp should be to roughly 9:45 in the video, if I'm not mistaken.

Although villain's PFR is tight, the hand sample is small. I think that the likelihood of him having dominated A's in his preflop raising range is MUCH higher than that of him having them in his range for calling a 3bet OOP...especially since he opened in EP.

If we miss, it's only an automatic loss if we're planning to fold 100% of the time we do miss. The fact is that if his range preflop is AQ+/JJ+, we have enough equity on most flops to call. (even on Q52 rb, we have 25% equity). To boot, we usually stand to win an extra bet from AK/AQ (that we wouldn't have gotten preflop had we 3bet) when we float or bluff-raise with equity on boards that are unlikely to hit his range, but can definitely hit ours. (another benefit to flatting is that we get to play the top of our range, as opposed to the bottom of it)

I'm not discounting the advantages of narrowing the field and manipulating the SPR to better fit our hand, or even the thin bluff value we have vs the lower end of his opening range (assuming he folds the smaller PPs), but unless we know how he's going to play hands like JJ/QQ postflop, (i.e., we know he'll flat only those pre (never KK+), call one bet, and fold to further pressure, and as such, we can profitably push him off postflop a majority of the time) that flatting is going to carry more value in the long run.

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AKo

vs 21/5

Surely the key statistic is that you only have 30 something hands on him.

So the only real conclusion you can make on the sample size - is that he is looseish and very passive. I think it is unlikely that he is positionally aware so his opening which might be strong is not really effected by his table position.

If those above points are true.

Then surely there is more value in capitalising on our hand strength vs his range now, isolate with intiative and achieve more often than not what we want.
HU vs the fish IP with intiative and the top of our range.

If he does open with dominated hands to begin with I dont expect him to fold any of them to a 3-bet that often.

Now of course you can argue the benefits of retaining the two very loose fish in the blinds vs the diminished value of AK in a multiway pot - but clearly we have to account for the 18/12 regular on the btn who will continue with a wider range now and of those times we will be in a poor relative position.

The AK hand I want to stress two things.
Firstly it's close, the points you guys raise are valid, taking some initiative will force him off the best hand or a split sometimes.

Secondly, it's not a situation I'm going to worry about too much. AK in mid position vs a tight range just doesn't get me too excited.

AKo

vs 21/5

Surely the key statistic is that you only have 30 something hands on him.

So the only real conclusion you can make on the sample size - is that he is looseish and very passive. I think it is unlikely that he is positionally aware so his opening which might be strong is not really effected by his table position.

I agree, the most likely range you see here is 88+, AQ+.

If those above points are true.

Then surely there is more value in capitalising on our hand strength vs his range now, isolate with intiative and achieve more often than not what we want.
HU vs the fish IP with intiative and the top of our range.

If by value you mean making him fold 88 or AK on Txx or Qxx then yes this situation is more profitable.
However since we are assuming that he flats AK to a 3-bet then on Kxx and Axx we commit to play for stacks, which may not always be good for us.

Furthermore if he flats QQ+ with the intention of CRing his overpairs that takes the edge off our 3-bet plan.

If he does open with dominated hands to begin with I dont expect him to fold any of them to a 3-bet that often.

This will vary from player to player. I think it's quite optimistic to be in really good shape against his continue range

Now of course you can argue the benefits of retaining the two very loose fish in the blinds vs the diminished value of AK in a multiway pot - but clearly we have to account for the 18/12 regular on the btn who will continue with a wider range now and of those times we will be in a poor relative position.

If there was anything to swing the times it's close then this is it. Assuming the reg is good letting him in is bad, if he plays fit/fold then bring on the dead money.


Ideally I'd like to have more reads on the guy, loose passives are really easy to play postflop so don't assume that if you flat and miss the gig is up. His checking range is probably going to be super weak so he hands you the pot, if he cbets too much you can maybe apply some pressure (though thats marginal given his range).

Pad
- I do know the screenname of BTN which is why I knew it was a regular - but I won't comment specifically on his tendencies but....
As a general rule won't we create more dead money from the Loose/passives EP opening range IP in a 3bet pot vs the regulars BTN flatcalling range in poor relative position in a single raised multiway pot.
In the multiway pot AK equity advantage is now getting spliced by two players. One of which is tendency is more likely to be to call too much + a potential button who can float alot and play more perfectly against us IP with his marginal equity hands.

I def concede the point on the reg, I don't really have a much of a counter argument there other than that it I'm going to be quite happy on a Kxx or Axx against him.
Of course it's dependant on dynamic and how he plays but let's assume he is good. Good players put pressure on when in position , if we can have strong Ax and Kx hands here we can bluff catch well.
Still doesn't make it good to be OOP to someone good but nothing does.

The point about dead money I'm not so sure on, sure there's dead money but 50% of it is put in by us and while I'd say we take it down a lot more with initiative I think it's marginal and may not make up for the times we get sucked into the TPTK vortex postflop and end up in bad shape.

Funnily enough you do get a certain type of reg with ~3-6% pfr who still fold 80% to 3-bets. You can 3-bet them all day, but use an upside down range (i.e. 100% trash and flat premiums and implied odds).

So we just have no 3-betting range in this spot?
Seems that we shear our 3-betting range pretty narrowly here if we are not 3-betting AK for value.

Solid vid. Keep up the good work!

So we just have no 3-betting range in this spot?
Seems that we shear our 3-betting range pretty narrowly here if we are not 3-betting AK for value.

I don't see the problem not having a 3-bet range in some spots.
Having a ridic narrow and face up range is also OK if we figure the opponent never realises.