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Mentor: WiltOnTilt Coaches Saibot Part 3

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Mentor: WiltOnTilt Coaches Saibot Part 3 by WiltOnTilt

WiltOnTilt reviews a 4-tabling session from DeucesCracked coach Saibot.

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  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 45 minutes long
  • Posted 9 months ago

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Piedy

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Time Link to 00:05:34

@ Saibot

BTM right:
why did you change your sizing from 15 to 14 in this spot? Because you 3-Bet foldet w/ 96o (Size $15) before and want to level him a little bit ?

Posted 9 months ago

Syzzzurp

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Time Link to 00:04:56

why do you always bet 97 on J9X versus a fish for value? when you say fish i assume you mean loose passive who never CRs light and will call with worse a bunch, does this make the hand easier to play vs a loose passive in your opinion? would his lead turn frequency (when flop chks) be something you would consider in this spot?

Posted 9 months ago

walth

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Time Link to 00:14:57

I am the villain.

I disagree a lot with what you are saying about how I played the turn w KK here. Or well, I disagree against a presumed semi-nit (obv no offense Tobias). From my POV, I asume Tobias to be playing very tight given that the only info I have on him is that he is a HU SnG player mainly.

On a J93tt flop, I don't think Tobias has that many A high hands (if any?), maybe except for AxHeart perhaps (he might even C/R that). I also don't think he'd c/c pocket pairs on this board. Hence, when he check/calls this board, his range is mainly Jx and 9x, and I doubt I'll be getting 3 streets from a random J that often given how many "bad" rivers there are. Therefore I think it is superior to check back, rep a weak range and make it tough for him to float the flop vs me in similar spots in the future etc. I guess you could argue for pot control as well, even though that's a bit of a tabu these days I guess.

In terms of balance, I doubt I'd bluff this turn all that often, thus I think it's cool to have some hands that can actually beat some of his "easy VB hands" (ie. Jx) on the river. In that sense, I guess you could argue that KK is a bet and AJ/KJ is a better check back given blockers, but I still feel like that my check is correct here, esp after watching the video - I think Tobias made quite a few tight folds in terms of where he was at in his range (can't mention any specific hands off the top of my head, it's been a few hrs since I saw the video).

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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why do you always bet 97 on J9X versus a fish for value? when you say fish i assume you mean loose passive who never CRs light and will call with worse a bunch, does this make the hand easier to play vs a loose passive in your opinion? would his lead turn frequency (when flop chks) be something you would consider in this spot?



ya just the value vs worse hands and protection from over cards is worth it to me to bet hands of that strength instead of checking. obvioulsy if his bet vs missed cbet is like 80 or something, then checking is probably best.

Posted 9 months ago

MM747

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Time Link to 00:09:26

Hey guys,

Two questions:

On table two with the 8AT79 board.

Hero is holding 78 and considers the c/r but ends up c/f.

You suggest the c/r on the river which I understand. However, for me, after I c/r in similar spots I find that I'm getting shoved on more often than I'm getting folded too in this spot.

So my question is how often/when can you profitably start calling a shove in this spot? I just feel like I'm losing way to much value here...and yet I feel like there are too many flushes in his range that I shouldn't make this call.

Second question:

On table three during the same time Board is Jh9d3h9x

Hero is holding Ah9h

Hero c/c the flop and then checks the turn when the 9x hits hoping for c/r and finally leads riv. My question is, on the flop...is it a superior line to c/r the flop, esp if hero has a high cbet%, hoping to either take the pot down right there or even build the pot to set up a multi street bluff or value hand? It just feels like we are losing so much value by just calling the flop and then missing the lead on the turn if villain does have a Jx, Tx, possible T8, KhQh or some other heart combo.

Oh yeah same hand, sorry, why was the bet sizing so small on the river bet? 7 into 20?

Cheers.

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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Hey guys,

Two questions:

On table two with the 8AT79 board.

Hero is holding 78 and considers the c/r but ends up c/f.

You suggest the c/r on the river which I understand. However, for me, after I c/r in similar spots I find that I'm getting shoved on more often than I'm getting folded too in this spot.

So my question is how often/when can you profitably start calling a shove in this spot? I just feel like I'm losing way to much value here...and yet I feel like there are too many flushes in his range that I shouldn't make this call.

Second question:

On table three during the same time Board is Jh9d3h9x

Hero is holding Ah9h

Hero c/c the flop and then checks the turn when the 9x hits hoping for c/r and finally leads riv. My question is, on the flop...is it a superior line to c/r the flop, esp if hero has a high cbet%, hoping to either take the pot down right there or even build the pot to set up a multi street bluff or value hand? It just feels like we are losing so much value by just calling the flop and then missing the lead on the turn if villain does have a Jx, Tx, possible T8, KhQh or some other heart combo.

Oh yeah same hand, sorry, why was the bet sizing so small on the river bet? 7 into 20?

Cheers.




On hand 1, we aren't trying to get him off a flush, we're just trying to get him off Jx and 2pair. in your situations where you are getting shoved on, did they check behind the flop like in this scenario? For me, usually just some tough regs who want to try to be a little more balanced in spots like these mix in some flop check behinds with flush draws, but I feel like most players are just sort of auto cbetting those hands not really thinking much about it the vast majority of the time (and in truth, even the guys who wanna be balanced are MOSTLY cbetting those flush draws)...so maybe you just ran bad in this spot or picked the wrong opponent? I'm not sure

On hand 2, it's a little weird to c/r the flop with a hand of this strength because it's a bit unclear as to whether or not we are c/r for value or for bluff and if it's for bluff I think our hand is too good to bluff with and it's unclear if we can get him off Jx by the river (if a heart hits maybe we can...haha). A9 is going to be the best hand, works nice as a strong bluff and value bet catcher, but it's unclear how many streets of value we can get by playing it for a c/r. I kind of like having some hands of this strength in my c/c range, especially with the flush draw. I do like leading the turn when the 9 hits, however you also need to make sure you take some gutshots or other weak draws to lead these turns too for balance. How you approach this turn lead or turn check depends a lot on how thinly your opponent is willing to barrel for value and how often he barrel bluffs these types of turns. As for the river bet, the T does hit our range a lot and its hard for us to be bluffing, yet still i'd prefer a more normal size

Posted 9 months ago

majstereo

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yoyo

30:23 : UL is peeling this flop vs 10% 3bet optimal ? plan for calling flop and jam good card for us is good against over 20% 3bettor because his bluffing range is much wider = we have more feq
the only read we have = he 3bets AJs and check @ A55 so without knowing how often is he going to give up (by XF or BF) is a bit gambling play (??)

Posted 9 months ago

majstereo

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34:45 79 @ 8KA J = are U going to bet river 7 or 9 as a bluff in order to force villain to fold Kx QJ JT ?

what kind of river do U like to bluff here?

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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yoyo

30:23 : UL is peeling this flop vs 10% 3bet optimal ? plan for calling flop and jam good card for us is good against over 20% 3bettor because his bluffing range is much wider = we have more feq
the only read we have = he 3bets AJs and check @ A55 so without knowing how often is he going to give up (by XF or BF) is a bit gambling play (??)



yea folding is prob better

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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34:45 79 @ 8KA J = are U going to bet river 7 or 9 as a bluff in order to force villain to fold Kx QJ JT ?

what kind of river do U like to bluff here?



Vs reasonable players I would bet most rivers here as a bluff, including blanks, but not A or K or J. We can have a pretty wide value range here and our opponent is somewhat capped (in general). With this opponent's 3bet %, he can have some more strong bluff/value catchers, which makes it not quite as good to 3 barrel but there are still a whole lot of hands in his c/c c/c chk range that are not happy about facing a bet

Posted 9 months ago

B-rye88

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Time Link to 00:28:27

are you betting turn planning on firing a whole bunch of rivers?

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WiltOnTilt

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are you betting turn planning on firing a whole bunch of rivers?



It depends on what we think he folds on the turn and river. So if the turn bet is mostly to get him off mid pp, gutshots, etc, then we would just bet turn and shut down on river.

If we think he calls some of those hands on the turn and might fold some Jx on the river, then bet both

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