grandmofftarkin
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This was the villain that didn't raise 78 two pair on the previous hand when I donked the river. I realized when I clicked the call button on the turn I was probably never good, and wasn't getting the right price to improve. I agree given the size of the pot I like a fold here.
In a second my mouse freaks out because I realized I lit that "turn call" dollar on fire, that if I called the river I was never good, although I should call the river the way I played the hand.
Oh and TY you again for the review. It's very much appreciated.
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I enjoyed this note taking advice on interpreting raw hand histories into predicting player tendencies. I'll work on it.
As a side note, PT4 auto-takes notes and that's what you see on the bottom part of the note thing. It took me a while to figure out how to turn this feature off.
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DeathDonkey
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You're about to give some advice for a flop donk. Did you catch CO iso'd the UTG open limper here? You still donk?
Yes, people don't c-bet here as much as they used to, especially 3+ ways to the flop, your hand isn't perfect (T9 would be perfect I think, then you'd have a gutshot at least) but as the BB you have more power on those flop textures than you might think. Obviously you also want to bet your pairs there if they don't c-bet 100% so its not at all hard to balance.
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BigBadBabar
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DeathDonkey
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k2o we checkraising anything on this river? i can't decide with parts of our range like say aj, ak, 5x, if they all would merit a b/3b. lag probably raises all flushes on turn, right?
yes he raises all flushes on turn, I like CRing this river with a lot of hands, I think I'd bet it very rarely actually since he has good reason to bet it pretty often and I see him raising pretty infrequently (obv him having AK here is one of the rare times he can raise it)
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DeathDonkey
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pot is quite large here, i think we need to grit our teeth and raise turn. a decent portion of their ranges are going to be things like AT, flush draws, JJ, etc
Yeah I mean I definitely waffled between the options both in the hand and in the video, I guess optimism should have won out
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DosXX
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*Grunch*
I have been leaning towards c/c c/r turn in the first hand, mostly because live players are so flop c/r heavy (it's like they can't call) and intuitively I think most people termed "good lag" will be betting the turn far more aggressively against my actual range and I want to exploit that.
In the second hand I think you should probably fold the river. You really only beat something like a pure bluff from the laggy donker and then JJ from the tighter player. The problem in this scenario is that the laggy players line isn't really a bluff. You just don't see players "balancing" their river donk line in this spot by donking into two people with air.
You do run the risk of, and you mention this in the video, the laggy player donking AT because he is calling anyway and the other player having JJ. I just don't see it that often on the flush completing river card - it's just way too much of a game changer. If an offsuit nine comes in and the action is the same on the river, I probably call.
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Definitely don't like 3-betting the flop. UTG to fold any decent piece here. He's going to be getting something like 19.5:2 (I think?) so if you're raising, it should be on the turn.
Personally, I like a turn raise here. You can fold to a 3-bet usually and you get protection vs KQ and KJ, which are a huge % of UTG's range here, and in big pots I usually aim for optimism rather than pessimism. I definitely understand your reasoning but if your read is even slightly wrong, it's much more disastrous to call vs. a wider range than it is to raise vs. a slightly tighter range, given the presence of UTG.
Getting the price you were on the river, I probably call too, but it's obviously close, fur coats and all.
Rob
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DeathDonkey
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How would you play a hand like Q
9
here? What about K5? Check-raise? Bet? Check-fold?
Just curious how your distribution looks once you check the river, and what he should really be doing with Ax, and of course, what he'd do with it once he bets it. It seems like this impacts what you should be doing with your river check-calling range.
Q9 I like check/fold best, K5 I like CR, I am kinda infatuated with checking this river card I suppose, I don't see a lot of hands that make sense to bet, I feel like his range either will bet himself or can not call me.
For your other question 4 bet cap yeah
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