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Mentor: WiltOnTilt Coaches Saibot

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Mentor: WiltOnTilt Coaches Saibot by WiltOnTilt

WiltOnTilt reviews a 4-tabling HUNL session with DC coach and HUSNG player Saibot.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 59 minutes long
  • Posted 10 months ago

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Piedy

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Time Link to 00:37:40

What dou you expect him to checkback on this flop?
A-High only? (maybe a few sets? unlikily)

Posted 10 months ago

Piedy

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Time Link to 00:51:09

One question out of zazanos shoes:

When he decided to float here w/ KQ,KJ,KT. is this a good spot to shove against a thinking player?

Posted 10 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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What dou you expect him to checkback on this flop?
A-High only? (maybe a few sets? unlikily)



Do you mean hero on T86ss ? I expect a check behind range to be total give ups, Ax, weak mid pairs, bottom pairs, things like that. We should be careful about cbetting too many low equity hands on this board texture since it's so easy for villain to semibluff checkraise us here.

Posted 10 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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One question out of zazanos shoes:

When he decided to float here w/ KQ,KJ,KT. is this a good spot to shove against a thinking player?



on the turn you mean? like when he floats flop and hits top pair on the turn, he could shove that hand to try to level us into a call, but I think the better play is probably just to slowplay and let us thin value bet worse and 3 barrel bluff.

you are right though, having some more value hands in his turn shoving range would be good to get more balanced here, but the reason most people are unbalanced in their turn shoving range in this spot is because the 3bettor is 2 or 3 barreling this board texture with a very high frequency

Posted 10 months ago

Saibot

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Obv. very interesting for me to watch again. If anybody got any questions for me / would like me to elaborate on my thougt process during the hands I will be happy to reply here in the video thread as well

Posted 10 months ago

MM747

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Time Link to 00:30:02

Hey guys,

On this 4989 board you talked about leading the turn and calling a raise but said you would check fold to a shove on the river.

If villain does have a strong 9 here wouldn't he flat most of the time IP. I just take his raise as one to protect his draws or possibly take you off a draw or an 8?

So where I got confused is on the check fold to shove if the river bricks off. Most of the time I would think to lead the river and call a shove if the river bricks off.

Am I totally lost here?

Cheers.

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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Hey guys,

On this 4989 board you talked about leading the turn and calling a raise but said you would check fold to a shove on the river.

If villain does have a strong 9 here wouldn't he flat most of the time IP. I just take his raise as one to protect his draws or possibly take you off a draw or an 8?

So where I got confused is on the check fold to shove if the river bricks off. Most of the time I would think to lead the river and call a shove if the river bricks off.

Am I totally lost here?

Cheers.



I don't think we can be super confident that a guy will only flat with his strong 9x on the turn. Sure some might, and if he thinks we're balanced here it might be the best play, but IMO many will just fastplay and try to get all the money in against a worse hand, but even if that's wrong and most of the time he is flatting his big 9s, and this time he raises us and we call the turn, it looks very much like we can have trips too, so then we have to ask ourselves how often is he re-bluffing AND willing to try to get us off hands in a range that can contain many trips, because if he raised the turn with a hand to protect against draws and everything bricks and our range is mostly busted draws and 9x, then he doesn't have much of a reason to bet with hands in between that on the river. If villain knows you would take that line with a lot of hands in between those (like 8x or 77 or something like that) then ya we can't fold 9x as easily to a river ship...but for me, the default assumption is that people are checking those in between hands on the turn and the lead range is mostly some type of weak draw he can't c/c or c/r or 9x.

Posted 9 months ago

D3rJack

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Time Link to 00:11:41

Oh, Mr. zaza is on TVSmile

on topic:
Tat is the thing with thin val.betting here - don`t you think that the chances are decently high that a solid player will turn here some SD (like AdXy) into a bluff vs an other solid player who is perceived to val.bet here pretty thin?
With this said, I am not sure bout the fold and would try to protect myself here by calling/folding somewhat balances.
This means I am not folding TP+, but TT-JJ, 9x and lowered (77-88)

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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Oh, Mr. zaza is on TVSmile

on topic:
Tat is the thing with thin val.betting here - don`t you think that the chances are decently high that a solid player will turn here some SD (like AdXy) into a bluff vs an other solid player who is perceived to val.bet here pretty thin?
With this said, I am not sure bout the fold and would try to protect myself here by calling/folding somewhat balances.
This means I am not folding TP+, but TT-JJ, 9x and lowered (77-88)



yea against some random guy, probably folding is fine. vs an expert, probably cannot be folding these types of hands

Posted 9 months ago

majstereo

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3:36 = is not better to turn this 8 into a bluff? because majority of his range is Ax + 9x (some random XC floats) + our plan for river is damn good. We have 2x 8 + 1xT (for checkback) as our outs + diamonds, Q and J as our bluff outs = tons of cards to play good and aggro on the river?

38:23 J7 BL table: lets say we bet call this J7. What is Your plan on bricky turn like this Ax ?

against what type of villan U are going to jam brick turn or some bit more scary turn card ?

AK on UL

38:36 what is the plan if card like 8 9 T J rolls off ? checkback and snapoff a bluff on non-spade river?

is there a scenario when U are gong to turn this AK into a bluff ?

Posted 9 months ago

WiltOnTilt

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3:36 = is not better to turn this 8 into a bluff? because majority of his range is Ax + 9x (some random XC floats) + our plan for river is damn good. We have 2x 8 + 1xT (for checkback) as our outs + diamonds, Q and J as our bluff outs = tons of cards to play good and aggro on the river?



Yea agree


38:23 J7 BL table: lets say we bet call this J7. What is Your plan on bricky turn like this Ax ?

against what type of villan U are going to jam brick turn or some bit more scary turn card ?



I think you can raise the turn here on this type of card as a rebluff however we also have pretty poor equity ourselves and we could be in situations where we have the worst hand and the worst draw. It really just depends on how aggro they are with their gutters on these types of boards, assuming we can put all/most of them in his flop c/r range then float to raise turn could be ok, but it might be a lot easier to play by just reraising the flop and using a hand like this would be pretty good for that since we have some equity but it's not like we're hating life if we get blown off the pot by 3betting and he shoves.


AK on UL

38:36 what is the plan if card like 8 9 T J rolls off ? checkback and snapoff a bluff on non-spade river?

is there a scenario when U are gong to turn this AK into a bluff ?



i like a turn bet for value given that we didn't value bet the flop. Once we check the turn, whether or not we bluff catch any river really depends on how tricky our opponent is. I mean we should expect most opponents to bet most of their air on the turn, which means it will be hard for him to be bluffing on any river unless he somehow gives up turn and then springs to life on the river...which happens more when playing fish...so when a smart reg does this, it somewhat turns into a level game and i'd just call sometimes and fold sometimes. Perhaps more willing to call on river spades in that scenario.

Posted 9 months ago

majstereo

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with this AK I mean

we cbet flop turn is 7 8 9 T J

and turning hand into a bluff is also after flop cbet

Posted 9 months ago



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