Pinko Panther
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I think you mis-read the action. Villain x'd flop and delay cbet turn when he picked up the open ender.
Also, since he x'd 5 high on J86tt, we can assume that he's often not bluffing in spots where he has little to no showdown value. Would that be a correct assumption regarding our construction of what his cbetting range looks like?
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WiltOnTilt
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I think you mis-read the action. Villain x'd flop and delay cbet turn when he picked up the open ender.
Also, since he x'd 5 high on J86tt, we can assume that he's often not bluffing in spots where he has little to no showdown value. Would that be a correct assumption regarding our construction of what his cbetting range looks like?
oops, you're right i did misread the action. I think the assumption to take here is that he's willing to give up on coordinated flops with even a little equity.
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WiltOnTilt
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pumpui
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WiltOnTilt
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how about raising river vs that betsize? we can rep flush, he should fold 2 pairs, and maybe a ten?
Interesting idea, could definitely try it but it would depend on a few things. I made the comment that he could/should be willing to lead 2pair here as well as Tx and bluffs including 9x. What I didn't say is that he should likely also be willing to lead this turn with bad flush draws that he didn't want to c/r the flop with, like 78cc or similar. There aren't tons of those combos though.
Also just because I think he could/should lead 2pair here as part of a balanced strategy (if he cares about balancing here), it doesn't mean that he does. He might just be Tx or bluffs and his bluffs could be mostly composed of flush draws if he's not turning pairs into bluffs...so in order to bluff raise the river, we have to make some deep assumptions about what he does with different parts of his range.
So in summary listening back to the tape, I definitely overstated the amount of credit that I'm giving the villain here (ex. leading 2pair, many people will not do this, I should not have said this) and instead I projected too much about what I might do onto what villain could have here. I'm not sure we can give a guy credit at this part of the match for being willing to play this situation like I would. If you're playing against me, bluff raise river might be nice 
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Hi Wilt, the A-9 hand where vil 3 bets, you mention 4 betting is an option, wud hero be 4bet folding or 4bet calling if vil jams?
i know ive seen aggro regs ship over the first 4bet with alot worse than A-9, i know there's no dynamic started as its the first hand, but its still the first 4bet.
just a spot that intersts me /i struggle with at times with regard as how light hero can stack off.
Cheers
Steve
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goose669
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the AA hand, if you got to the river here would you ever consider raising or just jamming over villains river bet? with the thinking he probs doesnt have a tons of flushes here due to him c/c flop and lead turn? and we can kinda have clubs the way the hand played out?
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WiltOnTilt
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Hi Wilt, the A-9 hand where vil 3 bets, you mention 4 betting is an option, wud hero be 4bet folding or 4bet calling if vil jams?
i know ive seen aggro regs ship over the first 4bet with alot worse than A-9, i know there's no dynamic started as its the first hand, but its still the first 4bet.
just a spot that intersts me /i struggle with at times with regard as how light hero can stack off.
Cheers
Steve
with no dynamic built up (ie... first hand only) probably 4bet folding. If there's any reason to think he can ship on you light here then 4bet call...but mostly fold. After a few 3bets where we've folded, then 4bet call
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WiltOnTilt
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ahh i see the AA river jam has been asked and answerd, kewl.
i liked the theory discussed in the vid defo, for me its this is very helpfull, wouldnt complain about the practical/showdown type discussions either, its all good !
Thanks a bunch!
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goose669
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with no dynamic built up (ie... first hand only) probably 4bet folding. If there's any reason to think he can ship on you light here then 4bet call...but mostly fold. After a few 3bets where we've folded, then 4bet call
nice one cheers Wilt
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