Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Mentor: Sthief09 (#3) - 50NL 6max

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Mentor: Sthief09 (#3) - 50NL 6max by sthief09

Sthief09 and American member, Justin, review 11 hands Justin has marked for review over the past few months.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 67 minutes long
  • Posted 17 days ago

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Comments for Mentor: Sthief09 (#3) - 50NL 6max

SavingForBenz

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Super video. Really beneficial. gotta watch again ^^

Posted 5 months ago

zachd2323

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Time Link to 00:01:42

What do you think about raising the BTN to 3x here since there's a 67 VPIP player in the BB?

Posted 5 months ago

mitch

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Time Link to 00:03:17

Considering we don't get to realize our equity on potentially 60%+ of the turns could it just be better to get it in on the flop?

Worst case: we're 44% vs QQ+, AQs... I think things can only improve from there eg. expanding SBs range to AQo or a few AK combos, the fish coming a long and getting it in 3way, etc. Even the somewhat rare scenario of SB having AK, fish folding JT and us taking down a 40bb pot uncontested. Basically it just sucks to me that we're essentially flipping vs the strongest range in a mid-low SPR pot and we're playing our hand in a way that is folding our still decent equity on majority of turns in a now bloated pot.

Posted 5 months ago

sthief09

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Super video. Really beneficial. gotta watch again ^^




thank you!

Posted 5 months ago

sthief09

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What do you think about raising the BTN to 3x here since there's a 67 VPIP player in the BB?




this is something I try to do as well. raising bigger helps to isolate him and is increases the pot size a tad so we can get a larger % of stacks in via bet-bet-bet.

Posted 5 months ago

sthief09

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Considering we don't get to realize our equity on potentially 60%+ of the turns could it just be better to get it in on the flop?

Worst case: we're 44% vs QQ+, AQs... I think things can only improve from there eg. expanding SBs range to AQo or a few AK combos, the fish coming a long and getting it in 3way, etc. Even the somewhat rare scenario of SB having AK, fish folding JT and us taking down a 40bb pot uncontested. Basically it just sucks to me that we're essentially flipping vs the strongest range in a mid-low SPR pot and we're playing our hand in a way that is folding our still decent equity on majority of turns in a now bloated pot.



I think a lot of people, maybe even the majority of people, would raise there. You are clearly not alone in your thoughts. I feel very confident that this is a call against these specific villains, however.

Think about the logic in raising:

Option A: get all the money in on the flop
Option B: get all the money in when the turn is good, and little money in when the turn is bad.

If you isolate out the difference between Option A and Option B, you're basically left with Option A effectively getting in a lot of money when the turn is bad. When the turn is good, the results are the same: stacks go in. The difference lies when the turn is bad. Putting it that way, if I told you the turn was the 8h and you had a choice between putting in $2.81 and not seeing the river or $25 and seeing the river you'd take the smaller amount.

Also keep in mind that we are not always folding the turn. If the SB checks, or if the SB bets and the BB calls, or if the SB bets smaller than he actually did, then we have a profitable call.

There are definitely some side benefits to raising. Like you said, even if there's a small chance of taking down 40bb without a fight, that's huge. If the BB has Qx or a worse draw and is willing to get stacks in 3-way that would be a positive. I don't think these are likely enough to make raising better than calling.

Both plays are highly +EV. The majority of the time we'd raise with this hand on this flop. In this particular situation, the fundamentally sound play is to take your implied odds against two loose opponents, one of whom has a very strong range. With excellent relative and absolute position and great pot odds, I like the finesse play here.

Posted 5 months ago

pumpui

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Time Link to 00:27:12

if u get checkraised allin on the river its a really tough spot imo, cause i would think he leads the turns with all his 2pair, sets and flushes, but then again its really rare someone takes this line as a bluff, maybe he overplays trips? dunno what to do Smile

Posted 5 months ago

kerwinty

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Great vid Sthief, imagine this was on merge as I recognize some of the villains. Good to see new mentor vids coming out.

Posted 5 months ago

UknowMe

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Time Link to 00:11:16

If we call what do we if he pushes the turn? call hoping he is continuing his bluffes?
a) a Club hits
b) a J-K hits
c) a blank hits

Posted 5 months ago

sthief09

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If we call what do we if he pushes the turn? call hoping he is continuing his bluffes?
a) a Club hits
b) a J-K hits
c) a blank hits




I don't think I'm folding a single turn card. even the cards that seem bad might give him a draw that he can push. for example, the worst card is probably the Kc and if he has AJ with a club, he's definitely going to push.

Posted 4 months ago

lblnsfinest

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Time Link to 00:54:26

I think we should check back our set here almost always. The reg is flatting to keep the fish in so that indicates a very strong hand. And like you said we can always make a small valuebet on a good rivercard or fold on a bad one and save some money right?

Posted 3 months ago

soleztis

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Time Link to 00:05:39

Josh,

Any problems with bet size here? I generally like a bigger bet in this spot. Even when he is playing back at us a lot, that just means he is going to be putting in even more money bad.

Posted 3 months ago

soleztis

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Time Link to 00:37:13

Josh,

I think you were about to make a really great point about what he puts us on on the flop and were kinda talked out of it. I'm pretty sure you were getting to the point that we're often going to have very few 7s, 88-TT, Jx, 9T, and FDs a lot. Turn and river complete so many of our draws as well as some two pair hands, so when he raises river it's a monster.

I think this is a really good example of discerning the difference between what we know our range is and what our opponents think our range is.

Posted 3 months ago

Papppika

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This is my first post sorry if i make any mistake ...
I not really unederstand the party from button with A10 o at the 11 th minute of the video...
Why we are just not calling??? There is not worst hand than ours which can call us.
If we anyway want to put all our money on the pot i believe is better choice on the turn ..
So how i am thinking if he has an over pair he beat us and for us is doesn t metter in which street .
If he has a flush draw he won t fold but also not check the turn he push at any river...
if he has nothing he gives up at turn and fold on our flop push.
And the extra option he bluff the turn ..so because of this option is better the call in my opinion..
Please correct me ..or what do you think about it?

Posted 3 months ago



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